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Am I the Only One, Who Thinks That Mormonism is As Strange As Hinduism?

Posted on 01/28/2012 9:20:46 AM PST by pinochet

Almost all Christian denominations can be traced to 3 main traditions - the Catholic, the Protestant, and the Eastern Orthodox traditions. All three traditions are based on the Bible. Mormonism is a religion that has a heritage that is very different from traditional Christianity, and is based on the Book of Mormon.

The theological differences that separate a Baptist from a Catholic, are not the same as those which separate a Baptist from a Mormon, or a Catholic from a Mormon. In a dispute between a Baptist and a Catholic, they will argue over whether Church tradition prevails over scripture on some issues, and on whether salvation is by faith alone, or a combination of faith and works. The main argument will focus on how they interpret the Bibilical verse, James 2:17, which notes "Faith without works is dead".

But Mormonism doctrines involve stuff that is completely incomprehensible to Christians. It is not just the fact that Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith was a polygamist, like the Muslim Prophet Muhammad. I will grant you that Joseph Smith was not as violent as Muhammad. But Mormons have this crazy doctrine that Jesus visited America, and that some Native Americans are the lost tribes of Israel.

They also have secret ceremonies in Mormon temples, in which they perform wierd rituals and ceremonies, such as one creepy ritual called "naked touching". Non-mormons are never allowed to attend those secret Mormon ceremonies, and only a minority of Mormons - those in good standing with the church, are allowed to witness the strange ceremonies. One is also required to wear special undergarments as part of the faith. Here is a description on "naked touching" by ex-Mormons: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon366.htm

Many of us have met individual Mormons, and admired them and their families. They are a model religious minority like Hindus from India. Hindu immigrants in America are hard working, law-abiding, and their children do well in school. But we cannot get over the fact that Hinduism is a really strange religion with multiple gods and goddesses, and strange cultural practises such as viewing cows as holy animals. Some Hindu gods like Shiva, Hanuman, Ganesha, and Kali, are really weird creatures. I have always viewed Mormons as a nice pro-family people, but with a religion as strange as Hinduism.


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Many conservatives love to laugh at black American radicals who celebate Kwanzaa, by pointing out that the founder of the holiday, Maulana Karenga, was a convicted criminal who loved to abuse women. About 170 years ago, mainstream American Christians used to mock Joseph Smith in the same way.

Joseph Smith's career was just as colorful as that of Karenga. Smith began his career as a magician and fortune teller, and he claimed he could tell the future by staring at a Crystal Ball. In 1826, he was tried and convicted of fraud. The success of his Mormon religion, makes him the most successful conman in American history. I wonder whether, 100 years from today - will Maulana Karenga be honored and respected as a founder of a major world religion?

If Prophet Muhammad could do it, and if Joseph Smith could do it, then why can't Maulana Karenga? If, in the future, Karenga's supporters become a majority in one state, and are able to elect a Governor, two Senators, and several Congressmen, wouldn't they become "respectable"?

A brief biography of Joseph Smith: http://www.mindspring.com/~renewal/JosephSmith.html

1 posted on 01/28/2012 9:20:48 AM PST by pinochet
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To: pinochet
Am I the Only One, Who Thinks That Mormonism is As Strange As Hinduism?

Possibly.

To me and many others, it's much stranger.

2 posted on 01/28/2012 9:22:39 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: pinochet
Only I wouldn't say "strange". Weird is more accurate.
3 posted on 01/28/2012 9:23:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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Hinduism does have the "cow thing", but we just had the "horse thing". Our Congress had decided it was better to simply starve old or injured horses to death by turning them loose in public lands ~ rather than euthanize them and pay $1500 to bury the carcasses.

You can tell me all about horse worship.

Note, Hinduism has at its core a whole series of ancient stories that seem to have their roots in the pre-Abrahamic traditions reflected in the Old Testament.

To a degree it's not strange at all.

4 posted on 01/28/2012 9:24:53 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: pinochet

Axelrod, is that you stirring the pot on this website?

Go back to your CPUSA blog.


5 posted on 01/28/2012 9:25:32 AM PST by joinedafterattack
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To: pinochet

The full anti-Mormon stuff hasn’t even started yet...and probably won’t until he has the nomination. Think it’s a coincidence that there’s a Broadway play just now about the “silly” religion?

Couple that with “vulture capitalism” and his “let’s play nice with Obama” at the debates...Romney’s toast.

Next year at this time we’ll be saying...”why didn’t we just nominate a conservative?”


6 posted on 01/28/2012 9:25:44 AM PST by kjo
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To: pinochet
You've been here 8 days longer than I have, I'll bow to your choice of words.
7 posted on 01/28/2012 9:26:00 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: pinochet

Mormonism is a cult religion. Basically, one has to purchase salvation through the elders of the church.


8 posted on 01/28/2012 9:27:02 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: pinochet

Mormonism is definitely NOT aChristian sect! ala Jesus and Lucifer were brothers, Mormon armor, spirit babies, lamanites, goal of becoming God, temple molestation, Mountain Meadows Massacre, etc. But I have lived in predominantly Mormon communities out wEST. tHEY ARE ALMOST UNIFORMLY CONSERVATIVE, PRO-aMERICA, pRO-FAMILY GOOD-HEARTED PEOPLE. i GUESS THEY ARE BORN INTO it and don’t know anybetter.


9 posted on 01/28/2012 9:28:24 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: pinochet

Oh, no, Hindus only have 350 million gods and goddesses.

Mormonism has an infinite number - with more made all the time. They have an annual Spring Fling at Kolob Beach.


10 posted on 01/28/2012 9:32:56 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: pinochet

Of course you’re not the only one, otherwise you wouldn’t have posted this here.


11 posted on 01/28/2012 9:34:27 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: 2nd Amendment

Good people, weird theology.


12 posted on 01/28/2012 9:34:45 AM PST by omega4412
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To: pinochet
romneybeckexcelad, Glenn & Mitt's Excellent Adventure
13 posted on 01/28/2012 9:36:53 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: Graybeard58
"Hinduism is a really strange religion"

Why does this make me think of the kettle calling the pot strange? (or something like that}

Let's go read the Book of Revelation and then we can really talk about strangeness.

14 posted on 01/28/2012 9:43:14 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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Are we a nation of religious tolerance or do we sanctify only Christianity? Anyone practicing a different religion isn’t worth a crap?

Is America a La Cosa Nostra for Christians?

Shall I tell my Buddhist wife that she’s unacceptable to Americans because of her Buddhist beliefs?

My mother was Pentacostal. That’s a cult. Her whole day was spent worrying about ‘the church’, putting everything second to the ‘pastor’. That church also liked to empty your pockets in the name of God.


15 posted on 01/28/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: pinochet
The success of his Mormon religion, makes him the most successful conman in American history.

Compared to Obama? Naaahhh!

16 posted on 01/28/2012 9:45:37 AM PST by null and void (Day 1103 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: pinochet

The anti-Mormon bigots on FR make me ashamed of FR. Why don’t we focus on Obama and his failures, and Romney and his liberal ideas, and the destruction such ideas have wrought on this country rather than the pros and cons of Mormonism?


17 posted on 01/28/2012 9:47:04 AM PST by Laserman
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To: pinochet

I’ve always thought of it as a mixture of Islam, Mason occultism, with a little pagan mythology, Jewish romanticism and gnosticism mixed together, but that might be giving too much credit to Joseph Smith who began his flim-flamming by staring at rocks in his hat.


18 posted on 01/28/2012 9:47:45 AM PST by pallis
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To: DJ Taylor
"Hinduism is a really strange religion"

In your post to me, you put the above quote in Italics, as if I said it - I didn't.

19 posted on 01/28/2012 9:48:46 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: pinochet
Yeah it has it's quirks but they all do. I think it is important to have a faith to believe in regardless of the type. To me they all seem as a variation on a theme and we choose the one that makes the most sense to us and that best fits our experiences, hopes and dreams. So I really don't care what faith you practice.

The exception being islam. That is just some pure evil shiite.

20 posted on 01/28/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The damage is too extensive. Burn it down and start over.)
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To: pinochet
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21 posted on 01/28/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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22 posted on 01/28/2012 9:52:24 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

Hiccup!


23 posted on 01/28/2012 9:53:20 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: pinochet

Is more Mormon bashing really necessary? Seriously?


24 posted on 01/28/2012 9:53:20 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: pinochet

Mormonism/LDS in its various guises is a seriously revised version of Christianity. They claim that it is the “restored gospel”. Their doctrine is at serious variance with historical Christianity in multiple significant areas. They believe that the historical churches left the true path a God sent messengers to correct things. At a macro level, their approach is quite defensible theologically. It would make things simpler for some if they declared themselves a separate religion, but their claim of Christianity is not without some basis, though it is clearly not historical Christianity.

As for it being strange, talk to some serious Mormons who were raised in their faith. They kind of get how the Roman Catholic church operates, but Protestants are beyond comprehension. It just depends on what you were brought up with. When it comes to weird, LDS followers are not all that different than historical Christianity when compared to some of the other religions out there.

LDS is no less respectable to me that other religions including historical Christianity. I respect (within some limits) the rights of others to believe and worship as they please. The practical values of the LDS community are OK by me, even if I don’t agree with them theologically. While I am a fundamentalist Christian, my political support and vote does not hinge on someone’s religion, but their policies and behavior.


25 posted on 01/28/2012 9:55:28 AM PST by Starwolf
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To: pinochet

When discussing ‘naked touching’ keep in mind that the Puritans practiced ‘bundling’ wherein an unmarried young man and woman would be put in bed together, naked, with a sheet between them, and encouraged to rub against each other, while family and friends looked on.

It was considered a courting ritual.

by contrast, playing cards was strictly forbidden.

The past is a different country.


26 posted on 01/28/2012 9:55:57 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: All

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons


27 posted on 01/28/2012 9:57:50 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: Jukeman
one has to purchase salvation through the elders of the church

Sounds a bit like Amway.

On the comparison between Mormonism and Hinduism, I have fewer problems understanding how people can believe in the latter as opposed to the former. Hinduism is a very ancient religion, probably the oldest surviving faith on Earth, its adherents are born into it, and those followers can at least point to several thousand years of tradition to support why they believe. According to a Hindu friend of mine they do actually believe in a single supreme God of which the others are sub-manifestations. While I am not a Hindu myself I have never felt any discomfort in discussing my faith with Hindu friends and acquaintances. Try discussing traditional Christian beliefs in detail with a Mormon, or even risk your throat doing so with Muslim, sometime.

Speaking of which, there are many parallels between the founding history of Mormonism and Islam. A latter day (post-resurrection) prophet is exposed to Christianity and decides that it is a misinterpretation of the "truth". He then (through supposed ecstatic revelation) receives a new revealed word which, to any objective reader, is a mass of contradiction and embarrassingly ignorant made up history. Nonetheless, both prophets attract devoted followers who are willing to kill and die for their new faith. Both condone and practice polygamy and what we would today classify as pedophilia, the treatment of some races of man as sub-human, and require complete submission of the individual to the prophet and his "church".

28 posted on 01/28/2012 9:58:22 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Laserman

There was a time when there was much less controversy surrounding Mormonism on FR. Mormons as a whole (Harry Reid notwithstanding) are a conservative, patriotic people.

What changed all that, what created the divisiveness and the acrimony, spun off of the 2008 Presidential primary. Mitt Romney made a determined effort to dispel the notion that Mormonism isn’t Christian to aid his own electability, despite over a century of even Mormon founders stating that it isn’t. Partisans began to make the claim on FR, on the Religion Forum.

Then the refutations began, led primarily by former Mormons. There have been all manner of wild back-and-forths, the most memorable of which have come from Mormons themselves. I forget the name of the one particularly paranoid gentleman, but he’s still attacking FR and coming on as a retread from time to time, Greg something I believe. He takes the cake for sure.

Be ashamed all you want, but that’s the sound of free speech and freedom of religion. Does it “look bad” to people who really have no idea what’s going on? Probably. Stifling it leads to all manner of other things that don’t just merely look bad, though.


29 posted on 01/28/2012 10:02:26 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: pinochet

The basis for the BoM comes from Freemasonry writings since Mr. Smith was a Freemason. Smith took what he wanted from them and twisted it for his own nefarious purposes. The Freemasons writings come from the Kabbalistic writings of the rabbis that they took and ran with and twisted it for their own purposes, also. The BoM is just a distortion of a distortion.


30 posted on 01/28/2012 10:02:42 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: donmeaker

I think they did a lot of that bundling in Intercourse, Pennsylvania!


31 posted on 01/28/2012 10:09:00 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Actually Joseph Smith wrote the BoM years before he learned anything about Freemasonry. The Temple rites, however, were heavily dependent on Freemason rituals.


32 posted on 01/28/2012 10:12:17 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: pinochet

If Moses could do it, if Paul could do it, then why not Joseph Smith Jr?

Who decided what was scripture? Why would G-d communicate to us based on a system of “jam yesterday, and jam tomorrow, but never jam today”?

If the Genesis story of “Noah and the flood” could be adapted from the epic of Gilgamesh, why could not Joseph Smith Jr. adapt his story of Laban from “A View of the Hebrews” by Ethan Smith?


33 posted on 01/28/2012 10:14:59 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: pinochet

We could probably assess the real threat from Mormans to America better if someone would supply this data for consideration:

1. Morman divorce rate

2. Percentage of Morman children born out of wedlock

3. Percentage of Morman families on welfare, and/or food stamps.

4. Drop-rate rate for Morman school children

5. Crime rate for Mormans

6. Morman percentage of prison population

7. Morman gang activity

It seems those, and a few I’ve probably forgotten, are the things that threaten our society more than theology.


34 posted on 01/28/2012 10:15:45 AM PST by Will88
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To: pinochet

If you take the time to open- mindedly study the catholic church teachings and history you may come to the conclusion, as have I
, that all the truths are found there.and Anyone outside the church
Has a(what I consider) gargoyl mindset. Read GK Chesterton or the book by Israel Zolli’Why I Became a Catholic’. God be With you in your search


35 posted on 01/28/2012 10:17:09 AM PST by whiteclockinthetrees
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To: AlmaKing
Shall I tell my Buddhist wife that she’s unacceptable to Americans because of her Buddhist beliefs?

It's sad, and hits close to home for me too. I had a Thai girlfriend once here in the states (I also lived in Thailand for many years) whose family was politically very right leaning in almost every way, yet supported Democrats because they always claimed conservatives didn't like Buddhists. To me it seemed irrational, but that is what they felt. Another family I am very close to is Palestinian Christian, and they do the exact same thing. Again, conservative in almost every way yet vote Democrat because they feel Republicans just don't really like them.

In the last election 63% of Asian voters cast a ballot for Obama. This is the same voting block that went 55% for Bush in 1992. There are just not enough white people moving to the GOP fast enough for us to keep losing these minority voting blocks by ever increasing margins. Do people just not get it?

Yes, I know the MSM/media meme that conservatives are intolerant is largely BS, but do have to wonder when I read posts like this if some people are literally TRYING to alienate anyone not white and Christian (Catholic or Protestant)? I wonder if people realize this nation is demographically changing to such an extent that it will simply not be possible to win national elections (and even states we still carry) in a few years is folks persist in making Buddhists, etc, feel like they aren't welcome in the party (and as office holders).

Voting is about electing politicians, not clergy. There is so much wrong with Romney, namely that he is not a conservative, that there is simply no reason to bring his religion into the discussion. There is also nothing wrong with electing Buddhist, Hindu's, etc if they champion conservative policies. I'd happily vote for a conservative Mormon, Hindu, Buddhist, etc over a liberal Christian every day of the week.

36 posted on 01/28/2012 10:17:23 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Will88

Actually Mormon rather than Morman.


37 posted on 01/28/2012 10:20:05 AM PST by Will88
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To: donmeaker

There wass a ‘bundling board placed between the bundelers, IIRC.

Based on tthe 25% bastardy rate, that board sometimes had a knothole in it.


38 posted on 01/28/2012 10:20:28 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: pinochet

Hinduism was something of an artificial umbrella erected over the various offshoots and enhancements to the early vedantic tradition of which they had common origins. (As, some would argue, does Christianity.) Lining all of the gods and practices up into a single pantheon of a single religion makes it look something different from how it has been commonly practiced.


39 posted on 01/28/2012 10:23:33 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Graybeard58

Exactly. I’d say it’s unfair to Hinduism to compare it to Mormonism.


40 posted on 01/28/2012 10:24:12 AM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: pinochet

Hinduism is an ancient religion which is founded upon monotheism. Mormonism is made up by a scam artist, not monotheistic, and is more like Scientology actually. THere are so many differences between Hinduism and Mormonism I could write for hours.


41 posted on 01/28/2012 10:25:18 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: pinochet

I’m far more concerned about Socialism than I am about Mormonism.


42 posted on 01/28/2012 10:25:25 AM PST by TennesseeGirl
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To: pinochet

All false religions are strange.


43 posted on 01/28/2012 10:26:03 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: kjo

I despise Romney and will vote for him under no circumstances; however, his Mormanism has nothing to do with it.

Having said that, if the media, leftwingers, etc. try to make something of his Mormanism, then won’t it be logical to ask those making something of it why there seems to be no problem with Harry Reid’s Senate Majority leadership and the fact that he is Morman too?

If they want to trash Romney for his Mormanism, then Reid should get trashed too. Just say’n.


44 posted on 01/28/2012 10:27:09 AM PST by MachIV
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To: GladesGuru

Bundling was practiced differently, sometimes with a board, sometimes without. Without the pernicious expectation of constant romantic infatuation, marriage was often arranged by the family, and one way for the family to get a prospective groom to agree to take a problem daughter off their hands was to give him an opportunity to ‘tickle the dragon’.

The sad stories of Andrew Jackson and Sam Houston reveal the vast divide between our marital expectations.


45 posted on 01/28/2012 10:33:09 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: pinochet
I guess what is disheartening about the Joseph Smith stuff is that it happened practically yesterday, as far as religions go...

he did it bold faced in America of all places...

people knew he was a crook...

people knew he was a charlatan....

but throw in that little girl and many of them, and immoral men just ran with it...

its not like Smith existed in ancient times...

its not like his beginnings are muddy...we all know his story...

and yet, it was allowed to continue, in modern times...

like Ron Hubbard, anything can attract a following apparently...

46 posted on 01/28/2012 10:34:38 AM PST by cherry
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To: MachIV

Here’s where you go wrong...you expect these people to allow you to apply the logic they apply to us...to them.

It doesn’t work that way...and if you try it, it’s because you’re racist.

Got it?


47 posted on 01/28/2012 10:36:13 AM PST by kjo
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To: Will88

“We could probably assess the real threat from Mormans to America”

There is a more important issue... the threat to the souls of people from mormonism.


48 posted on 01/28/2012 10:36:53 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: Starwolf
I too accept other religions and I'll vote for Romney if I have too...I know good people who are Mormons...

we're not talking about whether Mormons are good people or not though...many of them are, and many are not...just like the rest of us...

but no matter what kind of tolerance one has, its hard to understand the very odd things that Mormonism supports....

49 posted on 01/28/2012 10:38:15 AM PST by cherry
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To: pinochet

What? Hinduism rocks. The Upanishads and Samhitas have some of the greatest observations about human existence ever written.

I’d never compare it to Mormonism. Not that I have a negative view of Mormonism....It’s just that you’re comparing an impulsive teen to a wise old man.


50 posted on 01/28/2012 10:49:09 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Now I know how the average lefty would feel if Fred Phelps were elected President.)
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