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Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
Manila Bulletin ^ | 1/19/12

Posted on 01/30/2012 10:09:56 AM PST by EBH

Pope Benedict XVI says Roman Catholics in the United States need to understand the "grave threats" to their faith posed by what he calls radical secularism in the political and cultural arenas.

He addressed visiting US bishops Thursday and used the same language in warning that attempts are being made to erode their religious freedom.

Benedict did not explicitly mention it, but the bishops have complained their religious freedom is eroding in the face of growing acceptance of gay marriage and attempts to marginalize faith. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has recently formed a committee on protecting religious liberty and hired attorneys and a lobbyist to work on the issue.

The Pope said many of the bishops have complained about attempts to deny conscientious objection with regard to cooperation in "intrinsically evil practices." US church leaders have been pressing for a broader religious exception to part of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul that mandates private insurers pay for contraception. The Obama administration has not yet made a decision on the policy and the timing is uncertain.

Bishops also are pressing for broader religious exemptions in US states that have legalized same-gender civil unions or marriage. The vast network of Catholic social services in the United States includes adoption and foster-care placement. Bishops in some states have either shut down adoption programs or have lost their government contracts after refusing to place children with same-gender couples.

Benedict also expressed appreciation that bishops have been more outspoken about American Catholic politicians who don't follow church teaching on abortion and other issues.

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First they came for the bankers, Then they came for the Wall Streeters, Then they came for the 1%, Now they come for the Catholics...

Not so secular now is it?

Taking on the Catholic Church during an election year?

1 posted on 01/30/2012 10:09:56 AM PST by EBH
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To: EBH

Color me cynical but even though I’m a practicing Catholic, I’m pretty sure that the US Church is going to figure out a way to transfer the corporations to some one who can go ahead and do the despicable practices and the church still gets the money. They will then continue to vote dem.


2 posted on 01/30/2012 10:15:10 AM PST by Mercat
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To: EBH

We have a great pope, thank God.


3 posted on 01/30/2012 10:23:50 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: EBH

bookmark


4 posted on 01/30/2012 10:28:14 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Mercat

If that is really the way you feel about how the Catholic Church operates, why are you still a “practicing Catholic”? Essentially you are saying that the Catholic Church is not following its beliefs. Maybe if you would stand up and speak out to your Bishop and parish pastor and get others in your parish to do so, our governmental leaders, especially those who claim to be Catholic like Kathleen Sibelius, will get the message.

It is my belief that finally Obama and company have pushed the Bishops too far and things are going to get rather nasty for Obama with the US Catholic Church. For the past two Sundays, I have heard priests speaking out at Masses against the anti-Catholic actions taken by the Obama government. I believe they are just getting warmed up.


5 posted on 01/30/2012 10:31:32 AM PST by CdMGuy
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To: EBH
First they came for the bankers, Then they came for the Wall Streeters, Then they came for the 1%, Now they come for the Catholics...

Exactly, the communists in the church helped trash the constitution to go after the rich.

Now they find themselves without any protection.

Too bad, so sad.

6 posted on 01/30/2012 10:34:32 AM PST by SlargTarg
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To: Mercat

ObamaCare and Religious Freedom
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/social_justice/sj0257.htm
ARCHBISHOP TIMOTHY M. DOLAN

Religious freedom is the lifeblood of the American people, the cornerstone of American government. When the Founding Fathers determined that the innate rights of men and women should be enshrined in our Constitution, they so esteemed religious liberty that they made it the first freedom in the Bill of Rights.

In particular, the Founding Fathers fiercely defended the right of conscience. George Washington himself declared: “The conscientious scruples of all men should be treated with great delicacy and tenderness; and it is my wish and desire, that the laws may always be extensively accommodated to them.” James Madison, a key defender of religious freedom and author of the First Amendment, said: “Conscience is the most sacred of all property.”

Scarcely two weeks ago, in its Hosanna-Tabor decision upholding the right of churches to make ministerial hiring decisions, the Supreme Court unanimously and enthusiastically reaffirmed these longstanding and foundational principles of religious freedom. The court made clear that they include the right of religious institutions to control their internal affairs.

Yet the Obama administration has veered in the opposite direction. It has refused to exempt religious institutions that serve the common good — including Catholic schools, charities and hospitals — from its sweeping new health-care mandate that requires employers to purchase contraception, including abortion-producing drugs, and sterilization coverage for their employees.

Last August, when the administration first proposed this nationwide mandate for contraception and sterilization coverage, it also proposed a “religious employer” exemption. But this was so narrow that it would apply only to religious organizations engaged primarily in serving people of the same religion. As Catholic Charities USA’s president, the Rev. Larry Snyder, notes, even Jesus and His disciples would not qualify for the exemption in that case, because they were committed to serve those of other faiths.

Since then, hundreds of religious institutions, and hundreds of thousands of individual citizens, have raised their voices in principled opposition to this requirement that religious institutions and individuals violate their own basic moral teaching in their health plans. Certainly many of these good people and groups were Catholic, but many were Americans of other faiths, or no faith at all, who recognize that their beliefs could be next on the block. They also recognize that the cleverest way for the government to erode the broader principle of religious freedom is to target unpopular beliefs first.

Coercing religious ministries and citizens to pay directly for actions that violate their teaching is an unprecedented incursion into freedom of conscience.

Now we have learned that those loud and strong appeals were ignored. On Friday, the administration reaffirmed the mandate, and offered only a one-year delay in enforcement in some cases — as if we might suddenly be more willing to violate our consciences 12 months from now. As a result, all but a few employers will be forced to purchase coverage for contraception, abortion drugs and sterilization services even when they seriously object to them. All who share the cost of health plans that include such services will be forced to pay for them as well. Surely it violates freedom of religion to force religious ministries and citizens to buy health coverage to which they object as a matter of conscience and religious principle.

The rule forces insurance companies to provide these services without a co-pay, suggesting they are “free” — but it is naïve to believe that. There is no free lunch, and you can be sure there’s no free abortion, sterilization or contraception. There will be a source of funding: you.

Coercing religious ministries and citizens to pay directly for actions that violate their teaching is an unprecedented incursion into freedom of conscience. Organizations fear that this unjust rule will force them to take one horn or the other of an unacceptable dilemma: Stop serving people of all faiths in their ministries — so that they will fall under the narrow exemption — or stop providing health-care coverage to their own employees.

The Catholic Church defends religious liberty, including freedom of conscience, for everyone. The Amish do not carry health insurance. The government respects their principles. Christian Scientists want to heal by prayer alone, and the new health-care reform law respects that. Quakers and others object to killing even in wartime, and the government respects that principle for conscientious objectors. By its decision, the Obama administration has failed to show the same respect for the consciences of Catholics and others who object to treating pregnancy as a disease.

This latest erosion of our first freedom should make all Americans pause. When the government tampers with a freedom so fundamental to the life of our nation, one shudders to think what lies ahead.


7 posted on 01/30/2012 10:57:15 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: SlargTarg

Really are you really that obtuse to not see what is at stake here? Too bad, so sad?

They are coming for you too!

If they can take down the Catholic Church...I don’t think you are going to stop them from infringing on ALL religions.

This isn’t about just the Catholics FRiend, this is about one of our Rights! This is about religious freedom. Yours, mine, his and the other guys.

Whatever happened to the idea of defending the Rights of fellow citizens?


8 posted on 01/30/2012 11:03:57 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: CdMGuy

I hope you’re right. As to why I’m a Catholic, the short answer is the same as Peter’s was when Jesus asked him whether he was also going to leave. “Lord, where would I go?”


9 posted on 01/30/2012 11:17:00 AM PST by Mercat
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To: EBH
Really are you really that obtuse to not see what is at stake here? Too bad, so sad? They are coming for you too!

I know that, but there is really nothing that can be done.

I think there is maybe 5% of the population that really cares about freedom and limited government.

The other 95% have constantly made excuses for growing the government and they are going to have to feel the full pain of their folly before they change.

The coming persecution of the various Christian churches will be a hard lesson about the consequences rationalizing theft and envy for the sake of the "poor."

10 posted on 01/30/2012 11:26:14 AM PST by SlargTarg
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To: EBH

Is there any regular secularism or is it all radical?


11 posted on 01/30/2012 11:28:59 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Mercat

I think that you should be encouraged that, in this case, even Cardinal Mahony is speaking out strongly against the Obama regime.


12 posted on 01/30/2012 11:31:26 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: CdMGuy

I believe you are correct as they are not just talking about this from a “sin” point of view. They, at least where I go, are full bore pointing out this is a violation of our Right to freedom of religion.


13 posted on 01/30/2012 11:38:10 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

Thank God that the Catholic Church is weighing in on this issue. Christians need to stand up and fight for their faith.


14 posted on 01/30/2012 11:45:58 AM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: SlargTarg
I know that, but there is really nothing that can be done.

Funny and oddly enough, I do not believe that is what God calls us to do in times of persecution.

15 posted on 01/30/2012 11:47:24 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH
Funny and oddly enough, I do not believe that is what God calls us to do in times of persecution.

What does one do when the churches constantly support the socialists?

At some point you either have to just shrug and worry about yourself or go mad.

16 posted on 01/30/2012 12:12:11 PM PST by SlargTarg
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To: EBH

Here’s something you need to understand. If the U.S. Bishops had opposed Obamacare from the git-go, we wouldn’t be in this predicament would we? Just ask Judie Brown of the American Life League, she’ll tell you the same thing. When Humanae Vitae, written by Pope Paul VI, was released in 1968, many wicked clergy in Church were working against it. That document alienated many Bishops and priests, and lay people alike all over the U.S. And that was a generation ago wasn’t it?

Not to mention Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV reports that 98% of Catholics contracept and are using some form of birth control. Is it any wonder that we’re in the mess we are in right now? The heirarchy are largely to blame for this big mess that we are in right now. Now the heirarchy can’t be soley blamed, but they bare the majority of the responsibility. I forget which Church father said this, but the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and priests. Something along those I think.

The question remains to we have the will to fight? Now that remains to be seen. Personally, I don’t think we do. But that’s just my opinion. But the facts speak for themselves.


17 posted on 01/30/2012 12:17:00 PM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII
I forget which Church father said this, but the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and priests.

I don't know, but Chaucer wrote (paraprase) that if you go to hell you won't see any bishops or priests because they're in a special place. To find them you have to lift up the devil's tail and shine a light up his arse, and there you'll find them. I kid you not.

18 posted on 01/30/2012 12:33:59 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: ichabod1

Wow.


19 posted on 01/30/2012 12:51:07 PM PST by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII

John Chrystostom is the man you are looking for.


20 posted on 01/30/2012 1:01:32 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Pope Pius XII
I forget which Church father said this, but the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and priests.

Apparently that can't be reliably attributed to any particular source: http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/11/is-road-to-hell-paved-with-skulls-of.html

21 posted on 01/30/2012 1:01:46 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Pope Pius XII

Yeah, The Canterbury Tales are very bawdy. I’ll never forget that description.


22 posted on 01/30/2012 2:42:57 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: EBH
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has recently formed a committee on protecting religious liberty and hired attorneys and a lobbyist to work on the issue.

They could save a lot of money by telling their congregations to vote for only pro-life candidates which would eliminate about 95% of the democrats that Catholics vote for in alarming numbers it seems.

23 posted on 01/30/2012 5:08:53 PM PST by mc5cents
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First they came for the unborn.


24 posted on 01/30/2012 5:22:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Obama’s ‘war on the church’
Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict

Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate
Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

25 posted on 01/30/2012 5:22:53 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I hope that my priest will read one of these letters that the bishops are sending around to protest the Obama administration’s restrictions on religious freedom and conscience. However, I am not holding my breath. The guy loves Obama, and never mentions anything in his homilies about any of this. The sad truth is that many of the priests I know feel this way. We are fighting a losing battle here I am afraid. Very depressing.


26 posted on 01/30/2012 7:24:22 PM PST by Rosie405
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I am Catholic and I think many individual churches that did not read the letter may be on the ‘social justice’ band wagon.

I recently went looking for a new parish and many Catholic church websites clearly state that they have “social justice ministries.”

I suspect if you did not hear the letter...then you check your source.


27 posted on 01/31/2012 5:56:04 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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PS. Perhaps you should drop off a copy to him or contact your Arch Bishop? Take the stand, the opportunity is in front of you.


28 posted on 01/31/2012 5:58:00 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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