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Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age [Lds church is hemorrhaging in member losses]
Reuters ^ | Jan. 29, 2012 | Peter Henderson and Kristina Cooke

Posted on 02/01/2012 4:50:21 AM PST by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian

Just the start of killing Romney. Wait til they really open up. And I’m NOT voting for him.


2 posted on 02/01/2012 4:53:08 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Colofornian

Not since...the 1837 failure of a church bank in Kirtland, Ohio, have so many left the church, Jensen said.
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Oh noez

Joey Smith’s savings and loan bank scam..


3 posted on 02/01/2012 4:54:38 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: Colofornian

Jensen said. “Maybe since Kirtland, we’ve never had a period of - I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having now,” he told the group in Logan.
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Oh noez

the universal apostasy has started

for real...


4 posted on 02/01/2012 4:56:28 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: All
This article is the third in a trio of related postings on the same subject:
* Number of faithful Mormons rapidly declining
* Mormons opening up in an Internet world [& Losing members accordingly]
5 posted on 02/01/2012 4:57:08 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

...”having a Mormon president could raise the church’s profile and legitimize it in other countries.”
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Ya think Chavez and Putin will join ???


6 posted on 02/01/2012 4:57:39 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: Colofornian

place marker


7 posted on 02/01/2012 5:03:02 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Colofornian

Could more Mormons be starting to see the light?


8 posted on 02/01/2012 5:03:06 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Colofornian

A good sign that maybe more Mormons are starting to come to faith in the REAL Christ.


9 posted on 02/01/2012 5:04:23 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Mormonism, as you know, is NOT Christian. Electing Mitt Romney will, I fear, bring a chastisement from God.

Pray the electorate wakes up to this fact before its too late & he is nominated.


10 posted on 02/01/2012 5:08:46 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

The internet is having a greater impact on communication than did the invention of the printing press. It is what did Dan Rather in. It is what stopped Kerry in his tracks. It will do the same thing to false religions like Mormonism. As more and more Muslims in “free” countries use the internet it will do the same to them.

This is a Good Thing. Truth stands easily on its own. Lies take a lot of work, especially when communication is easy. It would be very hard, indeed, to bring a person into the mormon faith who has studied the claims of both mormonism and ex-mormons. The truth rings, well, true.


11 posted on 02/01/2012 5:13:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Colofornian

All anyone has to do is watch the South Park Mormon episode and it pretty much sums the whole thing up.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 5:17:18 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Colofornian

In an “every cloud has a silver lining” sort of way, I said that if the Romney candidacy is more serious this time, the good news is that mormonism will be exposed for what it is. It appears that is actually happening.

That is a Good Thing.


13 posted on 02/01/2012 5:17:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: VanDeKoik

—All anyone has to do is watch the South Park Mormon episode and it pretty much sums the whole thing up.—

Yep, provided you trust the info. I tell people to watch that and then google it regarding accuracy. It’s pretty accurate, on the stuff that matters.


14 posted on 02/01/2012 5:18:24 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Biggirl

Unfortunately, Mormonism’s twisted notion of the divine causes many “exmo’s” to reject all religion and become atheistic.


15 posted on 02/01/2012 5:19:26 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Colofornian

I guess when you are hemorrhaging membership, shunning apostates isn’t as effective.


16 posted on 02/01/2012 5:32:15 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: Colofornian
Two facts about the Mormon Church:
Since the early '80s, they have been one of the largest 'importers' of illegals into the U.S.A. They have actively aided and abetted illegals enter and find housing, work and counseling on staying 'below the radar' in the U.S.A.

They do heavy missionary work in 3rd world counties and claim it is in the name of "Christianity."
They emphasize that converts to Mormonism will become "Christians" rather than Mormons.
I have met and spoken with many "converts" who have no idea what the Mormon church is all about.
As far as they know, they are "just Christians."

Personally, I think this is a very deceitful action on the part of this group.
I am not condemning the 'converts' as they, IMO, have benefited from reading the Bible (not the Mormon stuff)and learning about Jesus, but the deceit is actively promoted by the Utah mafia.
17 posted on 02/01/2012 5:35:20 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: elcid1970

But there are those who do come to faith in the real Christ, cannot deny that either.


18 posted on 02/01/2012 5:36:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Even the Catholic Church WILL NOT accept the Mormon baptism and any Mormon who wants to become Catholic has to get baptized in the Catholic Church.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 5:38:47 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: surroundedbyblue
"Mormonism, as you know, is NOT Christian. Electing Mitt Romney will, I fear, bring a chastisement from God."

Will it be worse than the chastisement for electing a Muslin?
20 posted on 02/01/2012 5:42:12 AM PST by askrenr (HOOAH! It's an Army thing.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Lucy Harris smart, smart, smart. Martin Harris dumb.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 5:46:18 AM PST by CASchack
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To: surroundedbyblue
Mormonism, as you know, is NOT Christian. Electing Mitt Romney will, I fear, bring a chastisement from God.
Pray the electorate wakes up to this fact before its too late & he is nominated.

The chastisement doesn't have to come from God. It will be having Obama for another four years. That's punishment enough.

It's the GOP's fault for not backing Santorum. He's the one who should be the GOP opponent of Obama. He won't be so we ALL lose. The Republicans of our great country prefer a Mormon candidate than a Catholic one. We reap what we sow.

22 posted on 02/01/2012 5:48:07 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Tennessee Nana

23 posted on 02/01/2012 5:48:30 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: askrenr

Re “chastisement”

The beatings will continue until morale improves, apparently.


24 posted on 02/01/2012 5:51:53 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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25 posted on 02/01/2012 5:53:33 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Colofornian

One of the hidden problems besieging the Mormons has existed since their very beginning, and it’s a lulu. Secular politics.

Before their migration west, they were stuck in situations of varying hostility with non-Mormons over the years. Eventually Smith was approached with the demand that he order the Mormons to embrace one secular political party or the other.

He tried to do this to protect them, but could not deliver their vote as a bloc. And because there was no secret ballot until the 1880s, the end result was that both political parties turned on the Mormons. And politics back then was far meaner than it is today, to the point of violently persecuting political enemies.

Moving forward to today, there is still a huge political division among the Mormons, but since the 1960s, while there has been a general movement left by both parties, the Democrats have gone to the extreme left.

An extreme left that hates religion.

Just like other religions, though perhaps not as developed as in other religions, this may end up as a schism between conservatives and liberals, with liberal Mormons preferring leftist doctrines to those of their own church, yet still calling themselves Mormons, while trying to undermine their own church with corrupted doctrines.

The Mormons have been somewhat insulated from this for a while, because they have a very determined and orderly hierarchy. But eventually they are going to have to realize that many are “Mormons In Name Only”, at such variance with church doctrines that unless they are expelled they threaten the destruction of the church.

For their part, liberal and leftist Mormons will strive to achieve positions of power in the church, and leftists are skilled with infiltration into organizations with the idea of subversion to leftist goals.


26 posted on 02/01/2012 6:08:00 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: askrenr

“Will it be worse than the chastisement for electing a Muslin?”

Let me clarify my point: if Romney becomes the nominee, voters will be choosing between two anti-Christs. This, in no way, can be pleasing to God. My point is that we must shun Romney & put a Christian on the ticket. That’s why I said the electorate must wake up before it’s too late & Romney becomes our candidate. I hope & pray that Gingrich does indeed fight this all the way to the convention.

If he is, I will not vote. I know there are FReepers who think that’s ridiculous but I must vote my conscience. I will not support a Mormon who also embraces gay marraige & abortion on demand. No no no!!!!


27 posted on 02/01/2012 6:10:50 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Colofornian

Anyone who is wondering why Romney is being pushed by the Mormons needs to research the White Horse Prophecy. Beck, Hatch, and Romney buy into that evidenced by all three referencing the “constitution hanging by a thread” comment in that prophecy.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 6:11:26 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: VanDeKoik

Had a friend of mine over the other night and we turned the episode on for him....(Romney supporter and Michigan State Republican committee guy) he was cracking up. First, he was a T Paw supporter......then that went south, and now he is a Romney guy. Sadly, he was on McCains national team last go-around and the Romney bots are not treating him well. We will see if he is pure enough to stay the course.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 6:11:48 AM PST by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
liberal and leftist Mormons will strive to achieve positions of power in the church

They already are and always have been, it is what mormonISM is. Romney is a liberal because of mormonISM not in spite of it.

30 posted on 02/01/2012 6:17:14 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: askrenr
Will it be worse than the chastisement for electing a Muslin?

We been killing the innocent since 1973.

We've not SEEN chastisement yet!

31 posted on 02/01/2012 6:21:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The Mormons would go into a town and vote in a bloc so they could take over the civic government and change it to their theocracy...

In 1844 when Joey Smith ran for POTUS he ran on a 3rd party ticket...


32 posted on 02/01/2012 6:23:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: surroundedbyblue

between two anti-Christs


My understanding from Christian end-of-world prophecy is there is only one anti-Christ. Maybe Romney is that White Horse anti-Christ I keep hearing about? How does the true anti-Christ arrive? Is the horse color really that important? Gingrich is Catholic. Does that still count as Christian? If I type “Are Catholics Christians?” in Google, I get tons of hits that say “No way.” Jesus wasn’t a Christian either. Wonder if he would get any votes?

Inquiring minds and all.

“There can be only one.” Highlander


33 posted on 02/01/2012 6:26:58 AM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: Colofornian
romneybeckexcelad, Glenn & Mitt's Excellent Adventure
34 posted on 02/01/2012 6:39:34 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: CynicalBear

I agree 100%


35 posted on 02/01/2012 6:41:12 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Colofornian
Contempt


36 posted on 02/01/2012 6:42:38 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: Colofornian
This woman first introduced me to the lies of mormonism and its false prophet, many years ago. Who will be the first to tell me who she is?

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37 posted on 02/01/2012 6:50:26 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Biggirl
Even the Catholic Church WILL NOT accept the Mormon baptism and any Mormon who wants to become Catholic has to get baptized in the Catholic Church.

I'm wondering if there's a church of any denomination that doesn't have the letters, "LDS" in its name that does recognize mormon baptism?

38 posted on 02/01/2012 6:54:07 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Colofornian
And who knew Reuters even had a religion department???

I can hardly wait for their update on Black Liberation Theology.

39 posted on 02/01/2012 7:00:02 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: cuban leaf
On the other hand the internet seems to have had little influence in taking down Obama despite all the con man evidence that would have killed the candidacy of any other human being.
40 posted on 02/01/2012 7:02:21 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: askrenr
Will it be worse than the chastisement for electing a Muslin?

That's the question it looks like we are all going to have to answer, doesn't it? America died in the 60s, and so far there has been no resurrection of the corpse. But we keep trying.

41 posted on 02/01/2012 7:08:01 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Graybeard58

Fawn Brodie.

Do a get a copy of the Book of Mormon as my prize?


42 posted on 02/01/2012 7:09:56 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

—On the other hand the internet seems to have had little influence in taking down Obama despite all the con man evidence that would have killed the candidacy of any other human being.—

We underestimated him during the election. Also, people have to want to bother to do the search. A small number of mormons will look at the data and turn from mormonism. A huge number of people “looking into becoming mormon” will stop dead in their tracks. This includes the children of mormons.

This can be used against Christianity and the bible as well, but with much less effect because the evidence for it’s veracity is so overwhelming. With mormonism, it is something the church would just as soon people don’t look at too closely.

Likewise with Obama. The internet has hurt him a great deal. Think where we would be if we had the same press we had in the 20th century. Problem is, people don’t dig as much into politics. Those that do are on sites like this.


43 posted on 02/01/2012 7:20:26 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Graybeard58

I was a young Mormon girl and she introduced me to the lies of Mormonism too!

Thank God.


44 posted on 02/01/2012 7:25:39 AM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: Colofornian
The head of the church, President Thomas Monson, who is considered a living prophet

Just like the Shiite branch of Islam considers the Ayotallohas as living prophets. Sorry but no need for prophets after God himself became incarnate.

45 posted on 02/01/2012 7:35:03 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Colofornian
"I think you can find scientific studies coming down on both sides, but the Book of Mormon doesn't live or die on scientific evidence," Jensen said.

I must of missed those article on finding horse remains dating from the period of 600 BC to 1491 AD. Or I must when I went to the Mayan cities of Copan and Tikal those horse glyphs. I noticed the Jaguars, rabbits, etc but I must of missed the horses.

46 posted on 02/01/2012 7:37:38 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Graybeard58

No Christian denomination I know of accepts Mormon baptism for the reason the Mormons do not accept the Trinity as stated in the Nicene Creed.


47 posted on 02/01/2012 7:40:28 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Cureloms!!!

But I want to know...

What happened to the knowledge of the Wheel?
The origin of the wheel is unknown, but once it was invented, knowledge of the wheel spread rapidly throughout the Mediterranean and Asian world. Wheeled vehicles made the movement of goods much easier. The earliest known examples of wheels are from Mesopotamia and date from about 3500 to 3000 bc. The cart or wagon, pulled by humans or animals, was the first wheeled vehicle.

Lehi and his party obviously had knowledge of the wheel. The Book of Mormon uses the term chariot many times (and in many different time periods) which shows that the BOM peoples used the concept of the wheel. Some example of this are:

2 Ne. 12: 7
7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots.

Alma 18: 9
9 And they said unto him: Behold, he is feeding thy horses. Now the king had commanded his servants, previous to the time of the watering of their flocks, that they should prepare his horses and chariots, and conduct him forth to the land of Nephi; for there had been a great feast appointed at the land of Nephi, by the father of Lamoni, who was king over all the land.

Alma 18: 10
10 Now when king Lamoni heard that Ammon was preparing his horses and his chariots he was more astonished, because of the faithfulness of Ammon, saying: Surely there has not been any servant among all my servants that has been so faithful as this man; for even he doth remember all my commandments to execute them.

Alma 18: 12
12 And it came to pass that when Ammon had made ready the horses and the chariots for the king and his servants, he went in unto the king, and he saw that the countenance of the king was changed; therefore he was about to return out of his presence.

Alma 20: 6
6 Now when Lamoni had heard this he caused that his servants should make ready his horses and his chariots.

3 Ne. 3: 22
22 And it came to pass in the seventeenth year, in the latter end of the year, the proclamation of Lachoneus had gone forth throughout all the face of the land, and they had taken their horses, and their chariots, and their cattle, and all their flocks, and their herds, and their grain, and all their substance, and did march forth by thousands and by tens of thousands, until they had all gone forth to the place which had been appointed that they should gather themselves together, to defend themselves against their enemies.

3 Ne. 21: 14
14 Yea, wo be unto the Gentiles except they repent; for it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Father, that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots;

So what happened to the wheel?
Archaeology says that wheels were not used for travel in Pre-Columbian America. The knowledge of the wheel for transportation may have been in existence but seems to be limited to the use in toys. If the Nephites and Lamanites used chariots, why wouldn’t this extremely valuable idea continue to be used by the descendants of the Ancient Americans?

If Lehi’s descendants did use a wheel, there would be evidence of wheels in the Americas before Columbus. Technology spreads quickly, especially an innovative one like the wheel.

Even the use of wheels in toys is suspect. Some LDS apologists have pointed to the discovery of wheeled toys left in tombs. However, several researchers, including W. H. Holmes of the Bureau of American Ethnology suspect that the toys were introduced into the tombs after the arrival of Europeans on the continent. He stated:

“Charnay obtained from an ancient cemetery at Tenenepanco, Mexico, a number of toy chariots of terra cotta, presumably buried with the body of a child, some of which retained their wheels. The possibility that these toys are of a post-discovery manufacture must be taken into account, especially since mention is made of the discovery of brass bells in the same cemetery with the toys.” (emphasis in original). Reference: wikipedia (on May 14, 2010)

http://mormonthink.com/book-of-mormon-problems.htm


48 posted on 02/01/2012 8:08:38 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Tapir back riders -


49 posted on 02/01/2012 8:28:40 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Colofornian

I heard this report on “Heart of the Matter” last night. V
ery, very interesting.


50 posted on 02/01/2012 8:33:12 AM PST by T Minus Four
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