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Local (Vegas) pastor arrested in Mexico for sexuasl assault
Henderson Press ^ | 29 Jan 2012 | Carla Zvosec

Posted on 02/05/2012 12:20:28 AM PST by Cronos

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This was not Holland’s first arrest for sex-related offenses on minors.
1 posted on 02/05/2012 12:20:43 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I’m glad that you search planet earth for Christian short comings, otherwise, we might miss some of them.


2 posted on 02/05/2012 12:27:48 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy

Oh, no, the leaders who deserve such praised from you are Alex Murphy and RnMomof7 whose posts “ search planet earth for Christian short comings”


3 posted on 02/05/2012 12:38:52 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

What? What the heck are you talking about?


4 posted on 02/05/2012 12:47:13 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

oh, I just said that if you want to thank anyone for ensuring that you keep informed about Christian shortcomings then first and second you must thank the two I mentioned above — they do so much more to ensure that all are informed...


5 posted on 02/05/2012 12:50:12 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: ansel12

One needn’t look far...


6 posted on 02/05/2012 12:56:48 AM PST by stormer
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To: Cronos

I don’t get it, you search the world for this stuff, and then post it.

It is you that is posting it, I don’t know why you devote yourself to this.

Are Christians evil in your eyes?


7 posted on 02/05/2012 1:09:29 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7

Nope, and I don’t devote myself to this — You can ask Alex and RNMom that question instead.


8 posted on 02/05/2012 1:15:55 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: ansel12
oh and btw, we Christians are not evil -- I don't know what you think -- are Christians evil in your eyes?
9 posted on 02/05/2012 1:16:52 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos
Local (Vegas) pastor arrested in Mexico for sexuasl assault

sexuasl assault?

10 posted on 02/05/2012 1:53:51 AM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Cronos

If only Protestant pastors could get married - then they wouldn’t molest children.


11 posted on 02/05/2012 4:20:18 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Cronos

Good thing he wasn’t catholic or it might really cause a controversy here.


12 posted on 02/05/2012 4:20:57 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Notwithstanding

I wonder if his church and congregation knew about it and covered it up. Perhaps they were looking to transfer him to a new church in Mexico. It would explain his trip there.


13 posted on 02/05/2012 4:23:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The entire community including the police and the press knew about his prior offenses and yet the community allowed him to function as a pastor and have access to children. So it wasn’t just his supervisor who made an errorr, it was the entire congregation, law enforcement, and the press and others who approved.


14 posted on 02/05/2012 4:50:24 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: ansel12

When a preacher holds services in the lobby of a tax service building.

You might find it advisable to be wary.


15 posted on 02/05/2012 4:51:00 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cronos

atheists cannot appreciate the way the world works...they have no real understanding of the power of good AND evil. Evil can tempt anyone, being Christian does not eliminate evil’s intent to do his work upon them...some are tempted to do evil things. But, consider this Cronos next time you waste your time trying to make Christianity seem bad. Each and every day of your sad life...each day Cronos, there have been millions of Christians helping those in need without monetary reward. Each day Cronos...during your miserable life these Christians have made this world a much better place and helped keep evil at bay. There is no other religion so generous, but that is because Christianity follows Jesus Christs teachings. Those teachings are love, because truly God is LOVE! It is real simple actually, if it is loving, life enriching...it is God’s work...if it is hateful, life endangering...it is Satan’s work. Next time you strive to turn people away from God maybe you will think about that. Just contemplate that as a possibility and ask yourself why you are led to do this kind of nonsense. God Bless!


16 posted on 02/05/2012 4:53:19 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Notwithstanding

I find that hard to believe since he was arrested.


17 posted on 02/05/2012 5:01:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Wpin

You miss the point.

Some at FR truly REVEL in the sins of any Catholic and behave as if such sin is proof of the glory of Protestantism (while pretending the same sins don’t abound among Protestants and Protestant clergy).

Cronos posts these stories so that these Protestant-and-in-denial FReepers might see the folly of their imperious attitude.

Thanks for playing along.


18 posted on 02/05/2012 5:50:14 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: driftdiver

Nope. Read.

This was not his first arrest.


19 posted on 02/05/2012 5:52:14 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Venturer

Why? All you need is a bible to preach the Word! A preacher don’t need no fancy trappings, or official church building, or title.


20 posted on 02/05/2012 5:55:10 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Cronos

Another horrible title by the media. This title makes it look like this pastor went to Mexico to prey on victims, was caught, and arrested there.


21 posted on 02/05/2012 5:59:08 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: Venturer

“Will everybody please open his Bible to Genesis 10:99. Yay, though ye file the Schedule C, ye may deduct only the reasonable and necessary business expense.”


22 posted on 02/05/2012 6:06:48 AM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: Cronos
Local (Vegas) pastor arrested in Mexico for sexuasl assault

Sounds like he should have been arrested and should have been convicted long ago, so that's a good thing. There are others who have long deserved the same, just imagine:

Former (Boston) Cardinal arrested in Italy for molesting boys

Wouldn't that be something? Justice served, finally being held to account.

Naaah, who am I kidding? It'll never happen. It's as if he and others like him have diplomatic immunity or something. It sounds just like UN perverts in some third world country, as far as using and discarding children for sexual gratification, then moving on to destroy another generation in some other place needing their "help."

23 posted on 02/05/2012 6:15:45 AM PST by RegulatorCountry (+)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Apparently you have new evidence - no Boston cardinal has ever been accused of sexual crimes or improprieties. But smearing is apparently fun for some of you.


24 posted on 02/05/2012 6:23:55 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding
Oh, that's right. He was just the chief architect of the shuffle-them-around-to-different-parishes approach, to avoiding the problem of priests molesting boys.

My mistake. The fictional headline should have read:

Former (Boston) Cardinal arrested in Italy for aiding and abetting the molestation of boys on a massive scale

Is that better? It sounds worse.

25 posted on 02/05/2012 6:54:18 AM PST by RegulatorCountry (+)
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To: Cronos

I’m so glad that you post all these proofs that Protestant pastors get arrested and go to jail for the offenses that Priests only get transferred for.


26 posted on 02/05/2012 7:08:39 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Notwithstanding

Many people feel as you do. That’s what keeps these people in business. It’s a matter of choice.


27 posted on 02/05/2012 7:18:14 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cronos
Do not make the thread "about" other Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

28 posted on 02/05/2012 8:06:46 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Cronos

Yes, this material does undercut the ridiculous claims made by those 2.


29 posted on 02/05/2012 8:47:31 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding

So you intrepret arrest as a form of approval. I c


30 posted on 02/05/2012 9:46:49 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

See ccomment 1 of this thread, wherein the culprit’s prior history of sex crimes was known and yet he was released and people brought children to him.


31 posted on 02/05/2012 10:35:15 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Cronos; ansel12; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; metmom; Gamecock

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/crime/second-sex-abuse-claim-against-priest..

This was a few weeks ago ..
At the same time another priest was sentenced for abusing boys.. I make excuses for no one.. but Rome does. This local priest “just happened” to be recalled by his order to Rome .. untouchable


32 posted on 02/05/2012 1:51:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Religion Moderator

not really making it personal — the guy asked me a question, I pointed out he could also ask some others the same question.


33 posted on 02/05/2012 9:46:10 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Wpin

hello. I am Christian. If you see Christians as being bad that is your problem.


34 posted on 02/05/2012 9:47:02 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Making up stories? wow...


35 posted on 02/05/2012 9:48:01 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: CynicalBear

np. The depraved among Christians: Catholics or non-Catholics remain. Even among non-Christians, right cb?


36 posted on 02/05/2012 9:49:34 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: driftdiver

Are you without sin?


37 posted on 02/05/2012 9:59:50 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

So why would you post such a story? Realistically all it could do is drive people from Christianity? I’d be curious to know your pastor’s reaction to you posting such a story. Could you ask him and get back to us with his reaction?


38 posted on 02/05/2012 10:09:18 PM PST by bramps (Free Speech)
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Why should it drive people from Christianity? this is a sinful man, it says nothing about the basic theological truth of Christianity.. These pastors are not Christ, they are flawed men like you or me.


39 posted on 02/05/2012 10:31:04 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

What was difficult about my question? What is your point in posting it?


40 posted on 02/05/2012 10:56:00 PM PST by bramps (Free Speech)
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Hey bramps, this is news out there. You have a problem with the news, then take it up with this pastor for assaulting kids...


41 posted on 02/06/2012 1:25:34 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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Hey bramps, this is news out there. You have a problem with the news, then take it up with this pastor for assaulting kids... as your tag line is “free speech”, then take it up with the pastor...


42 posted on 02/06/2012 1:26:34 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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you can also read about Eddie Long the BAptist preacher getting crowned King. Or the Westboro Baptist crowd. Bunch of con-artists. These aren’t Christians...


43 posted on 02/06/2012 1:32:21 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Notwithstanding

“You miss the point.

Some at FR truly REVEL in the sins of any Catholic and behave as if such sin is proof of the glory of Protestantism (while pretending the same sins don’t abound among Protestants and Protestant clergy).

Cronos posts these stories so that these Protestant-and-in-denial FReepers might see the folly of their imperious attitude.

Thanks for playing along.”

So, what is the point again? I missed it within the message somehow. I just thought Cronos was putting down Christianity...oh, he was...but, that is to lift up Catholic Christianity? I don’t think so...I do empathize and dislike when some denigrate the Catholic faith for the bad deeds of a few individuals...they do not understand the relationship between good and evil and evil’s temptation on all of us, but especially with those whom love Jesus and have strong faith. But, we must learn that we are not each others adversaries, we are all Christians sharing in our faith and love for Jesus Christ. The temptation to denigrate others of our faith is really similar to the temptation of actually doing the sin we are denigrating someone else about.


45 posted on 02/06/2012 2:44:56 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin; Notwithstanding
.I do empathize and dislike when some denigrate the Catholic faith for the bad deeds of a few individuals.

and that is good on your part. For my part I do separate the individuals who sin from the teachings of Christ -- as flawed creatures, their sin, our sin, bears no reflection on the creator who is perfect.

47 posted on 02/06/2012 2:52:56 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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“For my part I do separate the individuals who sin from the teachings of Christ — as flawed creatures, their sin, our sin, bears no reflection on the creator who is perfect.”

I learned to separate human flaws from God from a Catholic priest (I am not Catholic). My wife was raised Catholic and I believe that a man should marry in the Church of the woman’s faith so I attended the classes (pre-Cana?) and told the Priest of my honest (but misguided) prejudices against the Catholic church. He patiently listened as I explained my Irish “mixed religion” ancestry and family history...he then was quiet for a moment as he contemplated how to put his thought across and to let my passion quiet down. Then went on to, without malice in any way, explain in a very loving, logical way the fallacy of blaming an entire religion on the actions of a few individuals. It was a pivotal moment in my life and changed me for the better. I will always remember that wonderful priest with admiration and fondness. He did perform our marriage ceremony and was absolutely wonderful in his manner and absolute in his honorable faith.


48 posted on 02/06/2012 3:06:26 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin
credit to you -- check this link out for what some folks say about Catholics: by becoming Catholic, "you would accept Christ as a Baptist and then essentially turn your back on him. "

Or there are far worse out there -- folks who'd look at the slimeball, criminals pastors or priests out there and then denigrate our beliefs because of these scum.

49 posted on 02/06/2012 3:14:57 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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nope


50 posted on 02/06/2012 3:50:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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