Skip to comments.Voting The Least Harmful-My Rationality
Posted on 02/05/2012 7:33:18 AM PST by dps.inspect
I am a born again Christian. I am protestant, but am not attached to any particular church or denomination at this time, though I have been in times past. I am committed to Christ, but am imperfect in areas of commitment, yet I glory in my Risen Savior.
As regards voting for any particular individual for POTUS, my view is to vote for the individual who, in my estimation, would do the least harm to my freedoms as granted by God and enumerated in our founding documents. Having lived through numerous presidencies, I have observed this; no man governs perfectly, but govern they do, some with little affect on my freedoms and some with great affect. Our present POTUS seems intent on changing from, God Given to Obama Given... this should never be, of any man holding that office.
I have in times past been more impassioned, and emotionally attached to individuals for whom I've voted... the flaw being, that emotional attachment obscures rationality. That is key... to not be emotionally taken-in, by anyone! This time around, I remain aloof, but not regarding Obama, against him I will vote, with all my humanity. But as regards to who replaces him I have no particular attachments other than to vote, when my time arrives, for the one who will do the least harm.
Palin never entered the race; Bachmann is gone; Santorum may or may not be standing before I vote, which if he is, he will get my vote; if it is between Newt and Mitt, I'll be voting Newt; and if my final choice is between Mitt and Obama, guess what, I'll be voting for Mitt. I won't be throwing away my vote on some moralistic 3rd party candidate, or doing a protest vote, which is as I see it, voting for Obama.
Some may like to play chess with their vote. Some say, well if we vote for the worst offender, then the voters will see it our way next time around. Why go to hell when you don't have to? Why sacrifice the present, so by chance, the future won't be as bad... who can foretell the future?
Mitt has the blood of infants on his hands, he has governed to the left in Massachusetts and he has lied (for he is a Politician)... I see these things, yet, he is courting conservatism and is, in my estimation, moving to the right. It also appears that he can be pushed to the right. So, I ax-chew, has Obama moved rightward? Can he be pushed to the right? Can Obama be anything more than an ideologue, in search of the perfect formula that punishes his enemies and rewards his friends, all the while, ignoring our great constitution, and doing it all in Jesus's name? Can we not cry out Blasphemy on that man!!
Regardless who becomes the next POTUS, Christ is king and I will follow him.
I’m stickin with Rick even though I don’t see how we can overcome Romney. Even with Gingrich and Santorum numbers combined it just ain’t enough and we know Ron Paul isn’t going anywhere.
I’d really rather see people vote their conscience and accept the likelyhood that Romney will be the nominee. Then we can move on to focusing our efforts on holding the house and taking the senate.
Mit Romney IS Obama, just a lighter shade of pale. Now, knowing that for a fact these men are ideological twins, one goes to other factors.
Obama can only win one more term. 4 more years and he’s done while his twin, Mitt Romney could kill us for eight years.
Points to ponder.
“and he has lied (for he is a Politician)... I see these things, yet, he is courting conservatism and is, in my estimation, moving to the right”
You say that he’s a liar but you trust his motives? Imagine the confusion on the part of the poor reader.
Pray for a miracle. Know that His Grace will be sufficient no matter what.
Um, did you mean to deceive us? With Newt and Rick numbers combined, Milt Rominy is set aside. Now, how do you get the lesser votes for Rick over to the larger votes for Newt, or the larger votes for Newt over to the lesser votes for Rick?
I actually pretty much go along with this article.
all men have lied... Presidents, all have lied... politicians see the lie as a tool in their arsenal... being in the world and not of it, does not mean don’t try to influence it... even Christian lie, ponder that...
Yes, true....nice sidestep btw.
Just go ahead and believe what you want to believe. I really don’t care.
Some of you folks are off the rails and sounding an awful lot like liberals these days.
Rationality... Is the thing to considered here. Sounds as though you would rather vote Obama because you are so emotionally invested in beating Romney. I am not, emotionally invested that is. Even if Obama retains the white house, my faith is not moved, but it may be forced into new realities. If Romney wins, I at least feel as though there is a chance to keep our Republic. If Net or Santorum should miraculously pull of a victory, I would rejoice, understanding though they are as we, just men.
That could change. I think one reason the numbers are so low is that Newt is not that well liked. With obvious exceptions, the voters aren't passionate about him. It could be the same with Santorum, I certainly don't know, but I think it could change as well. Definitely would pick up more women's votes.
Excellent analogy. I keep hearing about strategy instead of what these candidates stand for.
Would you rather have Ebola (Obama) or HIV (Romney)?
That’s what it comes down to.
Excellent analogy, because with either one, the country will die.
These days, anti-retroviral drugs can turn HIV into a chronic state of sickness rather than a death sentence. If Romney does become the eventual nominee and president, that highly active anti-retroviral treatment would be a strong, conservative senate.
I forgot to edit my tagline.
Ironic that you are picking the most harmful, after saying you would pick the least harmful...
Better to go all in and bring this generations-long war against America out in the open than to die the death of a thousand cuts from the likes of the Vichy Republican bastards on offer now.
How ironic that Obama is less of a threat to my God given rights than Romney... Rationality is a difficult exercise... but I digress, if you can muster enough votes to keep Newt or Santorum viable, when my time comes to vote, it will be one of those two, and will likely be even if they are not (speaking of primaries). But, if you give me a choice between Obama, Mitt or some distant 3rd party spoiler, I will vote Mitt... but I do not call him the most conservative that can beat Obama... Choose as we may, my overall life and joys in life depend on no man and I am free in Christ.
How lost the lost are, that they wish their hell on the rest of us.
“I will vote Mitt... but I do not call him the most conservative that can beat Obama... Choose as we may, my overall life and joys in life depend on no man and I am free in Christ.”
Ironic that while claiming the name of Christ, you support a man committed to a false Christ, false Gospel and to denying the one true LORD you claim, replacing Him with multiple gods and every form of blasphemy... and you do this while claiming to be free in the Christ he denies.
I agree with you, Cripplecreek. Keep voting / supporting Santorum because Gingrich can’t beat Romney anyway and Gingrich is only superficially as good as he says. He is the pure smartest, but he has both sexual and personality baggage that often interferes with his ability to cash the checks his mouth doth write. Santorum mostly gets it, isn’t erfect, but is deeply moral and consistently as conservative as we are going to get. I am happy with his conservatism and do not want to get responses about his various votes. Remember, we are trying to beat Thr Romney machine here, so that we don’t keep an American hating communist in the WH. Please.
Better to show the country that there are a lot of principled conservatives here, inspire new conservatives to come forward and seek office, and be proactive about all the conservatives down ticket.
It’s not over yet. Miracles happen. Keep praying for our country. In your prayers focus on the USA of our founders, of Ronald Reagan. It can still exist. It will always be difficult to keep our Republic. It will always be hard to be “of the people and for the people.”. Have you SEEN the people? :)
But try we must. Donate to conservatives running in all your races. Or volunteer, or do yard signs and bumperstickers. Keep the faith, whatever your faith is. This country is worth fighting for.
Yes, and No... Just as a soldier who is ordered to kill in the name of his country, does not make him a murder in God’s sight, so, given the choice to participate in this our republic by choosing the lessor of two evils does not, a satan worshiper make... you who make such equivalencies are yourself evil by partaking in everyday TV watching, gum chewing, nose picking, and varying degrees of lecheries (mentally or otherwise) are you not? I do not judge you for these things, but by your own words are you judged.
“you who make such equivalencies are yourself evil by partaking in everyday TV watching, gum chewing, nose picking, and varying degrees of lecheries (mentally or otherwise) are you not? I do not judge you for these things, but by your own words are you judged.”
When you veered off the road, jumped the guardrail and somersaulted down the embankment in the quote above, I realized you didn’t care as much about truth as advertised in your vanity.
Good luck during Obama’s second term (whether he is sitting in the chair or Mitt as his substitute)!
There are none so blind as those who refuse to understand the pedigree of their ideas. OR the history of their own civilization.
... even worse is that Romney has actively used his political office to lead innocent children astray toward the embrace of and even their own declaration of, homosexuality. UNDERSTAND that this organization "reaches out" to kids as young as 6th, 7th, and 8th grade. CHILDREN.
Being an agent of cheap and easy "casual" abortion is bad enough, but using his political office and influence to PROMOTE the embrace of homosexuality among children is heinous and depraved.
God would SURELY direct his wrath at any person who worked to make such an agent of evil the most powerful leader in the U.S. Remember that allegiance to God comes BEFORE allegiance to Country.
I will not debase myself nor my country by lending my support to a person who encourages children to embrace homosexuality, PERIOD.
There is no "lesser evil" in a contest between Romney and Obama. I think that if it comes to such a choice in the 2012 General, it will be a test by the Almighty to see if the righteous are righteous enough to put God over Country. I think that if He sees God-fearing Christians voting FOR an agent of such heinous evil as Romney for expediency of country, He will either abandon us as a nation or level His wrath with a vengeance.
On the other hand, if He sees that Americans are righteous enough to reject such evil regardless of the worldly/earthly risks of another four years of Obama, I believe truly that THEN God will truly help us regain our American blessedness.
God FIRST. Then country.
And GODSPEED NEWT GINGRICH.
Please see my post #31.
Wow, flame throwing firebrands, a rational mind doth not make...
I rather would vote for Newt, who is conservative and a Christian.
Someone (myself included, I copeied it) has posted a statement from IIRC Alexander Hamilton, wish I could remember it exactly, something about better to fight an open enemy than one who is pretending to be on your side. Romney is an enemy of conservatism and the Constitution. Just because he wears the label “Republican” doesn’t change that. Better to fight with openly declared enemies than ones who stole your side’s uniform.
I’d rather be stabbed in the chest by my known enemy than in the back by my alleged ally.
The known enemy you can fight back with spirit. The fake “ally” who is really an enemy is not so easily engaged in fighting. Treason is much worse than a sworn enemy.
He's funnin', appears to me.
I am also a born-again Christian with no current ties to any particular denomination.
I disagree most passionately with your conclusions about Bishop Mitt Romney of the Mormon cult. I believe you have seen him tack right about as far as he ever intended, just to get the nomination. The moment it is clear that he is the Republican candidate he will begin tacking left.
Actually, I think this has already begun. His comments about Obamacare this week are not near as conservative (repeal day one) and more along the lines of giving waivers to each of the individual states.
I have been voting Republican since 1968. I will NEVER vote for Bishop Mitt Romney. As someone else has posted, at this point I think I would prefer four years of Obama to eight years of Romney.
I've not given up on Newt. I honestly believe, as he said last night, that there is a plan moving forward and that this nomination process is far from over.
Go Newt Go!
You dodged the question using the typical LDS inc style, so now we know what you are and why you’re playing this deceitful game.
Oh, I say go Newt go too, but can I square the hurt hes inflicted on past wives, and the spectacle of his mistress as first lady, with my faith. No, I don’t even try, for I’m not looking toward him as spiritual advisor. Nonetheless I would vote for him over Romney, if I had that choice in our primary, but Newt didn’t get his name on Missouri’s ballot (pretty lame if your seeking the GOP candidacy for POTUS). So now I’m left with Romney, Santorum or Paul. I’ll be voing for Santorum in our primary.
I see Obama as a threat to Orthodox Christianity on the whole, not just an insult to my brand of orthodoxy. I dont see Romney as a threat, at least ways not like O. With Romney we can argue orthodoxy, especially since his kind holds some of the same family values as Christianity. For him to be pro-abortion is against their stated views. I see O as an ideologue. Youre not going to change the mind of an ideologue or even make him question his position... I think you can Romney.
With my primary vote it will be, go Santorum go... he may actually win here in MO. The whole argument comes down to Obama VS whoever... a no vote is a vote for O, and a protest 3rd party vote is a vote for O... or to vote for O just to stick it to Romney, is irrational to say the least. If it eventuates, I will vote for a Romney over O... Ill like it about as much as I liked voting for McCain (I didnt). Thats how I see it...
My FRiend, we just very much disagree about this. I do not believe that Romney will be better for our county. Check history and see the programs that "moderate" Republican presidents have given, beginning with the EPA (Nixon).
You imply I waste my vote by not endorsing Romney (over Obama), and I say you waste your vote by not endorsing Gingrich (over Romney).
Santorum's game plan (and I don't think he's a bad guy), is to snipe from the bushes (no pun) and then pull a big win in Missouri. I think his supporters will be very surprised to learn that the bushes have moved and Rick is standing in the open. Oh look, here come Romney's guns, now pointing at Rick.
While, in the end, I could willingly pull the lever for either Newt or Rick, I will NEVER pull the lever for Romney or Obama. Guess I'll be voting third party or writing-in my choice for President.
I would like to think that Obama would adhere to the "charter of negative liberties" that we know as the blueprint of our republic, but with no re-election worries to bind him, I have no doubt that if he could, he would go Chavez on us.
My apologies. You are correct I missed that you were actually voting in MO. Given the same choice, I would also be voting for Santorum.
No, I will NEVER vote for Obama. If my post sounded like I would, I must not have been clear. Obama calls himself a Christian when it is politically correct to do so (even likes to sermonize and take scripture out of context to meet his political agenda), but governs as one completely opposed to the basic tenets of Christianity.
Similarly, I will NEVER vote for Bishop Mitt Romney. I will not vote for him because he is a liberal masquerading as a moderate. When I see Mitt Romney, I see Ted Kennedy or John Kerry. I also have a real problem with Mitt being a Mormon and using the Mormon church to advance his candidacy (98% of Mormons voting for Romney in the latest polling I've seen).
And you are so correct, Christ is King! On that we can agree ...through eternity.
God bless, my FRiend.
Thank you! I am so glad to hear this. I have said it before and I will repeat it as often as I need to:
Even if it comes down to Romney or Obama, like you said, God is watching but so are the establishment RINOs. If they are so sure that we will kowtow behind whoever they line up for us, they will never be convinced otherwise if we play their game. If it means four more years of Obamanation, God will STILL be in charge, but at least the "powers that be" will finally get it through their thick skulls that we mean business and to NEVER pull that crap on us again! I'm all in this time.