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Priests Accused of Molesting Children Hiding in Plain Sight
NBC California ^ | 2/11/12 | Frank Snepp and Tara Kangarlou |

Posted on 02/11/2012 10:13:46 AM PST by RnMomof7

Some 200 Catholic priests suspected of sexual abuse are living undetected in communities across California, according to an attorney who represents hundreds of plaintiffs who sued the LA Archdiocese for molestation they say was inflicted on them by priests and clergy of the church.

Ray Boucher has mapped sixty locations where suspect priests live, in cities and towns from northern to southern California, and provided those locations to NBC4 exclusively.

“Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse,” Boucher said. “They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.”

Since none of the priests has actually been convicted of sex abuse, none can be identified under Megan’s Law, or their whereabouts revealed in related public databases.

“What the issue is here, is how you weigh the right of the people,” said Boucher, who is also one of the attorneys representing students in the Miramonte Elementary School sex abuse scandal. “In particular the right of children to be protected from molestation versus the right of privacy."

Among Boucher’s many clients in the church action are Manuel Vega and Dan Smith.

Vega is a former police officer from Oxnard who took special interest in sex crimes investigations because, he says, he was sexually abused as a teenager by his parish priest.

“He forced me to masturbate while he took pictures of me,” said Vega, who believes that the public is often too squeamish to recognize what child molestation actually entails – and thus not properly outraged by it.

“When we talk about sexual abuse we’re talking about sodomy,” he said. “There’s pubic hair, there’s sweat, there’re smells, there’re grunts.”

Dan Smith, another alleged abuse victim, is reeling from the recent collapse of his marriage which he blames in part on the psychological effects of the molestation he says he suffered as a child – at the hands of his local parish priest.

“He would rape me and then say this is what God’s love feels like,” Smith said, struggling to hold back tears more than twenty years after the alleged incidents.

Both men helped make legal history by joining 500 other plaintiffs in suing the LA Archdiocese for sexual molestation, with Boucher as their lead attorney.

In 2007 the LA Archdiocese reached an unprecedented $660 million settlement with many of the plaintiffs without admitting any wrong-doing.

It also agreed to let the courts decide which of the case-related church files should be made public, including those identifying alleged and admitted predators.

But according to Boucher and court documents, the Catholic Church has since engaged in a cover-up. By Boucher’s account, Church officials allowed priests suspected of sexually abusing children to retire, flee the country or hide in rehab clinics until the statute of limitations on prosecution ran out.

“What the church did is take these guys and send them off to facilities where they treat pedophile priests without ever alerting police,” Boucher said. “By enabling these priests to be hidden for so many years the church protected them from being prosecuted.”

Meanwhile legal disputes delayed the release of the promised personnel files, and Donald Steir, an attorney for several priests, went to court to argue that those who’ve been accused but no convicted should have their names and privacy protected.

“They are being punished as if they have been convicted, or at least that’s the desire – to punish them,” Steir said. “That’s not fair.”

“It’s difficult if you represent an alleged terrorist or a pedophile, because people don’t really care about the rights [including privacy rights] for these type of people,” Steir said. “But once we erode the rights of a group of people we don’t like, we effectively have started down a path where other people’s rights can be similarly denied.”

The courts, expressing concern for children, overruled most of these arguments and similar ones by the Archdiocese, which declined to comment for this story.

And a judge has ordered release of some personnel files, set for some time in the coming weeks. But he also credited the church for its increased sensitivity in dealing with molestation cases and decided to withhold the names of church officials who handled the earlier cases.

It is a ruling that reminds Boucher of the breakdown in accountability in the Penn state pedophile scandal. “Look at Penn State and see how important and significant it is when people in authority enable sexual abusers to continue,” Boucher said. “That underscores how significant it is to get these names out.”

Under the judge’s ruling the church can also keep secret, subject to further court review, the names of priests who have not been convicted and who have only one or two allegations against them or have allegations disputed by the church.

To Smith that seems like a formula for further cover-up by church officials.

“If their interests were to protect the kids, they would have released the documents,” Smith said. “As a parent not knowing who your neighbor is -- that is really scary.”

Many of these unidentified priests are included in Boucher’s location map.

“The danger” said Vega, “is that you have a person who has this sickness in them who is amongst the children.”

The plaintiffs in the church scandal are planning to appeal the latest rulings to assure broader disclosure of suspects’ names and locations. But Boucher warned this could take time, allowing suspects to keep their privacy protected, as well as their undetected presence in neighborhoods across California.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abuse; calvinismisdead; catholic; predators; priests; sin; threebilliondollars
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To: smvoice
"One must indeed take care to avid confessing to a priest of known bad character, but I do not believe that his sin strips away his power to absolve, for though he may have THE RIGHT TO WITHHOLD ABSOLUTION, it is not he who actually absolves, BUT THE CHURCH."

"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with HIM, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES." (Col. 2:13).

Makes sense to me...They do not confess to God, they confess to a mere man, a priest...The priest is their Church...In their reality, the Church forgives and absolves their sin...

Sadly, if they have not ask God for forgiveness, they have not been forgiven...

51 posted on 02/11/2012 5:40:29 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: smvoice

How anyone can put their faith in an organization that claims what the RCC does and then covers up the evil is beyond me. Why can’t they see the hypocrisy?


52 posted on 02/11/2012 5:49:28 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Iscool

BINGO.


53 posted on 02/11/2012 5:54:00 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear

54 posted on 02/11/2012 5:56:22 PM PST by narses
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To: RobbyS; smvoice; CynicalBear; RnMomof7; Lera; Iscool
One must indeed take care to avoid confessing to a priest of known bad character, but I do not believe that his sin strips away his power to absolve, for though he may have the right to withhold absolution, it is not he who actually absolves, but the Church .

Which is by far and away THE BEST argument going against the blasphemous teaching that man can forgive sins in God's place. To put that kind of power in fallible and easily corruptible man is a recipe for disaster, as we've seen from Catholic church history.

It leaves way to much potential for blackmail and extortion, hanging over people's heads their salvation as the price to pay for non-compliance to Church doctrine and teachings.

. Confession is an act of humbling oneself, a good thing in itself, and we rest assured in believing that whatever the character of the man behind the screen, that God knows our hearts, and that the priest has been given the power to absolve.

Wait a minute, you just said in the previous sentence that it's the church which absolves. Which is it?

1 Peter 5:6-7 6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, 7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

55 posted on 02/11/2012 6:00:16 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
AMEN. Absolute power= Absolute corruption. In all its "glory".

In the meantime, Christ's finished work just sits there, unclaimed. They've "changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like unto corruptible men..."Rom. 1:23.

56 posted on 02/11/2012 6:10:42 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear

Wow. Speechless, but not typeless, I see. If you can’t read, there’s no argument to be had.


57 posted on 02/11/2012 6:17:43 PM PST by Mach9
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To: RobbyS; RnMomof7; CynicalBear; Iscool; smvoice; boatbums; editor-surveyor
RS: it has descended into a witchhunt. This is shown by the rash actions of the LA school district which literally disbanded a school because several teachers were accused of molesting children. Suspicious has becomeguilt as Titus Oates abound in this land of ours.

“Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse,” Boucher said. “They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.”

Self-admitted pedophile priests ≠ "a witchhunt".

58 posted on 02/11/2012 7:19:00 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
For every confessed priest, there are a dozen accused. It is like the flurry of incest charges in the early ‘90s, when so many grown=ups suddenly recalled being molested by their fathers and other relatives. This is how it works. At the turn of the last century, the number of supposed black racists suddenly increased, and many a black was lynched for crimes against the purity of white women. You don’t get mob psychology, do you?
59 posted on 02/11/2012 7:59:43 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: metmom

whose sins you absolve, they will be absolves; whose sins you retain will be retained. We believe that the Church continued the mission of our Lord, which was to heal and to forgive sins. You are reviving the charge the Pharisees made against out Lord? The Church’s authority to act comes from Christ, who is the head of the Church. How is it that you can claim that same authority for yourself?


60 posted on 02/11/2012 8:05:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Gamecock
On FR it is, and has always been, an issue of the coverup. Very few FRoman Catholics will own up to the fact.

It's not just on Free Republic either that the cover-up is the issue. Look at all the billions of dollars that have been paid out by the Catholic Church for just this reason. I dare say if the problems were not covered up and the suspects spirited away and hidden in order to avoid the publicity, consequences and embarrassment and the complicity of the hierarchy, there may not have been the grounds for such settlements.

But we know that the sexual crimes of the clergy is not a new phenomenon. Read St. Peter Damian's "Book of Gomorrah-----A Moral Blueprint for Our Times. The approximate date that Damian delivered the Book of Gomorrah to Pope Leo IX is generally held to be the second half of the first year of the pontiff's reign, i.e., mid-l049, although some writers put the date as late as 1051. Considering that the Book of Gomorrah was written in 1049 A.D. it borders on the miraculous to note how many of Damian's insights can be applied to the current pederast and homosexual debacle here in the United States and abroad, including the Vatican. His treatise certainly stands as a masterful refutation of contemporary homosexual apologists who claim that the early Fathers of the Church did not understand the nature or dynamics of homosexuality. Rather, as Damian's work demonstrates, the degradation of human nature as exemplified by sodomical acts is a universal phenomenon that transcends time, place and culture.

One of the main points of the Book of Gomorrah, is the author's insistence on the responsibility of the bishop or superior of a religious order to curb and eradicate the vice from their ranks. He minces no words in his condemnation of those prelates who refuse or fail to take a strong hand in dealing with clerical sodomical practices either because of moral indifferentism or the inability to face up to a distasteful and potentially scandalous situation. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/929551/posts

61 posted on 02/11/2012 9:09:46 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: JustMeMcGee

“You can’t win if you’re Catholic based on the threads I’ve read here today.”

Yes, it’s easy to get the impression that some people—no one here on FR, of course, but some people—hate the Catholic Church so fanatically that it has robbed them of their reason.

I’m not talking about any FR poster, of course, but some people seem to hate the Catholic Church so rabidly that no explanation, no evidence, no logic, no reference to the scriptures—nothing at all, it would seem—is sufficient to budge them one iota from their irrational, extreme, downright lunatic beliefs about the Catholic Church. None of the protestants here on FR, of course, but some people.


62 posted on 02/12/2012 12:56:23 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: RnMomof7
Some article. Thanks for sharing.

My Neighbor was concerned when I lived in NY. Our town had the county Jail which listed the molesters listed in our town. She read this then went nuts until I showed her they were listed as residences in the County jail. Some of the documents had addresses of Jail street and number.

You would be surprised how many there are in society in all careers and walks of life.

Thanks for sharing.

63 posted on 02/12/2012 6:15:39 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: JustMeMcGee

Thanks for this post.

I’ve been by-passing most of the religion forum in the past year because of the constant drumbeat of the posters who seem preoccupied with denouncing the Catholic Church.

It seems to be their raison-d’etre


64 posted on 02/12/2012 6:21:58 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: dsc

I understand what you are saying.


65 posted on 02/12/2012 6:23:07 AM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: RnMomof7

Here we go again, the ‘everybody does it’ crowd shows up to whitewash over depravity. These ‘priests’ call themselves ‘Father’ in God’s HOLY Name.


66 posted on 02/12/2012 6:30:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: RnMomof7; TSgt; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; ...

As long as the RCC denies its loathsome problem and points its boney fingers elsewhere, it will get more of the same.

Almost as if that’s its goal.


67 posted on 02/12/2012 4:59:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; TSgt; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; ...

As long as the RCC denies its loathsome problem and points its boney fingers elsewhere, it will get more of the same.

Almost as if that’s its goal.


68 posted on 02/12/2012 5:00:42 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

For nothing is hid, that shall not be made manifest; nor anything secret, that shall not be known and come to light.
luke8:17


69 posted on 02/12/2012 5:19:25 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock; Salvation
The difference here is that the vast majority of Protestant clergy rapes on children results in the wolf in sheep's clothing receiving jail time. We rejoice that justice has been carried out. When one falls through the cracks and is allowed to remain in the pulpit we howl in protest that the entire church leadership should be held accountable.

Exactly..I belonged to a church were the music director was accused of touching a pre teen girl.. the next week the pastor got up and told the church what had happened..and that the man was not allowed back into the church and police reports were made out.. simple.. church discipline , protecting the sheep, and the legal consequences..

70 posted on 02/12/2012 5:24:43 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Gamecock; Salvation
three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports

each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy

Interesting what this really says..the protestants actually REPORTED the event ..unlike Rome who would rather cover their sin than protect the kids

71 posted on 02/12/2012 5:27:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Running On Empty
I’ve been by-passing most of the religion forum in the past year because of the constant drumbeat of the posters who seem preoccupied with denouncing the Catholic Church.

It seems to be their raison-d’etre

I’ve been by-passing most of the religion forum in the past year because of the constant drumbeat of the posters who seem preoccupied with denouncing PRODDYS.

It seems to be their raison-d’etre

72 posted on 02/12/2012 5:33:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Almost as if that’s its goal.

The results of seeds of deception sown - doctrines of devils manifesting...

1 Tim 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

73 posted on 02/12/2012 6:10:48 PM PST by presently no screen name
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“some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

-—Jesus


74 posted on 02/12/2012 6:14:32 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: presently no screen name
Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

You realize that this "forbidding to marry" is referring to the practices of sects like the Shakers that declared that no believers, even those who are married, should have sex.
75 posted on 02/12/2012 6:15:25 PM PST by aruanan
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To: CynicalBear
The insensetivity to the issue is apparent and indicative of the underlying justification of the coverups.

When posters post vast links to other areas where this is a problem they are simply refusing to acknowledge it's their problem and a means of yet again the larger "coverup". It's just enables those who are in denial to continue...and those who coverup to continue. I think enabling is about right.

What catholics don't' get is all their claims to be the one and "only mouthpiece and representation of God to the world"..... is 'WHY' the outcry against the catholic church is so great...and what makes the difference between them and say the school system and other institutions.

They set the standard and failed....greatly failed...by covering for the Priesthood of Pedophiles and Homosexuals. It's really not as complicated as they make it....but complicating things comes natural for them I think....weave enough yarn and the truth will always get bound somewhere amidst it's wrappings.

76 posted on 02/12/2012 6:45:11 PM PST by caww
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; CynicalBear
The rate is no higher among Catholic priests.

Perhaps not...but then others don't claim to be Christ's Representatives either, as Catholicism claims their Priests are....and therein is the difference.

We can expect vile behavior from those apart from the Lord...it is their nature and they will and can do vile things.....but for the vast "Numbers" of those within the catholic church committing these crimes...and the frequency of, with the knowledge this is happening,.....

....while at the same time these same Priests wrap their filthy/evil fingers around the Wine glass and Waffer and then offer it to the church members... should give every member pause.

Furthermore once the acts are discovered in other institutes they are generally addressed...not hidden for ages and ages by shuffling the perverts to other areas where they can further their crimes against children...and then moved again and again....with the full knowledge these crimes ARE being committed against children.

There are no words to define that.....but worse are the Bishops who gave their seal of approval knowing these perverts had their hands on children where they don't belong and putting them in places that hurt these kids.

78 posted on 02/12/2012 6:56:36 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
What on earth is a "waffer?"

FYI, we use English here.

80 posted on 02/12/2012 7:26:34 PM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: marstegreg
NBC has put out an article vilifying the Catholic church 1 day after they disagreed with the president. Shocking.

You left off the "/s"...

81 posted on 02/12/2012 7:31:34 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Theo
Please show me one posting here where someone defends a priest that is actually guilty of these crimes. There is a difference between accused and found guilty; or do you think that we should we dispense with trials and go straight to sentencing?

If you look at most of the comments to which you object you will find that what they take issue with is the jumping from the guilt of individuals to the attempt to place that guilt upon the entire Church and also falsely imply that it is unique to the Catholic Church.

If you can point out the guilt an actual Fr. A or a Fr B or of a Bishop X or Bishop Y that covered it up then by all means go for it. Indeed, I will be at your side. It is the attempt to change this personal guilt to an institutional guilt that Catholics here find reprehensible.

82 posted on 02/12/2012 7:34:12 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Theo

Concise and to the point.

And to be denied in all likelihood.


83 posted on 02/12/2012 7:54:33 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: aruanan
You realize that this "forbidding to marry" is referring to the practices of sects like the Shakers that declared that no believers, even those who are married, should have sex.

LOL! Now that's a stretch - a bad one at that - to suite you own agenda or cover some man made teaching/doctrine of devils. Not wise.

God's Word is The Final Authority - surely, you know that.

84 posted on 02/12/2012 8:14:45 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Petrosius; Theo; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
If you can point out the guilt an actual Fr. A or a Fr B or of a Bishop X or Bishop Y that covered it up then by all means go for it. Indeed, I will be at your side. It is the attempt to change this personal guilt to an institutional guilt that Catholics here find reprehensible.

OK, who's got the threads on this?

85 posted on 02/12/2012 8:44:03 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; Petrosius; Theo; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2709296/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2489752/posts

http://open.salon.com/blog/lost_in_berlin/2010/07/16/bishops_resignation_shifts_attention_to_protestant_abuse

Here are a few to start you off.

86 posted on 02/12/2012 9:03:35 PM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: Petrosius; metmom
It is the attempt to change this personal guilt to an institutional guilt that Catholics here find reprehensible.

These are the confessors who catholics are taught to obey, force themselves if need be, and never question. That would make it an institutional dilemma.

87 posted on 02/12/2012 9:13:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..
I find it curious that when the federal government threatens freedom of religion in the country with this HHS mandate- when ALL of the Orthodox Christian bishops and many Protestants/evangelicals/non-denominational/"Reformed" leaders (along with orthodox Jews, I might add) rightfully come to the defense of the Catholic Church - that all certain parties can do is throw the sex abuse card at the Catholic Church

I'd also like to point out that everyone's "favorite" movie director is doing the exact same thing: Michael Moore's anti-Catholic Tweets (Free Republic thread)

I'm just saying...

88 posted on 02/12/2012 9:16:06 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: caww
Perhaps not...but then others don't claim to be Christ's Representatives either, as Catholicism claims their Priests are....and therein is the difference.

No. No it doesn't.

Catholics, priest or otherwise, TRY to live up to what Christ preaches. Being human, we all fail.

The fact that vile hatred and lies pour from your lips like sewage says much more about you than anything you could say about anyone else, priest or otherwise.

89 posted on 02/12/2012 9:19:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I also observe that after their done using their favorite bat (the sex abuse scandals), they quickly turn to their real agenda, which is all their various doctrinal “issues” with the Church. Everyone with eyes to see can see through it.


90 posted on 02/12/2012 9:22:40 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480; TeĆ³filo; Cronos; wagglebee; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ArrogantBustard; ...

About a year ago, I saw an article that suggested Joe Biden had threatened one of the USCCB leaders (Dolan, or another prominent bishop?) that if the USCCB started enforcing Canon 915, in response the Church could lose its tax exempt status or the government might step up its investigation of “pedophila.” (It seems to me this threat must have had something to do with the removal of Bishop Joseph F. Martino from the Scranton diocese in 2009. The Church did not back him up when he took on Biden.)

Does anyone remember the context of Biden’s threat, its substance, and/or can anyone locate a reference to it now.

I searched for it this week without success.

I expect to see pushback along these lines real soon if the USCCB continues its resistance to the HHS mandate.

And the unwitting allies of the Obama administration will continue posting threads like this on FreeRepublic to try to discredit the Church even in the midst of her fight for their religion freedoms.


91 posted on 02/12/2012 9:38:23 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: metmom
The case of priest Geoghan and his long history of sexual abuse, well known to his superiors, Cardinal Law and other bishops, stands as typical of the institutional mind set of passing the abuser on to others to avoid scandal at any cost.

If he were an isolated instance it could be laid to one man's bad judgment and/or ignorance but it was more often the norm as critic and monk, Richard Sipe pointed out.

92 posted on 02/12/2012 10:06:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No. No it doesn't....(Claim Priests represent Christ).. Catholics, priest or otherwise

I am calling it just as it is, in fact it's worse than I stated....You say NO No!...I then refer you to these catholic sites and statements made by the Pope:

Pope Benedict xvi states...."When he answers that call, the Pope continued, THE PRIEST REPRESENTS JESUS".

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=6023

From the Vatican Site:

1552 The ministerial priesthood has the task not only of representing Christ - Head of the Church - before the assembly of the faithful, but also of acting in the name of the whole Church when presenting to God the prayer of the Church, and above all when offering the Eucharistic sacrifice.31

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a6.htm and Here:

"The Priest is appointed Christ's representative upon earth, being set as a mediator between Him and men. In one word, the Catholic priest is, as it were, another Christ: Sacerdos alter Christus"

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/priesthd/euchpr02.

and here:

"The text even makes clear how Confession is to be conducted. Christ's representative, the priest,.... must decide whether to forgive or retain."

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/confession_of_sin_to_a_priest.htm

I am certain you realize there are a vast number of catholic sites which could further be depicted here.

93 posted on 02/12/2012 10:55:10 PM PST by caww
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
And the unwitting allies of the Obama administration will continue posting threads like this on FreeRepublic to try to discredit the Church even in the midst of her fight for their religion freedoms.

Oh baloney!!! This isn't about Freedom...this is about criminal activities done by Priests of the Catholic church PERIOD....... and the 'tactic' to divert attention away from these criminal perverted Priests and Bishops just further attests to those who refuse to acknowledge these crimes and criminals and the huge infestation within the church. Worse it enables those in charge to continue with the cover-up.

The Catholic church is the only one responsible for it being "discredited".....the blame lays squarely on it's doorstep alone...none other.

94 posted on 02/12/2012 11:04:44 PM PST by caww
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To: presently no screen name; MarkBsnr; Dr. Brian Kopp
LOL! Now that's a stretch - a bad one at that - to suite you own agenda or cover some man made teaching/doctrine of devils. Not wise.

Wow, talking about jumping to conclusions and suiting agendas!

God's Word is The Final Authority - surely, you know that.

And to understand God's word as the final authority in matters of faith and morals you have to understand what it actually says and what those words meant to the writer as he addressed his remarks to a particular group of people at a particular time and place for a particular reason. Then, by analogy, you can apply those words to similar situations in your own life. A specific passage doesn't "mean" whatever anyone reading it happens, because of the idiosyncrasies of his own life, to interpret it to mean, as in, "Well, to me this is saying _____," and what's even worse is when, in an attempt to make his eisegesis unassailable, he follows up by saying, "Of course, it's the Holy Spirit who's giving me this particular interpretation."

Peter referred to these people:
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Note the emphasis added. I do this because, perhaps not so strangely, those who believe in private and personal interpretations of scripture also happen to be those who believe that their inclusion in the final roll of the redeemed is a sure thing, a matter about which Jesus, Peter, and Paul all strenuously warned.
95 posted on 02/13/2012 4:31:20 AM PST by aruanan
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To: RnMomof7
What you have posted is basically a press release from an attorney who has a financial interest in children being molested.

A press release which was released at the hight of the Catholic Church opposing Obama-care mandates.

97 posted on 02/13/2012 4:57:27 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; TSgt; All
Why is it that the defense put forth by Catholics is always “others do it too”? Does that somehow vindicate the problem with the priests? To be frank, when I see that defense my stomach churns. The insensetivity to the issue is apparent and indicative of the underlying justification of the coverups.

It's not "others do it too". I see you people really like fabricating quotes. What it is however, is an attempt to rebut the idea being put forth that child molestation is an exclusively Catholic problem.

The problem is, you people get mad when any evidence is presented that shows that it is a lot more widespread OUTSIDE of the Catholic church.

It's almost if you people *don't care* when a child is molested outside of the church. But that would be cyncical of me to state, and since you people have *so much* class, I would never make that accusation.

Lastly, this is an article about people who *are accused*, not convicted, released by a lawyer who has a finacial interest in children being molested, and seeing that those numbers are as high as possible.

98 posted on 02/13/2012 4:57:35 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: RobbyS
For every confessed priest, there are a dozen accused

Speaking of those who are accused and innocent -so what?

You are looking at this from a purely secular point of view. So what if people who TRULY belong to God are accused of something they did not do? The Word of God makes it very plain that is what will happen to those that truly love God. Joseph is a great example. Paul followers didn't whine either and call people "Paul bashers" when he was falsely accused. What did they do? What are you doing differently? What SHOULD you do?

WHO you stick up for and complain about when they are accused is just a huge neon arrow that points at the god that you are serving. How many of us do that? Instead, we should realize, as Joseph did that God is in control of all things, working thing out for His good pleasure. And as Paul exhorts us - to be content in all circumstances.

Be careful who (or Who) you defend. It speaks volumes.

99 posted on 02/13/2012 5:03:51 AM PST by lupie
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To: Gamecock
AND the issue put forth by the Prods on FR has NEVER been the rape of children by Papist clergy, but the cover-up.

Yeah, right.

But anyway, a press release from a lawyer who has a financial interest in the issue (the original post) should be taken at face value by Catholics, right? On the eve of the Obama-care birth control mandate issue?

That's why y'all get so frothing mad when people like Salvation show that your own side of the street isn't so spotless.

It also shows that protecting *the children* isn't quite at the top of your agenda.

100 posted on 02/13/2012 5:10:39 AM PST by Hacksaw
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