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American Catholicismís Pact With the Devil
Ricochet ^ | February 10, 2012 | Paul A. Rahe

Posted on 02/13/2012 11:48:10 AM PST by Petrosius

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1 posted on 02/13/2012 11:48:13 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Thank you for this post—I’ve tried to access it from the link and cannot.
Wonder if someone’s trying to block this....hmmmmm.


2 posted on 02/13/2012 11:51:26 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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devil
3 posted on 02/13/2012 11:55:34 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Petrosius
An email I just sent to Rush Limbaugh regarding his reading of this on the air:

I never thought that you would be bamboozled into the old media trick of shifting blame, but oh how you have! So, it’s the Catholic Church’s fault that the Obama administration is compelling forced abortion/concentration on the nation? That’s rich!

Have many U.S. bishops fallen prey to liberalism in the last 50 or so years? Unfortunately, they have, as have too many Americans. Yet to posit that the Church is in bed with the modern Democrat party is a joke. The Church is the only worldwide entity that stands athwart their main pillars: abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia.

By the way, the Church’s main goal is not, as you have claimed, charity. It is the saving of souls...you can look it up.

As far as Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, etc., it is also the job of the Church to call sinners back to the Faith, not to drive them away. Do I wish the aforementioned politicians were publicly excommunicated? Sure, but according to Canon Law, they have already incurred what is called latae sententiae excommunicatio, which is the same sentence, but self-imposed. It doesn’t matter where they sit in Church or even at a Papal audience; their reception of the Sacraments is illicit and can only lead them into further sin.

The author of the piece you are reading should try and find a devout Catholic parish if he wishes to hear the Faith taught in the proper way; there are many, many in this country; even right here in the liberal Northeast. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem he has tried too hard.

Rush, the new leadership of the USCCB is very much anti-socialist, as has been the Universal Church worldwide. Before you read out an indictment against a fading breed of 1960s American bishops as representative of the Church, do some research please!

There are very many conservative Catholics in this country: just look to the SCOTUS or to the many recent converts to the faith among the conservative punditry or to two of the four remaining presidential candidates.

Please, don’t fall prey to the liberal media tactic of blaming the victims. The Church, going forward, may indeed lose many, many members who wear their Catholicism like a piece of clothing to be changed and discarded at a whim, but those of the true Faith will continue to uphold and defend it, come what may.

4 posted on 02/13/2012 11:56:45 AM PST by LisaFab
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To: Petrosius

Great article. Thanks for posting


5 posted on 02/13/2012 11:58:22 AM PST by ebersole
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To: LisaFab
Rush, the new leadership of the USCCB is very much anti-socialist...

Then explain this:

Statement of Most Reverend Gerald F. Kicanas Bishop of Tucson, Arizona

Vice-President, U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops Before

The House Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law on

The Ethical Imperative for Reform of Our Immigration System

If you take the time to read the WHOLE statement you will notice how very much it sounds like a socialist manifesto.

6 posted on 02/13/2012 12:03:37 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Petrosius

bump for later


7 posted on 02/13/2012 12:04:57 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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The screeching and knashing of teeth by the Bishops, nuns, priests,etc. was more than likely due to the fact that these cheap creeps no longer want to cover insurance for the flocks' employees.

They had to find some way to get the employees on ObamaCare without these dumb people catching on.

What better way?

Another thing... whole incident changed the national conversation for one or two days from economy/jobs to healthcare for the religious.

NOW, the Dems are trotting out vacuous Jackie Kennedy's papers ... like anyone cares about her anymore except the moonbats of Massachusetts.

8 posted on 02/13/2012 12:07:44 PM PST by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN2MMuiedI&feature=related

(posted May 12, 2009!!!)


9 posted on 02/13/2012 12:14:26 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: LisaFab

I have a question. When the Catholic Church and Archbishop Dolan had their original negotiations with the dems and then supported obamacare, did they ONLY negotiate for themselves to the exclusion of all the rest of us who vehemently disagree with ALL of it?
And now it’s only Catholics who they think were betrayed? Didn’t they recognize the devil when they agreed to cover the Crucifix for obama to speak at Notre Dame?


10 posted on 02/13/2012 12:14:26 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: raybbr
If charity toward immigrants constitutes socialism, then surely Ronald Reagan was the biggest socialist of all?

All modern popes have condemned socialism (as well as capitalism without conscience).

Pope Benedict has written:

“The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person - every person - needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need. … In the end, the claim that just social structures would make works of charity superfluous masks a materialist conception of man: the mistaken notion that man can live ‘by bread alone’ (Mt 4:4; cf. Dt 8:3) - a conviction that demeans man and ultimately disregards all that is specifically human.” (Encyclical Deus Caritas Est, December 25, 2005, n. 28)

11 posted on 02/13/2012 12:20:54 PM PST by LisaFab
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It is such positions that caused Kicanas NOT to be elected head of the USCCB. As vice chairman, he was in line to be given the chairman seat. However, for the first time in many years, if at all, his position was not elevated. Dolan was made Chairman. The USCCB finally is in the hands of traditional Catholic Bishops such as Dolan of NY and Chaput of Philadelphia and quite a few others. Hopefully, it will stay in their control and continue moving back to supporting traditional Catholic positions.


12 posted on 02/13/2012 12:21:52 PM PST by CdMGuy
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He is my bishop and I can’t stand him. He is right out of the Bernadin school of thought. last year I stood up in church and asked him wha the hospitals would do if they forced abortions on the catholic churches and he was mealy mouth and gave me a non-answer. Thank God Dolan was elected head of the USCCB and not him, talk about the right man at the right time. Catholics in Tucson do not like our bishop. We spend a lot of Sunday masses praying the “Migrant Prayer”. His just releasing his statement this Sunday at our Masses tells you how wishy washy he is.


13 posted on 02/13/2012 12:26:32 PM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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Not quite as wordy but the same point.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2844361/posts


14 posted on 02/13/2012 12:28:19 PM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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Rush cited this article on his show today. Good job Rush!


15 posted on 02/13/2012 12:28:33 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: MestaMachine
I don't know about the negotiations, but as far as Notre Dame, et. al. are considered, perhaps you'd better read up on the Land O' Lakes statement of 1967. These schools haven't followed the teaching authority of the Church for 50 years.
16 posted on 02/13/2012 12:29:04 PM PST by LisaFab
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To: raybbr
California knows about immigration, and the left.

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17 posted on 02/13/2012 12:29:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: LisaFab

We need to make a distinction between the Catholic Church and the individual bishops who hold office from time to time. What the author is positing — and I support him — is that for the past 50 years the Catholic bishops in the U.S. have departed from true Catholic teaching to find a quick fix in Democrat politics. The body of the bishops, however, has a constantly changing membership. Today’s bishops are a different body than those of years past. It is to be hoped that today’s bishops wake up and reject the accommodation of their recent predecessors and return to the strong and vocal body that is their historical character.


18 posted on 02/13/2012 12:37:09 PM PST by Petrosius
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I am a staunch Catholic and a defender of my faith. But there is so much I agree with in this article. I love my Church, and I believe it is the one true Church. But the Church is made up of mortal people who are corrupt. The Church as was founded by Jesus Christ is a strong entity that has survived centuries of many heresies, trials and tribulations. But the people who make up the Church are corrupting it. I have been very distressed how only one month a year is put aside for the murder of babies. Calendars are sold, bumper stickers are handed out. And look where it’s gotten us today. Abortion is so ingrained in our culture, that even Rush Limbaugh continues to use the term “pro-choice” on his radio show. Babies are still being slaughtered by the millions 39 years after the Roe v Wade ruling. Catholic politicians openly flaunt their debauchery by going to Holy Communion and the Church says nothing.

My husband used to run a crisis pregnancy clinic next door to a notorious abortion clinic. We had problems getting volunteers to work at the clinic. Access Pregnancy, which is the official pro-life clinic of the Archdiocese (supposedly) was only a few blocks away. We asked if we could send some of the women who we could talk away from the abortion clinic to them for counselling because we were short-handed. They said no. Our clinic, because of its proximity to the abortion clinic, was the target of much harrassment by the clinic “deathscorts” that were hired by the abortionist who owned the clinic. We were told that we would get no help from any of the Right to Life counselers because they didn’t want to risk being sued. So much for caring about the killing of babies and wanting to stop it.


19 posted on 02/13/2012 12:39:46 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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I agree with your distinction. But from what I have seen from the current crop of bishops, I don’t hold out much hope for too many changes. When I see excommunications of pro-abortion, pro-homosexual Catholic in Name Only politicians, then I will hold out hope for a brighter tomorrow from the Church.


20 posted on 02/13/2012 12:43:51 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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