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WH: We Are Done Negotiating With Catholics
Creative Minority Report ^ | February 13, 2012 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 02/13/2012 4:48:03 PM PST by NYer

The great and powerful Oz has spoken, 'negotiation' time is over, time for you to ditch your silly religious beliefs and do what we say.

Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal

Despite renewed statements of concern by Catholic leaders, the Obama administration is done negotiating and will finalize its plan requiring insurance companies to provide free contraception to women working and studying at religious institutions, President Obama's chief of staff said Sunday.

Jacob Lew told "Fox News Sunday" that the compromise offered last week to address objections by the Catholic Church is clear and consistent with the president's "very deep belief that a woman has a right to all forms of preventive health care, including contraception."

"We have set out our policy," Lew said. "We are going to finalize it in the final rules, but I think what the president announced on Friday is a balanced approach that meets the concerns raised both in terms of access to health care and in terms of protecting religious liberties, and we think that's the right approach."
For all you Catholic liberals out there, this is how the Marxists you elected do 'dialogue.' I would say I told you so but...actually...

I told you so.

The only, ONLY answer is the complete destruction of the mandate and Obamacare. There is no other way.


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To: MayflowerMadam
Newsflash to all the Catholics who voted for this asshole in ‘08: Don’t worry; we evangelicals who didn’t vote for him, because we we knew what/who he was/is, will fight your fight and try to clean up the mess you helped create.

For the record there were quite a few of us Catholics shouting against this @$$ hat right from the start.

There needs to be a way to convince the Jewish population of the democRat disdain for them.

51 posted on 02/13/2012 7:19:02 PM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wmfights

I am not sure if any of the leadership is Catholic. The ones I know about weren’t.


52 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NYer

As a non-Catholic with Catholic friends and a respect
for the institution I have mixed emotions. The church
hierarchy has been in bed with liberals on various is-
sues in the past and will again be in the future so
they might be getting a little of what they deserve.

On the other hand, and more importantly, we have a
perfect example of the government acting as a wedge
between a church organization and its’ members.
That is scary and unconstitutional IMO...not good
news for anybody.

It is bothersome that so many Catholics seem to
support Obama’s so-called compromise. They miss
the point. I understand that many Catholics don’t
follow all church tenets. That is fine. But this
particular issue goes beyond the relationship be-
tween a person and his/her church. It is pure
governmental interference and it has to be resisted
whether or not one believes in cheap or free birth
control pills, abortions, or whatever.

As usual our problem is that it takes thought and
analytical skills to think like a conservative
while the opposition operates on emotion and BS
skills.


53 posted on 02/13/2012 7:33:38 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Morgana
Amen...
54 posted on 02/13/2012 7:37:08 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NYer
Hello! The Catholic Army is up and ready!

WH: We Are Done Negotiating With Catholics
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Obama's anti-religious implosion
Lew: Obama's latest stance on birth-control mandate final, puts issue to rest (CAPTION)
Pat Buchanan: 'Obama is trampling on God's turf' (Video)
W.H. official: Contraceptive rule stands
Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal
Bishops Reject White House’s New Plan on Contraception (Obama continues his "War On Religion")
Faith/Pro-Life Leaders to Challenge Mandate by Praying and Risking Arrest in Front of the WH
Catholic Bishops: Don't Revise, Rescind
Obama's contempt for the Constitution
How the Catholic Church Became Cool Overnight

Chuck Colson Reacts to Obama’s “Compromise” on Required Abortion Care for Church Employees
US Bishops: Obama's 'Compromise' Has No Clear Protection...(Needless Government Intrusion)
Protests Continue Over Insurance for Contraception, Abortifacients (Feds Under Increasing Pressure
Bishops to Obama: No dice
Paul VI: “danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities ...”
Michael Moore Goes On Anti-Catholic Twitter Rant, Distorts Contraception Debate
Religious controversy burns Obama again (the rookie Hussein is in WAY over his pay grade)
Another Catholic college vows it will ‘not violate conscience’ on Obama mandate
Lutherans join chorus of voices slamming HHS contraceptive mandate
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Hannity on now with Priests, Pastors and Rabbis. Please watch
EDITORIAL: Obama’s free abortion pills
U.S. bishops ‘express concerns’ about Obama mandate ‘accommodation’
What Compromise? This Policy Leaves Religious Liberty in Peril and Planned Parenthood Smiling (Albert Mohler Opinion)
Bishops Renew Call To Legislative Action On Religious Liberty
Southern Baptist leader: Obama gave Christians ‘the dismissive back’ of his hand
Obama's Act of Tyranny
Bishops Were Prepared for Battle Over Birth Control Coverage
'Accounting gimmick' -- Obama compromise still threatens religious liberty, leaders say
Bishops ‘concerned’ over reworded mandate; other Catholic leaders slam as ‘insult to injury’
Obama Bows to Pressure, but His Religious 'Accommodation' Even Worse

Don't Be Deceived! Evil Obama Policy Now Even MORE Evil!
Obama’s Contraceptive 'Compromise' Doesn't Pass the Smell Test ("It doesn't change a thing")
Compromise or Accommodation, it’s still unacceptable. (updated from Catholic Vote)
Pres. Obama’s “Plan B” compromise, Sr. Keehan, and the Magisterium of Nuns
Land Says Obama Mandate Most Anti-Catholic Government Action in 150 Years
Motive, Means and Opportunity: Obama’s Assault on Catholics
(Exempt Catholics) Joe Biden, Bill Daley warned of contraceptive backlash
(Tim) Thomas makes second political statement (Stands With Catholics)
Southern Baptist leader: If Obama mandate isn’t changed, Christians will go to jail
Over 150 congressional leaders demand repeal of HHS mandate
Boehner vows to overturn Obama’s birth control coverage rule
Boehner: Congress to overturn birth control policy if Obama does not reverse course
O'Brien says Archdiocese of Baltimore won't offer birth control coverage
Archbishop of San Francisco says Obama ruling strikes at religious freedom
How Obama Lost the Catholic Vote
‘I am going to stick with fellow Catholics’ in Pres. Obama’s war on Catholics. Wherein Fr. Z rants.
Unholy War
Six Things Everyone Should Know about the HHS Mandate
Santorum: Obama Hostile to Christians
Understanding Oppostion to the HHS Mandate (Part 1): Why the Church Won’t Pay for Contracept

The Bishops Chickens Coming Home to Roost.
65 Orthodox Church bishops call on Obama to ‘rescind’ the ‘unjust’ contraception mandate
Doug Kmiec Writes Obama: 'Friendship Will Not Permit Me to Disregard Duty to Faith and Country'
Catholic Outcry Over Obama Administration's Birth Control Decision Could Factor In Presidential Race
Standing with the Bishops [Catholic Caucus]
Updated: *167* Bishops (More Than 90% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate
Outrage!… Military Tells Chaplains What They Can and Can’t Say About HHS/ObamaAssault on Religion
Updated: *153* Bishops (Over 80% of Dioceses) Have Spoken Out Against Obama/HHS Mandate
An Affront Catholics Agree On [Liberal and Conservative Catholics Against Obama Mandate]
Army Silenced Chaplains Last Sunday
Catholic Military Archdiocese & Chaplains interfered with last Sunday by Pres. Obama’s Admin
The Anti-Catholic President v. the Catholic Bishops
Sen. Rubio introduces bill to reverse Obama birth control mandate
Churches balk at birth control rule - Catholics won’t comply, Bishop Kevin Rhoades says
Protestants and Jews declare to White House: We stand with Catholics
Checking the Air Outside [Bp. Zubik's follow up to Obama's “To Hell with You”]
Mohler [Southern Baptist] Says Insurance Mandate Not Just 'Catholic' Issue
An Open Letter to President Barack Obama Concerning Recent Tyranny (With Pictures!)
Lincoln bishop: prepare for 'suffering' under HHS mandate
Bishop David Zubik confronts Obama
Obama’s ‘war on the church’

Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Bruskewitz: Fight Insurance Ruling [Sebelius a "bitter, fallen away Catholic"]
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict
Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate
Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
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Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

55 posted on 02/13/2012 8:04:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Army Air Corps

I agree with you and up you 10!


56 posted on 02/13/2012 8:06:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Logical me
You need to check these out!

Catholics hear anti-Obama letter in church (Some idiots wanted "change" so they got it)
Has Obama Lost the Catholic Left?

Obama won the overall religious vote, 52 percent to 46 percent, reversing President George W. Bush’s 51 percent to 48 percent “values voter” victory over Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry in 2004. Obama also won the Catholic vote, persuaded young evangelical voters to choose him and began to squeeze shut the so-called “God gap” yawning between religious Democrats and Republicans during the Bush era.

How will the roughly 9.1 million evangelical Christians who voted for Obama vote in the next election? Will Obama's actions compel the 31.2 million evangelicals who didn't vote in the 2008 election to vote next time?

Obama Receives 77% of Jewish Vote-- More Than Kerry
White US Catholics move toward GOP, Hispanic Catholics toward Democrats
Among Catholics, Obama job approval rating decreases to 50 percent

57 posted on 02/13/2012 8:07:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Logical me
And then be honest along with being logical!

50 percent of Catholics (Catholics make up about 22 percent of the U.S. population.) approve of his presidency, down from 67 percent in his first six months in office.
DOWN 17 POINTS
 
among non-Catholic Christians, who make up 55 percent of the U.S. population, had fallen from 58 percent to 43 percent.
DOWN 15 POINTS
 
Mormon respondents, who represent about two percent of U.S. adults, fell from 43 percent to 26 percent
DOWN 17 POINTS
 
About 78 percent of Muslim respondents approved of the Obama presidency, down eight percentage points from when the question was first asked.  (86)
DOWN 8 POINTS
 
atheists, agnostics, and members of other non-Christian religions, who comprise about 13 percent of the U.S. population -- While about 75 percent of these respondents approved of President Obama at the start of his term, their approval declined to about 64 percent.
DOWN 11 POINTS
 
Jews were the religious group third likeliest to approve of President Obama, giving him 61 percent approval. This too is a decline: in January-June 2009, their approval rating of the president was 77 percent.
DOWN 16 POINTS
 
Overall, 48 percent of Americans approve of President Obama’s job, down from 63 percent in the first months of his presidency. Gallup claims that its survey of over 276,000 adults claims an overall margin of error of plus or minus one percent.
DOWN 15 POINTS


 
 
 
 

58 posted on 02/13/2012 8:08:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Bishops to Obama:
“We’re done negotiating with liars!”


59 posted on 02/13/2012 8:08:29 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: mosesdapoet
Population control?

 

“The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or  if not, how he knows he is not.” [1925]

~~G. K. Chesterton

 


60 posted on 02/13/2012 8:12:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

I’d like to see the Baptists,the Jews, yes the Muslims and all the other Christian peoples vote this jerk out....they all claim to have these traditional values yet when it comes to electing someone, they vote like heretics.


61 posted on 02/13/2012 8:13:06 PM PST by cherry
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To: Salvation

50 percent of Catholics (Catholics make up about 22 percent of the U.S. population.) approve of his presidency...

The fact it is that high is simply a disgrace. Idiots!

62 posted on 02/13/2012 8:17:55 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Robwin

there were higher percentages in other denominations. Why are you picking on the Catholics?

Or maybe I should say, “Why aren’t you standing with the Catholics against Obama on this contraception and constitutional issue?

Shame.


63 posted on 02/13/2012 8:44:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marron

If you have been lostening to Hilary, she has replaced “Religious freedom,” with “freedom of religious worship.” Saudi Arabia has “freedom of worship.” Christians can worship there if they lock the doors and don’t do anything in public.


64 posted on 02/13/2012 10:28:11 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wmfights

Liberals have long wanted to take over the Catholic Church as they took over the Episcopal Church. Sr. Keehan is an example of this type of Catholic. Plus you have the temporizing kind like Fr. Jenkins.


65 posted on 02/13/2012 10:33:25 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: aruanan
That won't be a negotiation. It will be a summary dismissal.

That's my prayer; for Obama, and a large number of Democrats in the House and Senate!

66 posted on 02/13/2012 10:45:13 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Army Air Corps

Not only agree, but know it to be true. In Jesus name....


67 posted on 02/13/2012 11:13:47 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: wolf24

Where did you get that? It actually brings tears to my eyes! I want to download that


68 posted on 02/13/2012 11:15:58 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (Under Romney's Governorship, MA. was the birthplace of gay marriage & socialized medicine in America)
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To: ought-six
Eagles UP!, then. (Against these God-less bastards, these agents of Satan):


69 posted on 02/13/2012 11:22:19 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum is worth a good second look, my friends. Why is it the media and White House hate him so?)
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To: NYer

Well I heard Cardinal-to-be Timothy Dolan on Sunday night pretty much on Father Benedict Grouchel saying the same thing when he said he did not trust Mr. Obama at all.


70 posted on 02/14/2012 2:58:35 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Logical me

“Ha Ha! Catholics got what they voted for. Our King and dictator has spoken with all the authority of Lucifer.”

Bush cookies. I voted for McPain. How’d I get what I voted for?


71 posted on 02/14/2012 3:20:19 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: NYer
Obama's about to find something out:

GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED!

72 posted on 02/14/2012 3:23:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Yes, I am THAT Conservative.)
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To: sayuncledave
Bush cookies.

Bush cookies?

BUSH COOKIES??!?

I'm Gobsmacked.

Gobsmacked.

Unununium. Unununium.

73 posted on 02/14/2012 3:33:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (Yes, I am THAT Conservative.)
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To: NYer

Now that he’s done with Catholics, Sheik Obama (peas be upon him) can give his full attention to giving Muslims what they want.


74 posted on 02/14/2012 3:41:23 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: verga

“there were quite a few of us Catholics shouting against this @$$ hat right from the start.”

Absolutely. That’s why I addressed just those who voted for Hussein.

As for the Jewish people, I don’t think they’ll ever get it, in spite of the fact that the conservatives are on their side, and the democrats hate Israel. How blind can they be? Stunning. I think the answer is that American Jews aren’t all that Jewish, and the fate of Israel isn’t really an issue for them. We have good friends who are Jewish and we (Baptists) are infinitely more pro-Israel than they are.


75 posted on 02/14/2012 5:33:53 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: NYer
There's a huge irony in all of this which I hope has not gone unnoticed. Obama has actually done the Catholic Church a rather large favor.

As a result of this controversy, substantial numbers of Catholics will have heard, for the first time in 40 or 50 years, that their Church actually opposes artificial contraception and abortion.

Their priests and bishops keep silent on the issue and hoped it would go away but it took a Kenyan communist to bring it to their attention.

Whatever it takes.

God does indeed move in mysterious ways.

76 posted on 02/14/2012 6:45:31 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: RobbyS
Liberals have long wanted to take over the Catholic Church as they took over the Episcopal Church.

I disagree. I think the opposite is true. The conservatives have been trying to gain control but the liberals are in charge and have been for a very long time. One of the advantages of being an Evangelical Christian is we do not have an elevated priesthood, or hierarchy, that demands obedience. As a result when liberals gain control of a church we either force them to change and if we can't we leave and reassemble with other Biblical Christians.

It seems to me that for RC's in America and the leaders of your church you are at a crossroads. I hope for America's sake the conservatives are able to win the day in your church. I doubt it though because of the way your church is organized.

77 posted on 02/14/2012 8:01:43 AM PST by wmfights
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To: MayflowerMadam
I am relieved to see that some evangelicals are willing to side with the RCC on this matter. There are some rabid anti-Catholics that do not understand that this is a matter of religious freedom and not contraception and/or abortion.

:If Obozo and his minions can do this to one group then attacks on other Christians will not be far behind.

78 posted on 02/14/2012 8:07:50 AM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wmfights

-—I doubt it though because of the way your church is organized.——

Well, it’s survived for 2000 years, claims 1,000,000,000 adherents, possesses a non-contradictory body of doctrine, and an unbroken line of apostolic successors.


79 posted on 02/14/2012 8:09:26 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: NYer

Catholics lack discernment. What do you expect?


80 posted on 02/14/2012 8:12:04 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Well, it’s survived for 2000 years, claims...

Talk about missing the point, WOW.

81 posted on 02/14/2012 8:16:01 AM PST by wmfights
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To: AmericanInTokyo

When I was in government school, the Crusaders were the evil conquerors of the peace-loving Mohammedans, who were led by Saladin, the lover of peace.

Finally, the fog is beginning to lift.


82 posted on 02/14/2012 8:17:15 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: marshmallow

—— As a result of this controversy, substantial numbers of Catholics will have heard, for the first time in 40 or 50 years, that their Church actually opposes artificial contraception and abortion.-—

Maybe abortion, but never contraception. It isn’t difficult to preach against, either. It’s just that no one has heard the argument.


83 posted on 02/14/2012 8:22:42 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: wmfights

Explicame, por favor.


84 posted on 02/14/2012 8:29:30 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: wmfights

You and I don’t mean the same thing by liberalism. I am talking about theological liberalism, and while John Ryan and even more radical people like Dorothy Day, were politically liberal, they were not theological liberals. Theological liberals are more commonly called modernists, who reject traditional Christianity, the “mere Christianity” of which C.C. Lewis spoke. Nor were Ryan and Catholics like George Meany, socialists, which is the political side of the modernist’s coin. More undercover than not, for modernists dissemble with the same ease as our President, the modernists took important positions in the Church and even in the clergy. But their drive to Power was checked by John Paul II. But they had hopes they could outlast him, only to be frustrated by Benedict XVI, who had added another six years to trying to roll-back the tide.


85 posted on 02/14/2012 11:56:46 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: verga

“I am relieved to see that some evangelicals are willing to side with the RCC on this matter.”

Of course we’ll side with the RCC on this matter, or any other matter where their freedoms are compromised. Sadly, the media, including Fox, is not covering this for what it truly is, i.e., the assult on religion, to any great extent. When it is mentioned, it’s always secondary to the subject of Catholics and contraception. “Catholics and contraception” is NOT the issue; the issue is having our freedoms revoked by a dictator. Once in a while you’ll see Mr. Land from the SBC being interviewed, but not much.

I don’t know any evangelical who isn’t livid and completely up in arms about this, and most of the people I know are evangelicals. Face it; the reason the Mayflower sailed was because the king was dictating how to practice, or not practice, religion in England. There were no Catholics. They were all evangelicals, from 1620 thru 1776, and many lives and fortunes were sacrificed so Americans could practice ALL religions freely. Evangelicals have a vested interest in maintaining the result of sacrifices, and to have this horrible Muslim come in and tell ANY religion what they can and can’t do is unthinkable!

When the infobabes on Fox introduce the next segments as “the contraception issue”, I’m screaming “It’s the “loss of religious freedom issue’!”.

OK; I’m done. (I feel better.) :)


86 posted on 02/14/2012 2:05:00 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: cricket

Maybe Obama will have to attack all the special-interest groups one by one in order for the majority of citizens to “get it.”


87 posted on 02/14/2012 2:16:24 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Of course many still won’t get it. They will only know whether their special-interest group won or lost. They still won’t bother to think about the issue of liberty.


88 posted on 02/14/2012 2:18:38 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RobbyS
You and I don’t mean the same thing by liberalism. I am talking about theological liberalism, and while John Ryan and even more radical people like Dorothy Day, were politically liberal, they were not theological liberals.

The issue at hand has nothing to do with theological viewpoints. It is a question of State interference in religious institutions. I have no desire to discuss your church's dogmas. I already know what your church teaches.

89 posted on 02/14/2012 2:21:16 PM PST by wmfights
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To: NYer

Now if only the Catholics would stop negotiating with the WH...


90 posted on 02/14/2012 2:29:11 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: wmfights

Of course it does. The Church’s political posture during the ‘30s put them on the side of Catholic Union leaders who were trying to prevent Communists from taking over the Unions. They were joined in this by more moderate radicals like Walter Reuther. The Unions generally supported the Democratic Party. The Anti-Communist forces were able to defeat the Communists. Indeed, Catholic social doctrines going back to the French Revolution was concerned about the state being hostile to the Church. In America, we had to fight Protestant anti-Catholicism. This allied the Church with the urban pols etc. who were part of the Democratric Coalition. Southerners were anti-Catholic, but the Republican Party was militantly anti-Catholic. The Blaine Amendment was an effort to deny state aid to Catholics that was routinely given to Protestants.

Here is where the theological liberalism comes in: in the ‘60s, many Catholics bought into the Sexual Revolution and there was also a major buy=in to the Great Society program. Johnson gave the Church the public aid that had been denied them. Liberal Catholics abandoned their concern for saving their souls and bought into a more “Jewish” notion of transforming society. At the extreme is the development of Liberation theology, which is an attempt to bridge Catholic and marxist views of the world. Lay Catholics rejected the position of the pope on birth control because their bishops and priests became quiet on the issue. Roe v. Wade forced their hand, because it was —like this new move by Obama— an overreach. So, contraceptives, OK; abortion no. The bishops were now between a rock and a hard place. Bernardin formulated a position that gave lip service to abortion while maintaining liberal ties to the Democratic Party. His kind was also forced into an alliance with the Moral Majority, but was not comfortable with Evangelicals. So at bottom is a question of moral theology:


91 posted on 02/14/2012 4:35:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: marshmallow
As a result of this controversy, substantial numbers of Catholics will have heard, for the first time in 40 or 50 years, that their Church actually opposes artificial contraception and abortion.
God does indeed move in mysterious ways.

Indeed He does.

92 posted on 02/14/2012 5:07:14 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Anti-Hillary
Here is a link and the story behind the painting.

Interesting.

93 posted on 02/14/2012 8:49:45 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Logical me

HEY. I never voted for the obozo, nor did 48% of Catholic voters. For that matter, the Catholic liberals who did vote for this fool kicked us in the teeth too and now they are getting kicked in turn. And, don’t forget that the 52% who voted for him were just 13% of the electorate — the majority of those who elected the fool are non-Catholics.


94 posted on 02/15/2012 1:36:14 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: MayflowerMadam

“There were no Catholics. They were all evangelicals, from 1620 thru 1776, and many lives and fortunes were sacrificed so Americans could practice ALL religions freely.”

Then why did George Washington feel the need to address Catholics, especially in recognition that the independence came after the intervention of Catholic (pre-Revolutionary) France?


95 posted on 02/15/2012 5:10:45 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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I didn’t say that Catholics didn’t exist. I meant that there were none involved in the start-up of the American Republic. Sheesh.


96 posted on 02/16/2012 5:20:15 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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