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Mormonism Obsessed with Christ
First Things ^ | February 14, 2012 | Stephen H. Webb

Posted on 02/14/2012 7:11:25 AM PST by C19fan

Mocking Mormonism is one of the last frontiers of verbal lawlessness to be untouched by the vigilante powers of political correctness. What other group is ridiculed equally by Christians and secularists—and not just any kind of Christian or secularist but the most fervent and hard core? Fervent Christians see in Mormonism a mirror distorting their own faith, reflecting an image strangely recognizable yet recognizably strange. Hard-core secularists think Mormonism is the best example of the strangeness and danger inherent in all religious belief. Deriding Mormonism pulls off the neat trick of making the devout and the godless feel as if they are on the same side.

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The Jesus Mormons claim to love is not the Jesus of the Bible and elaborated by 2,000 years of doctrine and theology.
1 posted on 02/14/2012 7:11:27 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Obsessed with Jesus=good

Obsessed with Smith=bad

2 posted on 02/14/2012 7:31:53 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: C19fan

Mormons are not our problem.

Muslims are our problem.

One question: if you could eliminate Mohammed or Smith from history, which would you pick in order to save millions of lives?


3 posted on 02/14/2012 7:42:21 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: C19fan

“by adding the Book of Mormon to the Bible—and that makes it much less than Christianity as well. Nevertheless, the fact that Mormonism adds to the traditional Christian story

does not necessarily mean that it detracts from Christianity to the point of denying it altogether.”

OH YES IT DOES!

Revelation 22:
18 For[i] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


4 posted on 02/14/2012 7:43:19 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Manic_Episode

yes


5 posted on 02/14/2012 7:47:54 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: C19fan

“Mocking Mormonism” is “verbal lawlessness”? Wow. You normally don’t see that kind of pomposity outside of hollywood.

“The mormon court has found you guilty of verbal lawlessness. Your sentence is to listen to two mormon missionaries for an hour.”

“I beg for mercy! Please execute me instead!”


6 posted on 02/14/2012 7:50:15 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: C19fan

Mormons are less obsessed with worshiping Christ than becoming Christ.


7 posted on 02/14/2012 7:53:35 AM PST by matthew fuller (Daniel Hannan is a better "American Citizen" than any Democrat and many Republicans.)
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To: faucetman

You know, I agree with you that you can’t just add your own “gospel” to the Bible and then call yourself Christian. However, that verse you cite is a pet peeve of mine because it’s so often misused in these circumstances. It doesn’t say anything about adding to the Bible, because the “book of prophecy” it is referring to is only the Revelation of John, not the Old or New Testaments. The New Testament wasn’t even collected as one volume at that point, so reading the verse in that context is nonsensical.


8 posted on 02/14/2012 7:55:31 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: faucetman

>> this book <<

How can we know if this term refers to the whole Bible? Or just to the Book of Revelation?


9 posted on 02/14/2012 7:56:45 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: C19fan

“verbal lawlessness”. No 1st Amendment for You!


10 posted on 02/14/2012 8:07:27 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: C19fan

History tells us that various civilizations explain God in varying ways, each explanation varying from others in various ways; and humans fight over said variations … in varying ways.
Personally, I think that some power exists out there that is beyond man’s comprehension, and that humans fighting over said power is not in that power’s interests.
Deo gratias


11 posted on 02/14/2012 8:09:18 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: Da Coyote
I always get a kick out of secularists riding to the mormon's rescue.

First, islam isn't claiming to be a complete restoration of Christianity like mormonism. Mormonism claims that ALL of Christianity was lost, that we're all apostates, Whores of Babylon, that Christ lied.

They claim that God and Jesus visited JS in a secret grove claiming all of this and more. Again, claiming that God lied when He said that upon His return, the WHOLE world would know, He wouldn't meet in secret with some 15 or whatever year old conman and thief.

Second, islam is known for what it is, mormonism otoh has done a very fine job of disguising just what it's really all about. That one's salvation has to be EARNED, but one never will truly know it it's been earned because they have to do all of this "work" and then hope that when they get to heaven, the mormon christ will decide to "pay off any balance owed".

Third, islam at least, minimally recognizes the divinity of Christ, where mormonism otoh, relegates Christ to just another man, who was conceived through physical relations.

Fourth, the mormon christ, upon his resurrection, is a murderous savage, not a loving redeemer. He's an OT style judge, slaughtering millions of people and destroying around 16 cities. See:

3 Nephi 8

3 Nephi 9

Lastly, mormonism deceives its followers into minimizing the saving grace of Christ. They teach and perform pagan rituals in their temples, claiming that without those rituals, there is no exaltation. Without exaltation, there is no dwelling in the presence of the mormon god and no chance to become a god themselves to rule over their planet, engaged in eternal, celestial polygamous sex in order to populate said planet.

Sorry, but mormonism is a problem, it's a problem for any right believing Christian who sees the danger posed to one's soul by mormonism. The teachings and doctrines are insidiously hidden, to deceive. Islam is what it is, any fool who becomes a muslim knows exactly what they're getting into. Mormonism is a "milk before meat" religion, hides most of the unpalatable aspects until one is firmly committed.

12 posted on 02/14/2012 8:09:43 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Da Coyote

Couldn’t it be both?


13 posted on 02/14/2012 8:14:43 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Da Coyote

“Muslims are our problem.”

False teaching is a bigger problem to me because it has eternal consequences. Anytime someone exposes false teachings, whether it’s mormonism or islam, with the goal of bringing others to a saving knowledge of the Biblical Jesus Christ it should be applauded....

Not sure why you have a problem with that.


14 posted on 02/14/2012 8:16:34 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: faucetman
If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues

So I guess we should have stopped at Deuteronomy?

"You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deut 4:2

15 posted on 02/14/2012 8:23:02 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Da Coyote
One question: if you could eliminate Mohammed or Smith from history, which would you pick in order to save millions of lives?

A question I often ponder.

My short list is
1. Mohamed
2. Hitler
3. Ted Kennedy

16 posted on 02/14/2012 8:32:36 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: C19fan

I’m old enough to remember a time that it was considered equally chic and fashionable to hate Roman Catholics. It is basically the same crowd with a different target.


17 posted on 02/14/2012 8:32:44 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: C19fan; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
From the article:

Mormons are so materialistic that they insist that the same unchanging laws govern both the natural and the supernatural. They also deny the virgin birth, since their materialism leads them to speculate that Jesus is literally begotten by the immortal Father rather than conceived by the Holy Spirit.

By treating the spiritual as a dimension of the material, Smith overcomes every trace of dualism between this world and the next. Matter is perfectible because it is one of the perfections of the divine. Even heaven is merely another kind of galaxy, far away but not radically different from planet earth. For Mormons, our natural loyalties and loves have an eternal significance, which is why marriages will be preserved in heaven. Our bodies are literally temples of the divine, which is why Mormons wear sacred garments underneath regular clothing.

This should not be taken lightly. The Mormon metaphysic calls for the revision of nearly every Christian belief. Still, not all heresies are equally perilous. If Gnosticism is the paradigmatic modern temptation—spiritualizing Jesus by turning him into a subjective experience—Mormonism runs in the exact opposite direction. If you had to choose between a Jesus whose body is eternal and a Jesus whose divinity is trivial (as in many modern theological portraits), I hope it would be an easy choice.
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“The Mormon metaphysic calls for the revision of nearly every Christian belief”.
Yet mormons demand that Christians accept them as Christian. What’s wrong with this picture?


18 posted on 02/14/2012 8:33:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: SZonian
Islam is what it is, any fool who becomes a muslim knows exactly what they're getting into. Mormonism is a "milk before meat" religion, hides most of the unpalatable aspects until one is firmly committed.

Excellent point.

19 posted on 02/14/2012 8:39:02 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: greyfoxx39

If Romney becomes the front runner and the nominee then the darkness of Mormonism and all that it entails will be brought to light for everyone to see. Romney’s nomination could be the death knell of Mormonism.


20 posted on 02/14/2012 8:39:38 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Regret Anything Because At One Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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To: Da Coyote

If this thread were about which is a greater threat mormonism or islam your point would be well taken.
However, because its not its not.


21 posted on 02/14/2012 8:39:58 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: C19fan
Mormonism is obsessed with Christ, and everything that it teaches is meant to awaken, encourage, and expand faith in him. It adds to the plural but coherent portrait of Jesus that emerges from the four gospels in a way, I am convinced, that does not significantly damage or deface that portrait.

It is a different Christ, a false Christ. Jesus Christ and the Father are one. Not one in purpose, but one God, not different gods, as the Mormons teach. Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16), not a god manifest in the flesh, as Joseph Smith revealed. Jesus Christ is not an exalted man (neither is God the Father an exalted man), but very God, God from everlasting, the Creator, not a creature, not a created being.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was not God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD, and beside me their is no saviour. (Isaiah 43:10,11)
And:
Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

No need to read between the lines to see that Isaiah is revealing the Godhead here.

Without very Christ, Mormons do not have God. (1 John 2:23). And this fact shows in Joseph Smith's authorizing vision where he says he sees the Son and the Father. He says God the Father spoke to him. Jesus Christ himself says

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18)
And Paul writes:
"In whom we have redemption in his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." (1 Colossians 1:15)

The author's hyper-intellectual philosophical analyses aside, the question remains who did Joseph Smith see and hear. It wasn't God the Father, for he is invisible and a Spirit, not corporal: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24). The Mormon Christ is a false Christ, and the deceiver wants to take as many souls with him to hell as he can. What better way than to offer a counterfeit, dress it up in the trappings of Christianity.

I'm researching why Mormon's detest the cross! They've gone to great lengths to pervert the atonement account, claiming that Christ's suffering and bleeding in the garden in Gesthemane is what atoned for our sin. (re: Luke 22:44 -- He didn't "bleed"--it's a simile). Game over so soon? Not quite. The sacrificial victim must die first before his blood is used for the purging. (Remember how we are enjoined not to consume the blood of animals, but the life is in the blood?) The Bible says in stark contrast:

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Galatians 3:13)
It is no small difference that Jesus was sacrificed "outside the camp" (not within the city gates -- i.e. Gesthemane).
Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gates. (Hebrews 13:12)

Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

The blood smattered image of Christ is the only true portrait. The other is a fake. (Must end here).

22 posted on 02/14/2012 8:42:04 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Vigilanteman

I’m also old enough to live in a time where Mormons “hate” Christians. Mormon leaders have the nerve to state that Christian churches are evil and don’t have the truth. Mormons claim that ALL Christians are apostate and can’t advance to the highest level of paradise without accepting the teachings of Mormonism...

How “hateful” of them.....


23 posted on 02/14/2012 8:45:45 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: Vigilanteman

Who hates mormons? Name names. show post numbers.


24 posted on 02/14/2012 8:46:03 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Da Coyote

“Mormons are not our problem. Muslims are our problem.”

False religions are a problem for Christians. If you excuse yourself, no problem. Your call.

“if you could eliminate Mohammed or Smith from history, which would you pick in order to save millions of lives?”

BOTH will send millions to Hell. Your choice is a false choice, unless again, you only care about the tiny lifespan people spend on earth, which is a false argument of reductionism. I care about both heaven and earth.


25 posted on 02/14/2012 8:47:28 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldn’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: SkyDancer

You are correct, mormonism will be laid bare.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 8:52:50 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum
Some folks can't multitask. Fotunately for souls that maybe lost to either Islam or the LDS there are those of us who can...
27 posted on 02/14/2012 8:59:45 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Um, no.


28 posted on 02/14/2012 9:01:43 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Boogieman

We are on the same side on this one so this is not a nasty challenge. God has admonished against adding or taking away from his word throughout the OT & the NT. I think it is a mistake to think that the revelation from Jesus to John was solely for the book of revelation and not a reiteration of a constant theme.

You COULD read it so narrowly as to apply only to the book of revelation but IMO it makes much more sense to apply it to the NT as a whole.


29 posted on 02/14/2012 9:04:01 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Boogieman

Galatians 1: 6-12 (specifically verse 8 and 9 )

8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

9 “As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

* handles islam and mormonism


30 posted on 02/14/2012 9:12:58 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: nonsporting

It is a different Christ, a false Christ. . . . . . .

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Lets see, the Mormons worship The Christ that was born of Mary in Bethlehem. The one that turned water into wine, the one that was baptized by John, the one that was judged by Pilot and Herod and punished by Pilot. The one that was whipped nearly to death, was made to carry His cross to Golgotha, where he was cruelly crucified but was not killed but where he gave up His Spirit to God from where it came. The same Jesus that was resurrected on Easter Morning and was seen by Mary and then the 12 and eventually seen by over 500 who saw Him ascend into Heaven. The same Jesus Christ is willing to save us all from our sins that would otherwise doom us to everlasting Hell. Thats the Jesus the Mormons worship, you worship a different Jesus?

I know the Mormons have different beliefs but I know also that they worship the same Jesus Christ that I know. Maybe some of their beliefs are wrong, maybe not but they worship Christ. They may not be “traditional Christians” but they follow Christ to the best of their ability. They love The Lord.

My wife is one of them, if she doesn’t love The Lord then nobody does.

The ridicule I see here to me reeks of hate, this odor should never come from Christians.


31 posted on 02/14/2012 9:39:27 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
The BoM states quite clearly that Christ was born in Jerusalem, Alma 7:10

Although, many mormons will go into all kinds of contortions attempting to explain what the passage "really" means. That Jerusalem, as described in the BoM is comparable to a county and that Bethlehem is a town in said county, therefore, there is no conflict.

Yeah, right. As to the behavior of Christ in the BoM:

3 Nephi 8

3 Nephi 9

I'm not too convinced that the mormon christ as described, is the same as described in the Bible, entirely different behavior upon the resurrection.

Did Christ lie when He stated that upon His return, the whole world would know? Where does it state He would meet in secret with a teenage conman, thief and storyteller?

The mormon christ is only able to "save" after a mormon has gone through all of the rituals in the temple, has accepted and performed all of their callings in an acceptable manner, etc.

AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO. That is the precept that mormonism teaches that is incompatible with the Biblical adomonition found in John 6:28-29. Why then, do the mormons have to take out endowments in the temple using pagan rituals that are not found in either the Bible or the BoM? Why then, is the mormon god exclusionary this way? Why is it acceptable for a woman's fate to be inextricably tied to the whims or desires of her husband? That if he chooses not to call her secret name at the veil, she can be forbidden from entering into the celestial kingdom to dwell in the presence of the mormon god?

Is Jesus a liar, again?

32 posted on 02/14/2012 10:02:19 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: JAKraig

Mormons believe that Jesus is a finite being who was created at some point in time, used to be a man, and had to earn his “divinity”. Mormons don’t believe that Jesus is the one and only God, but instead one of many gods, who happened to be chosen by a council of gods to reign over Earth.

That view is entirely different from Christians who recognize Christ as eternally the one, true God.

Mormons diminish the view of Jesus by ascribing finite attributes to him.


33 posted on 02/14/2012 10:10:33 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: JAKraig

mormonism teaches a christ that was born because the lds god had sexual intercourse with Mary
mormonism teaches that a christ paid the price in the garden and discount the Cross
mormonism teaches a created christ not an eternal Christ
mormonism teaches that a god was once a man and progressed to godhood not an eternal God
mormonism teaches that a chirst is not sufficient for salvation, salvation must be worked for with no assurance
mormonism does not teach about hell only levels of celestial being
mormonism teaches that man can become gods of their own planets
mormonism teaches that women do not progress to a celestial level without their husbands
mormonism does not in any fashion teach a Biblical Christ


34 posted on 02/14/2012 10:16:25 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: JAKraig
Ah the old hate defense...

I see in your list you left off the brother of Satan, born of a physical sex act between god and Mary, sacrifice not being totally sufficient, being one of many gods, etc.

Pretty significant stuff that...

So as a Christian I guess you ignore the guidance to call out false teachers and false Christs. I also would be accurate in stating that you have issues with the call to defend the faith.

To pick and choose. Must be nice.

Well maybe not in the end...

I still do find it interesting that you yourself are not Mormon...

35 posted on 02/14/2012 10:17:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: JAKraig; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
The ridicule I see here to me reeks of hate, this odor should never come from Christians.

We find it hilarious that you mormon defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that your leaders are bragging about the following:

We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals

"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy

."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).

Preparing the World for the Second Coming-LDS.org, April 2011

Anyone who believes that Romney isn't fully immersed in this doctrine and the Law of Consecration is a fool: The Law of Consecration is considered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a "celestial law." That is, people who are living lives dedicated to the service of God, such that at judgment they would be assigned to the Celestial Kingdom, should be able and expected to live the Law of Consecration. The Law of Consecration is that, if necessary or requested, a person would give everything he has for the building up of the Kingdom of God on Earth. He would be willing to wholeheartedly give of his time, talents, and resources. Thus, the person is "consecrating" all his personal resources to the Lord.

“The law of consecration,” said Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, “is that we consecrate our time, our talents, and our money and property to the cause of the Church; such are to be available to the extent they are needed to further the Lord’s interests on earth.” Mormon Temple Covenants

So, whine away. The exposure you provide enables us to post more information that many FReepers and lurkers have not seen about the beliefs of mormons, including Romney.

36 posted on 02/14/2012 10:31:31 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: C19fan

I’m disappointed to see an article like this in First Things. I was a subscriber from the first issue, but I dropped it a year or two after the current editor took over, because regretably it just wasn’t the same.

Mormons are the only religion mocked and scorned by Christians and atheists alike, and there are no objections from the politically correct? Surely the editor must know that the religion most scorned by Christians, atheists, and the politically correct is Catholicism? Not all Christians, of course, but as we see here in the forum there are plenty of Christians who make it a primary business to attack the Church. And as we saw at the recent Grammy show, it’s not Mormons that Hollywood most likes to attack.

The article also is curious because it does a constant shuffle dance. Mormons love Christ. But their Christ is not the same as the Christian Christ. Well, yes.

So what is the point? No, the LDS is not the same kind of problem as Islam, obviously. But it is not Christian. And it shares with Islam a habit of changing the basic facts of the Bible and of history. I hope that Christians can get along with Mormons and work with them against some of the crimes of the secular culture. But we need to recognize our differences, to do so.


37 posted on 02/14/2012 10:42:31 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: C19fan
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Mormons claim to be the "restored church" but look how they dismiss Christ's sacrifice and replace it with personal atonement.

38 posted on 02/14/2012 10:47:15 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: JAKraig

“I know the Mormons have different beliefs but I know also that they worship the same Jesus Christ that I know. Maybe some of their beliefs are wrong, maybe not but they worship Christ. They may not be “traditional Christians” but they follow Christ to the best of their ability. They love The Lord.”

So you are saying you also worship a created spirit who later became one of the FOUR Mormon earth gods? One of millions of other Mormon gods?


39 posted on 02/14/2012 10:47:54 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldn’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Preparing the World for the Second Coming-
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According to Mormon high priest Bruce McConkle, at that time Willard Mitt Romney and the other true believing Mormons will return to polygamy...the faith of Romney’s fathers..

McConkle was the son-in-law to polygamist Moromon prophet Joseph F Smith, the grandson of polygamist Hyrum Smith brother of Joey Smith the inventor of Mormonism..


40 posted on 02/14/2012 10:54:46 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Happy Valentine's Day)
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To: C19fan

I have hesitate to weigh in on the Mormonism issue, and I won’t really do it here. I recommend that we all step back from our own beliefs for a moment and understand how we get to where are in terms of religious faith.

My views, briefly stated:
God is God. He made us; we did not make Him.
What I believe, I believe by faith; I cannot prove it, even to myself, except through the eyes of faith.
Everyone else who believes in God is subject to the same limitations as I am.
I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Moses, and I believe in His only Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who died for the sins of all who will believe in Him.
My faith in Christ is bolstered by the faith of His Apostles and many who lived with Him, who, in the face of unspeakabel tortures and deaths, clung to their beliefs.

Others do not believe as I do; some do not believe at all. A proper response by those who do not believe as I do is: “I don’t believe as you do.” I may try to persuade them, and they may try to persuade me to change their/my beliefs.

Mormons (and Muslims, as well) truly believe what they believe. As long as they respect my beliefs, or at least do not interfere with my right to live and believe as I do, I can tolerate them also.


41 posted on 02/14/2012 11:03:31 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: C19fan
Mocking Mormonism is one of the last frontiers of verbal lawlessness to be untouched by the vigilante powers of political correctness.

Steve; BABY!!

Get over your persecution complex and deal with the FACTS about MORMONism!!


Hint: "What GOES around; COMES around!"



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

42 posted on 02/14/2012 11:06:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Da Coyote
One question: if you could eliminate Mohammed or Smith from history, which would you pick in order to save millions of lives?

Who cares?

Question: if you could eliminate Smith from history, would you do it in order to save millions of SOULS?

43 posted on 02/14/2012 11:09:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: blueunicorn6
Your sentence is to listen to two mormon missionaries for an hour.”





Singing - PRaise to da man!



(click)
Praise to the MAN!

44 posted on 02/14/2012 11:12:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: blueunicorn6
You normally don’t see that kind of pomposity outside of hollywood.

 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

45 posted on 02/14/2012 11:13:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NCLaw441
As long as they respect my beliefs They don't, so get ready to not tolerate. One of them wants your head, the other your soul.
46 posted on 02/14/2012 11:14:05 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Da Coyote
Mormons are not our problem.

Muslims are our problem.

Spiritually, they are the same.

47 posted on 02/14/2012 11:14:43 AM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Hawthorn
How can we know if this term refers to the whole Bible? Or just to the Book of Revelation?

Uh.. by actually READING it and having just a LITTLE bit of knowledge of how our modern 'bible' came to be?


Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV)

 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.


48 posted on 02/14/2012 11:17:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: FatherofFive
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deut 4:2

You WHO??

49 posted on 02/14/2012 11:20:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vigilanteman
I’m old enough to remember a time that it was considered equally chic and fashionable to hate Roman Catholics.

I am SMART enough to KNOW that what MORMONism thinks about Catholics is STILL on the record!!

50 posted on 02/14/2012 11:21:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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