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Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Business Insider ^ | 8 February 2012, 4:39 PM | Michael Brendan Dougherty and Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 02/14/2012 8:49:20 AM PST by Jake from AZ

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To: stuartcr

You gotta be kidding. The morality of today is equivalent to the morality of America in the Eisenhower years? Skyrocketing divorce, STDs out-of-wedlock births, blended families etc. You don’t see this as a decay in the cultural fabric? Really.

41 posted on 02/14/2012 6:27:13 PM PST by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.))
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To: Jake from AZ

When does ability to abort become duty to abort and then requirement to abort?

42 posted on 02/14/2012 8:34:52 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: stuartcr

Sure, those problems have been around forever, but they are right that the rise of contraception use, and especially the wide availability and use of “the pill” has made all those problems much worse. You can’t untie the feminist agenda and the sexual revolution, with all their consequences, from the issue of contraception. They won’t allow you to, so why would we let you get away with that?

43 posted on 02/14/2012 11:58:49 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Usagi_yo

What exactly are you arguing against? What standards are they imposing on the unwilling? Is the fact that the Catholics comment on their appraisal of the general situation in society, and even express concern about it, some kind of imposition against your rights and freedom?

Sorry if I’m confused, but your arguments, superficially, are sounding like those I hear from the pro-aborts.

44 posted on 02/15/2012 12:03:02 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: varmintman

Well, that is just the rules of nature. Any successful population eventually will outbreed their resources, and then they have to expand and get more territory and resources, or start feeding on each other. Applied to humans, war is attempted expansion, while “population control”, meaning abortion and a post-feminist sexual dynamic, is our new, “polite” equilavent of eating our young.

I don’t think advocating the latter is the preferable of the two options. As you say, we have to keep the birth rates at a certain level, or it’s cultural suicide. Once you institute population control, though, you have divorced sexual relations from breeding, and you can never guarantee that people will choose to breed at the necessary levels. Also, it’s universal that the poorest, and least successful levels of society will end up breeding more in that system, while the more successful will breed less, so you have the problem of reverse eugenics to deal with now. You also have all the other associated increases in social problem that come along with “sexual liberation”, aka sexual licentiousness, which can be as fatally deadly to a society as failing to breed at replacement levels.

Just saying, basically, “it’s birth control or war” is not a good basis for making a judgement. Let’s look honestly at ALL the negative consequences that go along with choosing population control as your strategy, and then see how that stacks up with the horrors of the occasional bloody conflict.

45 posted on 02/15/2012 12:22:48 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: varmintman

Also, since we can bend the rules of nature a bit, we have come up with a third option to address this scenario. We’ve tried, from time to time, to shunt excess males into celibate lifestyles of monks, priests, eunuchs, etc, thus helping to mitigate the problem in another way. I don’t think that option is successful enough to be a permanent solution though.

46 posted on 02/15/2012 12:30:19 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: RobbyS

“No image talks back, no image finds you inadequate.”

Well, unless that is what you’re into. I’m sure they’re willing to cater to that niche market :)

47 posted on 02/15/2012 12:38:29 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

If they want an object that talks back, they can find the nearest brothel. or sex shop.

48 posted on 02/15/2012 1:20:22 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Boogieman

We talk modern medicine for granted, but Hollywood sometimes reminds us that we ought not to. We cannot be sure that nothing like the Black Death or the Spanish flu, or even a resurgence of TB will not overwhelm our defenses. The appearance of AIDS was a cautionary tale, but the male libido managed to get that concern shoved aside. No guarantee, however, that the Four Horsemen will not humble us again.

49 posted on 02/15/2012 1:28:35 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Boogieman

I am arguing that people using the “Moral” argument take measure with a ruler fashioned by their own self serving hand. It’s a tautological argument.

I argue *against* the Government imposing it’s standards upon the Church — who set their own standards amongst themselves to measure amongst themselves.

I argue *against* the Church accepting government dollars and then not following policy and rules from whence those dollars came.

50 posted on 02/15/2012 4:05:40 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

I don’t disagree with what you wrote, but it really has no bearing on the discussion. Which is how the mandate is an assault on religious liberty.

51 posted on 02/15/2012 8:26:30 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Jake from AZ
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52 posted on 02/15/2012 11:02:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jake from AZ

Loss of the sacredness of family life needs to be added to those first four things!

53 posted on 02/15/2012 11:05:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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