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Mormons apologize for posthumous baptism of parents of Jewish rights advocate Wiesenthal
AP/Washington Post ^ | Feb. 14, 2012

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:03:57 AM PST by Colofornian

...Mormon church leaders apologized to the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal after his parents were posthumously baptized, a controversial ritual that Mormons believe allows deceased people a way to the afterlife but offends members of many other religions.

Wiesenthal died in 2005 after surviving the Nazi death camps and spending his life documenting Holocaust crimes and hunting down perpetrators who remained at large. Jews are particularly offended by an attempt to alter the religion of Holocaust victims, who were murdered because of their religion, and the baptism of Holocaust survivors was supposed to have been barred by a 1995 agreement.

Yet records indicate Wiesenthal’s parents, Asher and Rosa Rapp Wiesenthal, were baptized in proxy ceremonies performed by Mormon church members at temples in Arizona and Utah in late January.

In a statement, the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center denounced the baptismal rites.

“We are outraged that such insensitive actions continue in the Mormon temples,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean at the center.

The church immediately apologized, saying it was the actions of an individual member of church — whom they did not name — that led to the submission of Wiesenthal’s name.

“We sincerely regret that the actions of an individual member of the church led to the inappropriate submission of these names,” Michael Purdy, a spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in a statement issued Monday. “We consider this a serious breach of our protocol and we have suspended indefinitely this person’s ability to access our genealogy records.”

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Other religions, including the Catholic church, have also publicly objected to the baptism of its members, and it’s been widely reported that Mormon and GOP presidential nominee front-runner Mitt Romney’s atheist father-in-law Edward Davies was posthumously baptized.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Judaism; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: baptismofdead; jews; lds; mormon
From the article: Jews are particularly offended by an attempt to alter the religion of Holocaust victims, who were murdered because of their religion, and the baptism of Holocaust survivors was supposed to have been barred by a 1995 agreement.

Mormon leaders agree one thing to the face of others, then their grassroots consistently practice another thing in their secret temple rituals.

From the article: Other religions, including the Catholic church, have also publicly objected to the baptism of its members, and it’s been widely reported that Mormon and GOP presidential nominee front-runner Mitt Romney’s atheist father-in-law Edward Davies was posthumously baptized.

From the article: ...Mormon church leaders apologized to the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal after his parents were posthumously baptized, a controversial ritual that Mormons believe allows deceased people a way to the afterlife but offends members of many other religions.

Well, this all gives lie to this Mormon belief. If the Mormons truly thought that baptizing Jews by proxy was the ONLY way to "save" them, then they'd continue to do it hell or high water. Yet they cave on doing "the work of the Mormon lord." Why? Because it's "controversial" and "offensive." Wow! If that was the watershed criteria for whether to continue something, where would Christianity be?

No, this shows Mormonism to be the wishy-washy cult it's always been!

1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:04:04 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
For more on Mormonism's baptism of deceased Jews and others, see:
* Anne Frank, a Mormon?
* Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (The OTHER World Series: Vanity)
2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:04:58 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

They don’t need this matter to become a “distraction” from their coordinated efforts to shove Romney down our throats. That’s the only reason they promptly apologized. Can’t afford to let their cultush practice get legs in the media.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:16:48 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: Colofornian
Well, this all gives lie to this Mormon belief. If the Mormons truly thought that baptizing Jews by proxy was the ONLY way to "save" them, then they'd continue to do it hell or high water.

This is exactly right. If it is the only way to give others a patah to salvation, they should continue it, regardless of who is offended. Besides, there is no right not to be offended in the Constitution, or in nature.

The Mormons should NEVER apologize for this. On separate issue, if they DO apologize and promise to quit, then they should, and cease baptizing, unless they publicly state that they will do so.

Finally, what is it with the Jews? They still (and by "they" I mean "an awful lot of them", not "all of them". There are several posters on this site that get their panties in a wad if one makes a generalization, no matter how valid) have a victim mentality.

I'm a Christian of the Baptist flavor. I will remain so. The Mormons are welcome to baptize me all they want. I see no need to take offense because it doesn't affect me, and at least I realize that they think they have good intentions.

Some people need to get over themselves, and I don't mean just Jewish people, either. The world owes you nothing. Not money, not food, not medical care, not respect, and not "sensitivity". You have to go out and earn them.

4 posted on 02/15/2012 6:18:45 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Colofornian

“If the Mormons truly thought that baptizing Jews by proxy was the ONLY way to “save” them, then they’d continue to do it hell or high water. Yet they cave on doing “the work of the Mormon lord.” Why? Because it’s “controversial” and “offensive.” Wow! If that was the watershed criteria for whether to continue something, where would Christianity be?”

I think that is a very good point. “Sorry about your ancestors who happen to be Jewish, but they don’t get baptism because some living people frown upon us doing that.” Same thing with giving in to the state on polygamy. “Hey thanks for the theological advice on our marriage practices, O wise gubberment, really opened our eyes on that one.”

FReegards


5 posted on 02/15/2012 6:19:06 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Colofornian

I’m one of those who believes the Mormon faith is loony, but I’m not sure I understand the offense taken when they do stuff like this. Several religions think I’m going to rot in hell, and that sentiment doesn’t offend me. If a religion posthumously conducts some ceremony on my behalf thinking they are doing me a favor, they can knock themselves out.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 6:20:42 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: Colofornian

I’m no fan of the Mormon’s but I’m not entirely sure what the fuss is all about. Trying to “baptize” people of other faiths into your faith after their deaths certainly is tacky (and also incredibly pointless). But so what? I could care less is some Mormon baptized my late father, who was a devout Baptist. (I know he’s enjoying his heavenly reward and if anything, would probably get a chuckle out of it himself.) Does the fact that the Mormons baptized Mr. and Mrs. Wiesenthal make them any less Jewish or will effect what happens to them in the great beyond? I Seriously doubt it...


7 posted on 02/15/2012 6:26:29 AM PST by apillar
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THX 1138


8 posted on 02/15/2012 6:49:19 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Mr. Bird

Agreed. Call me sentimental and silly, but I actually think it’s a nice-hearted gesture for the LDS to try to “baptize” me after I die. I don’t think it has any effect, of course, but it’s kind of them to make the gesture. And whom is it harming, anyway? If someone says “May Krishna bless you”, I don’t get myself into a knot; I appreciate the thought behind it, even if I think it’s mistaken. Same token, here.


9 posted on 02/15/2012 6:52:51 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: chesley
The Mormons should NEVER apologize for this. On separate issue, if they DO apologize and promise to quit, then they should, and cease baptizing, unless they publicly state that they will do so.

That simply isn't the mormon way, the mormon way is to apologize, promise never to do it again and then continue as before. It has happened numerous times on this issue.

Note please that I am not addressing the issue of whether they should baptize dead people, just their dishonesty.

10 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Colofornian
I don't know what is more ridiculous...baptizing for the dead...or complaining about it.

It's not like the mormons took your living relative and baptized them. Your relative is DEAD and if you are a person of faith...then you have faith that your relative has already been judged. If they are in HELL...then the worst case scenario is they get moved to heaven (which I do not belive happens). If they are in heaven...then what harm is there?

Of all the things to take offense over...they choose THIS? Hasn't BHO stepped on enough toes? Shouldn't you be focused a little more on THAT? Good grief.

11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:08:02 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

I’m telling you what:

I AM Jewish, I I would absolutely HATE to learn that my parents or my grand-parents’ names could be found on a mormon nutty database and “baptized” by a bunch of crazy sectarians.

I don’t love my kin LESS, because they passed away. Their memory is dear to me; so I’m telling the mormons : leave us alone, idiots, as we leave you alone!


12 posted on 02/15/2012 7:18:08 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
I’m telling you what:

I AM Jewish, I I would absolutely HATE to learn that my parents or my grand-parents’ names could be found on a mormon nutty database and “baptized” by a bunch of crazy sectarians.

I don’t love my kin LESS, because they passed away. Their memory is dear to me; so I’m telling the mormons : leave us alone, idiots, as we leave you alone!


In their favor, they do have wonderful, and free, resources for tracing ancestors.

Does being added to some data base really reflect on the deceased? - after all, it's an action they never agreed to, but a possible benefit to future family genealogists.

I'm not a mornom, but have used their resources for tracing families. Their 60’s missions to Scotland managed to microfilm all of the church historical records. They make the results available for free, the Scottish govt. charges you “per look”.

13 posted on 02/15/2012 7:51:41 AM PST by az_gila
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To: az_gila

Don’t deflect from the topic of this thread with “their method of tracing people genealogy.”

My grand-parents were very religious, I I wouldn’t want their names anywhere near mormons’, less being used in weird ceremonies.

If we all go on THAT path, why not deter bones in a graveyard and use them as baseball bats? After all they belong to dead people , so they couldn’t be harmed, right?

< /sarcasm>


14 posted on 02/15/2012 8:05:24 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: az_gila

Don’t deflect from the topic of this thread with “their method of tracing people genealogy.”

My grand-parents were very religious, I wouldn’t want their names anywhere near mormons’, less being used in weird ceremonies.

If we all go on THAT path, why not deter bones in a graveyard and use them as baseball bats? After all they belong to dead people , so they couldn’t be harmed, right?

< /sarcasm>


15 posted on 02/15/2012 8:05:57 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Mr. Bird; apillar; NELSON111; az_gila; paladinan; svcw
I’m one of those who believes the Mormon faith is loony, but I’m not sure I understand the offense taken when they do stuff like this. Several religions think I’m going to rot in hell, and that sentiment doesn’t offend me. If a religion posthumously conducts some ceremony on my behalf thinking they are doing me a favor, they can knock themselves out.

Let's look at just a few problematic offensive points from the point of the New Testament.

I'll cover the second in another post.

Since countless LDS leaders have called the Mormon people self-saviors and saviors of the dead, it's not only a distraction from the poor but delusional.

We already have a "Savior of the world" -- we don't need millions more trying to bump Jesus out of that limelight:
* And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be THE Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14)
* They said to the woman, "We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is THE Savior of the world." (John 4:42)

Last time I looked in the Bible, Christians were supposed to object to idolatry in their culture. And if you don't think that Mormons make baptizers of the dead "saviors" who rival Jesus Christ, you haven't read their leaders' comments on baptism of the dead. For those citations, see: Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (The OTHER World Series: Vanity)

If you're a Christian or Jew and you conclude "this doesn't harm anyone," you're catering to idolatry -- substitute "saviors" pretending to act in his name.

16 posted on 02/15/2012 8:06:57 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: az_gila; NELSON111; apillar; Mr. Bird; paladinan; svcw
I don't know what is more ridiculous...baptizing for the dead...or complaining about it. [Nelson111, post #11]

In their favor, they do have wonderful, and free, resources for tracing ancestors. Does being added to some data base really reflect on the deceased? [Az_gila]

Az_gila -- Lds do more than "genealogize" -- they ritualize...the dead in their temples.

But let's look @ genealogy for a moment -- as to what can become objectionable about it from a Biblical standpoint.

Millions of Mormon man-hours -- Genealogy -- is rooted in baptizing dead people. Now, genealogy for "roots-searching" is fine, but when "genealogy as ultra time consuming religious obsession" takes over, wouldn't you say it might be good to consider what the apostle Paul has to say about this?

Or do you all just ignore the New Testament?

...stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths AND ENDLESS GENEALOGIES. THESE PROMOTE CONTROVERSIES RATHER THAN GOD'S WORK—which is by faith." (1 Timothy 1:3-4)

But AVOID FOOLISH CONTROVERSIES AND GENEALOGIES...because these are unprofitable and useless. (Titus 3:9)

(Paul says it's useless, provokes controversy, and is not faith-promoting. So even the controversy ignited by protagonist Mormons is distracting)

As for the question, "Does this 'hurt' anyone?" yes it does -- in two prominent ways...one of which I covered last post.

THE OTHER WAY IT HARMS?

It hurts the living because over-focusing on the dead distracts what we can do in relating to & in caring for the living!.

We can all agree that Jesus talked much about serving the living -- the poor, the widow, the orphan, the lost sheep, right?

So what would happen in the world if all religions obsessed with the dead as much as Mormons do? Obviously, we're not going to "end poverty in our lifetime" (Jesus said, "the poor will always be with you")...but since countless LDS leaders have called the Mormon people self-saviors and saviors of the dead, it's not only a distraction from the poor but delusional.

17 posted on 02/15/2012 8:15:06 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I respectfully disagree with your sentiments. On a planet of 6 billion people, I cannot be bothered to ensure I object to whatever practices are being carried out by believers of other faiths. Is my failure to call out some tribal ritual in central Africa jeopardizing my salvation? I would rather focus my attentions on calling out the true enemies of God, who are themselves focused on killing me and my brethren. Those who are focused on ensuring my salvation get a better shake.


18 posted on 02/15/2012 8:24:47 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: az_gila

Just be wary of the information, in many cases it is not accurate. My mother is entered three times, with the information being incorrect in some fashion. I have offered to send copies of birth and death certificates and the response is “we stand by the entries”.
Even Jesus is listed with His wives and cause of death as unknown.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 8:34:11 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Mr. Bird; All
I respectfully disagree with your sentiments. On a planet of 6 billion people, I cannot be bothered to ensure I object to whatever practices are being carried out by believers of other faiths.

Well, IF you are a Christian -- and you don't or won't object to what other groups that also label themselves as "Christian" ... then, hey, please show some consistency there...

If you're real name, for example, is John Doe Bird...and somebody regularly goes online pretending to be John Doe Bird and slanders do and misrepresents you and makes you look like a fool, then hey, I guess you can't be "bothered" to clarify that on your behalf.

We can just let them represent you as you.

Mr. Bird, ya better believe that when counterfeit high denominational bills "represent" themselves as the real deal, than vested interests who have a role in protecting the authentic from the counterfeit take all kinds of time-consuming & $-consuming ways to protect those interests!

What? You're advice to them is, "On a planet of 6 billion people, you cannot be bothered to ensure I object to whatever counterfeit practices are being carried out by counterfeiters"????

(I think vested interests would consider your proposal as worthy of a certain bin)

20 posted on 02/15/2012 8:44:41 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

OK, that’s a good point. I guess because I think they’re fringe, I’ve (perhaps wrongly) assumed that everyone else does as well.

To inject a little humor: in Monty Python’s “The Life of Brian”, a man about to be crucified claims to be Brian, “and so is my wife”. Sometimes it is better to treat absurd claims as just that, rather than investing any credibility by vociferously objecting to them.


21 posted on 02/15/2012 8:54:18 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: Mr. Bird
I would rather focus my attentions on calling out the true enemies of God, who are themselves focused on killing me and my brethren. Those who are focused on ensuring my salvation get a better shake.

Thank God some people in this world can multi-task!

I don't know anything about you...but ya know, we as Christians take our cultural cue from a certain "Lord" named Jesus Christ. (Who are we to follow when it comes to setting cultural priorities? Jesus and the apostle Paul? or a poster named Mr. Bird?)

Here's Jesus:

"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)

So does Jesus say, "fear the Muslims or terrorists?" (No)

Does Jesus say "fear those who can kill your bodies?" (No)

Instead, does He say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes)
So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.

Those who are focused on ensuring my salvation get a better shake

Salvation from what, per Mormonism? Well, the founding vision of Mormonism was to take a "scorched earth" approach to worldwide christianity...an attempt to build a foundation on the spiritual graveyard of Christianity.

Joseph Smith knew that unless he could play scorched-earth religious politics, and get Christianity 100% out of the way, that no "restoration" was necessary. He would be irrelevant. Superflous. So he needed to bury Christianity in its entirety.

Does the following 1820s original vision of Joseph Smith, which a later generation of Mormons converted into Lds "scripture," sound like Kum Ba Yah hugging and embracing of Christians?

18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join. 19 I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt... (Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-19, Pearl of Great Price)

So, Lds created a huge division in the religious community in the 1830s by labeling all Christians apostates...by calling 100% of our creeds an "abomination" to their god...and by saying we were 100% wrong and unjoinable as churches...all the while calling our leaders/teachers and/or professing believers 100% "corrupt."

Then they decided to spread that slander worldwide with over 100 different translations of that "scripture" and they've literally sent out a million missionaries to discuss our so-called complete apostasy thru the generations. Finally, as the apostle Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:

"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)

Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves!)

Tell me something, Mr. Bird: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important? So what? We're just to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what does he know about cultural priorities?"

22 posted on 02/15/2012 8:55:05 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Graybeard58
Note please that I am not addressing the issue of whether they should baptize dead people, just their dishonesty.

right. They are 2 distinct issues.

23 posted on 02/15/2012 9:01:07 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: svcw
I have found MANY errors in the LDS genealogy data, so no one should accept it for truth.

I even found my gggrandfather who was sealed, so that led me to THINK were they mormons? NO THEY WERE NOT, so their data is deceiving to the future families. He was sealed after he was killed by a jealous husband, what is that all about? Someone wanted him? hahahaha

This is just one of the things that is wrong with the LDS habits, so NEVER, EVER take the LDS genealogy records for FACT, it isn't.

Here is why: when one begins in the LDS, you begin your endless genealogy searching, (not that your looking for your own), you just looking for anything you can make work,(even if it don't fit). There is NO ONE who will object, just copy down whatever your eyes behold and enter as fact. Oh yes, they proof READ only, but if an F looks like a T, ok by them. T it is.

Now you may have John M. Franks who is now John M. Tranks, but hey now you have two people to dead dunk, so on and so on. They can then continue to misspell a name, NEW victims.

The point is: they don't care, all they need is names to DEAD DUNK.

24 posted on 02/15/2012 9:16:24 AM PST by annieokie
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To: apillar
I had an aunt who "prayed me into Mormon heaven."
Since I think that Mormonism is merely a cult and full of looney-toon ideas, I'm not in the least offended by the pathetic, sad and useless exercise of these cultists to do what they do.
I'd feel the same if some voodoo person prayed me into voodoo heaven or pincushioned an image of me to "hurt" me.

They are poco loco, to be pitied.

25 posted on 02/15/2012 9:22:14 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: paladinan
Agreed. Call me sentimental and silly, but I actually think it’s a nice-hearted gesture for the LDS to try to “baptize” me after I die. I don’t think it has any effect, of course, but it’s kind of them to make the gesture. And whom is it harming, anyway? If someone says “May Krishna bless you”, I don’t get myself into a knot; I appreciate the thought behind it, even if I think it’s mistaken. Same token, here.

I disagree with the tokens. "May Krishna bless you" is TOTALLY different than baptism. The baptism speaks of an enormous arrogance and tells the world that THEIR faith is superior to others. The "May Krishna bless you" doesn't go that far. One token is kind, the other is an insult.
You said "call me sentimental and silly," so...YOU ARE SILLY. :o)

26 posted on 02/15/2012 9:44:27 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: paladinan
Agreed. Call me sentimental and silly, but I actually think it’s a nice-hearted gesture for the LDS to try to “baptize” me after I die. I don’t think it has any effect, of course, but it’s kind of them to make the gesture. And whom is it harming, anyway? If someone says “May Krishna bless you”, I don’t get myself into a knot; I appreciate the thought behind it, even if I think it’s mistaken. Same token, here.

I disagree with the tokens. "May Krishna bless you" is TOTALLY different than baptism. The baptism speaks of an enormous arrogance and tells the world that THEIR faith is superior to others. The "May Krishna bless you" doesn't go that far. One token is kind, the other is an insult.
You said "call me sentimental and silly," so...YOU ARE SILLY. :o)

27 posted on 02/15/2012 10:17:03 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Mr. Bird

This isn’t Africa, the leading republican candidate for President conducts these secret rituals of converting our loved ones to his cult after their deaths.

I would say that it makes sense for conservatives to discuss this aspect of Bishop Mitt Romney as we desperately try to figure out what makes him tick, and why he is obsessed with becoming President, and head of the GOP.


28 posted on 02/15/2012 10:45:59 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: paladinan

If it is so sweet, then why are they promising to leave Jews alone?


29 posted on 02/15/2012 10:54:57 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

I wasn’t defending Romney, and wasn’t referencing anything remotely political. The article was about people being offended at Mormon’s “baptizing” dead people. I merely stated I thought Mormonism was moonbattery and it didn’t offend me.


30 posted on 02/15/2012 12:06:14 PM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: az_gila; Marguerite
In their favor, they do have wonderful, and free, resources for tracing ancestors.

Yes, that's nice. And it gets to the genesis of the dispute. The Jewish community has also spent a great deal of time and effort attempting to compile the names of victims of the Holocaust, an impossible task as entire villages were destroyed. And lost of man hours and money. Institutions fought the effort tooth and nail. The Red Cross and, I believe, the German government refused access to records until the last couple years. Certainly this was done to some extent for the dead, but primarilly for the living. Survivors and relatives, could learn the fate of family members and even within the last couple years family members have been reunitied. You can imagine the surprise of the groups collecting and distributing this information, one of the early results is baptism as a Mormon.

Harmless or not isn't really the point. People are entitled to take offence, or not. What's significant is that the Church has barred the practice, and is correct in enforcing their policies. Perhaps a millenia from now reasearchers will use the baptism data to prove America was a Mormon country.

31 posted on 02/16/2012 5:26:01 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Mr. Bird

Agreed. I fail to see the controversy here.


32 posted on 02/16/2012 5:33:53 AM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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