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White House Criticizes Bishops, Trumpets Support from CHA, Catholic Charities
Catholic Culture ^ | 2/15/12

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:46:47 AM PST by marshmallow

Insisting that it is “dangerous” and “wrong” for women not to have access to contraceptives free of charge, the White House press secretary asserted that the US bishops “never supported health reform to begin with”--prompting a rebuttal from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

During the February 13 White House press briefing, Press Secretary Jay Carney was asked a lengthy question:

On Friday, you seemed pretty satisfied that the contraception issue had been settled and you wanted to move on. But the bishops put out a statement saying that it still raises serious moral concerns, and said the President's plan "continues to involve needless government intrusion in the internal governance of religious institutions." As you know, there's also legislation in the Senate. One would allow any employer to raise a conscience objection to the contraceptive issue. Another one is broader -- even raise conscience objections to any aspect of the rule at all. Is this issue settled? Are you going to be able to move forward? The bishops have control of the pulpit, so to speak, and they have been talking against it.

Carney replied that

the organizations that will be most affected by this -- Catholic Charities and the Catholic Health Association -- have expressed their support for this policy, and we obviously appreciate that.

Now, we never set out with the assumption that everyone would be satisfied with this balanced approach, with this what we believe -- approach that ensures that women get -- all women, no matter where they work, get the preventive services they deserve and need, and that religious liberties are accommodated. And I would simply note with regard to the bishops that they never supported health care reform to begin with, of which this is an important element.

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The bishops have long resisted calls from the faithful for action on "Catholic" charities, "Catholic" hospitals etc. Now it comes back to bite them. When they actually need the support of these groups, they don't have it.

Years of episcopal weakness and inaction are now being punished.

1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:46:58 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

> Years of episcopal weakness and inaction are now being punished.

You ain’t seen nothing yet.

0bama0 will again garner the overwhelming majority of Catholic votes in the elections.

Count on it.

Catholics are not afraid of church discipline, because it never happens.

Pelosi and Biden are still allowed to take communion in spite of having given the Church the single digit salute.


2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:52:05 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook
overwhelming majority

Please give an objective, numerical definition of this term.

3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:32 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
And I would simply note with regard to the bishops that they never supported health care reform to begin with

Liar.

Part of the reasons the bishops are in a weak position is that they have been in bed with the evil one leading this country on health care reform.

Catholic Charities does good work but is essentially a branch of the federal government. IMHO it should be suppressed and replaced by a (much smaller) organization that is financed by the faithful and is true to the mission of the church.

The Catholic Health Association is an openly heretical organization led by an open heretic.

4 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:57 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: marshmallow

the Church needs to rein in....and I do mean, REIN IN on ANYBODY using the word “Catholic” who is not in agreement with basic Church doctrines. (the same way that you can’t just use the word “Olympics” or “Super Bowl” at your whim).

And yes, by that I do mean a threat of excommunication from Pope Benedict direct to Sister Mary Jane Hospital Association.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 6:57:03 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow
And I would simply note with regard to the bishops that they never supported health care reform to begin with

Liar.

Part of the reasons the bishops are in a weak position is that they have been in bed with the evil one leading this country on health care reform.

Catholic Charities does good work but is essentially a branch of the federal government. IMHO it should be suppressed and replaced by a (much smaller) organization that is financed by the faithful and is true to the mission of the church.

The Catholic Health Association is an openly heretical organization led by an open heretic.

6 posted on 02/15/2012 6:57:15 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: jtal

Sorry for the double post folks - iphone spasm strikes again. :-(


7 posted on 02/15/2012 6:58:34 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: marshmallow

Those who don’t learn from history...

For centuries religious leaders have kowtowed to oppressive governments hoping for their liberties to be spared. The result is always the same.


8 posted on 02/15/2012 7:05:03 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas
Worth repeating with added EMPHASIS!

For centuries religious leaders have kowtowed to oppressive governments hoping for their liberties to be spared. The result is always the same.
9 posted on 02/15/2012 7:13:39 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Please give an objective, numerical definition of this term.

54%. That is the percentage of the Catholic vote Obama got in 2008. While not "overwhelming majority", the poster is right that Obama will likely win a majority again. Perhaps not white Catholics, but the rapid growth of the Hispanic Catholic voting block will almost certain insure Hussein wins the Catholic vote yet again.

10 posted on 02/15/2012 7:15:26 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: jtal

These organizations will not get a cent from me anymore.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:16:47 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Westbrook

——You ain’t seen nothing yet.
0bama0 will again garner the overwhelming majority of Catholic votes in the elections.
Count on it.
Catholics are not afraid of church discipline, because it never happens.
Pelosi and Biden are still allowed to take communion in spite of having given the Church the single digit salute.——

All of this reminds me that the Church thrives where it is persecuted, and vice versa.

I wish it didn’t have to be this way.

The coming persecution will purify and strengthen the Church.

About twenty years ago I was talking to a couple of old-school nuns, who were my friend’s aunts (it was fun to see them off-duty). They both told me that the Church would have to get smaller, and that We would be better off. Those old-school sisters were wise.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 7:16:47 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: jtal
Catholic Charities does good work but is essentially a branch of the federal government. IMHO it should be suppressed and replaced by a (much smaller) organization that is financed by the faithful and is true to the mission of the church.

I don't agree with Rush on everything, but on Monday he was addressing this very subject and his point - as yours - was spot on!

The RCC (and most churches to be honest) in an effort to avoid pressure from the government and to offload some fiscal responsibility away from the church itself, bought into the "government giveaways are charity" charade! I mean if you look and listen to the PSA's on TV and the radio, you would think you were listening to some church group explaining how you can get support and help, etc... They try to make it "personal" - when government is not, can not, and SHOULD not be in a "personal" relationship with each and every one of us! They have jobs to do that does not include a personal relationship with each constituent - PERIOD!

Charity, especially church based charity, is about PERSONAL relationships and PERSONAL thought into the people and groups which you support.

Government handouts are about as much like charity as a patron in a strip club "making it rain!" They both give out money, but they are both looking for an advantage or an angle or a return on that investment!

Charity is about doing the right thing, because it is the right thing to do! Charity is about personally caring for a person! As my former Pastor used to say, "What good is it to fill the pockets of a person, if you leave him an empty soul?"
14 posted on 02/15/2012 7:33:26 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Longbow1969
By no sane standards is 54% an overwhelming majority, regardless of the topic. Do try to avoid discrediting yourself by overstating your case.

the poster is right that Obama will likely win a majority again.

No ... the poster is neither right nor wrong. The poster has made a prediction; stated an opinion. So have you.

That's nice ...

But opinions are like noses.

15 posted on 02/15/2012 8:00:10 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

I completely agree. It’s never too late but there’s a lot of work for the American bishops to do. They have already started cleaning out the seminaries. Now it’s time to stop being business men and start being shepherds.


16 posted on 02/15/2012 8:25:54 AM PST by Mercat
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To: marshmallow

I completely agree. It’s never too late but there’s a lot of work for the American bishops to do. They have already started cleaning out the seminaries. Now it’s time to stop being business men and start being shepherds.


17 posted on 02/15/2012 8:26:15 AM PST by Mercat
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To: marshmallow

Indeed. Catholic Charities and CHA have long been hotbeds of dissent.


18 posted on 02/15/2012 8:31:30 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: jtal

Liar, is the kindest term one can use about Carney. Any visit to the USCCB website will show the Bishops support some form of health care reform. They withdrew their support for Obamacare because of concerns over abortion and artificial birth control.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 8:36:44 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“The coming persecution will purify and strengthen the Church.”

But it will also help to spread the good news of the Gospel as well.


20 posted on 02/15/2012 8:36:58 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: jtal

The problem with this is that Catholic Charities, hospitals, schools et al...don’t limit their assistance to Catholics.

That is why the aid from the government is needed, but that aid should not place these charities under the control of the government.

Unfortunately, the ACLU and other liberal organizations have won in court to force these institutions to set aside their religious mission and convictions in order to continue receiving public aid. In some cases the church has chosen to simply end the services rather than cave to coercion.

A smaller version will result in the need to severely limit
those who are helped by Catholic institutions as there are not enough faithful to support the number of people seeking help.


21 posted on 02/15/2012 8:47:13 AM PST by Jvette
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To: marshmallow
the White House press secretary asserted that the US bishops “never supported health reform to begin with”

What is Carney actually saying?

That only people who supported Obamacare should have their constitutional rights protected?

That's the way I read his statement.

22 posted on 02/15/2012 8:59:27 AM PST by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: jtal
I read once that Catholic Charities, as well as other groups like Lutheran Social Services, receive millions and millions each year from the govt.....so when it comes to supporting the hand that feeds them, they are on it.....

sickening....

23 posted on 02/15/2012 9:20:37 AM PST by cherry
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To: Westbrook
0bama0 will again garner the overwhelming majority of Catholic votes in the elections.

Especially if unreliable and unscientific exit polls with suspect methodology are used to characterize the vote and people like you parrot same.

24 posted on 02/15/2012 9:22:06 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Longbow1969
That is the percentage of the Catholic vote Obama got in 2008.

Key omission: based on unscientific, unreliable exit polls conducted with highly suspect methodology.

25 posted on 02/15/2012 9:24:58 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: lastchance; jtal; marshmallow
They withdrew their support for Obamacare because of concerns over abortion and artificial birth control.

Actually, there were several bishops who had major concerns with Obamacare due to its violation of the principle of subsidiarity.

Archbishop Neumann (KC KS) and Bishop Finn (KC MO) issued a long statement on it. Archbishop Chaput (formerly Denver, no Phila) spoke at length about it, as did Archbishop Nienstedt (St Paul), Bishops Nickless (Sioux City), Doran (Rockford), Slattery (Tulsa) and Johnston (Springfield-Cape Girardeu) also spoke eloquently as well. I am sure there are others, but those are the ones I remember.

But we never heard that part two years ago.

26 posted on 02/15/2012 9:57:29 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

You are right, thanks for pointing this out. I should have taken the time to do so.


27 posted on 02/15/2012 10:09:18 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: marshmallow

If karma existed, Carney’s husband, Claire Shipman, would get terribly sick from taking oral contraceptives.


28 posted on 02/15/2012 10:56:25 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Longbow1969; ArrogantBustard

Bush won the Catholic vote the election prior. I’d wager it will go back to the GOP in 2012.


29 posted on 02/15/2012 1:49:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow
I believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church, however the hierarchy sold their souls long ago.

Now, if you have the dollars and donate them to the Church, you can say whatever you want and still be considered a Catholic.

By way of example, my former parish counts Claire McCaskill (D-MO) and several mafia family members as parishioners in good standing.

Between THAT hypocrisy and the shuffling around of pedophiles, I left.

30 posted on 02/15/2012 1:59:37 PM PST by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: demsux

Well that will show them!

Not. :)

I think it’s better to stay and fight. It never ends.


31 posted on 02/15/2012 2:31:50 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow
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32 posted on 02/15/2012 8:56:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; All

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/15/catholic-charity-group-denies-endorsement-contraceptive-coverage-policy/

Catholic Charities denies endorsement of Obama administration’s contraceptive coverage policy

A leading Catholic charity group wants the public to know it has not endorsed the Obama administration’s latest policy requiring free contraceptive coverage for employees, despite “mischaracterizations in the media.”
Catholic Charities USA has occasionally been cited as a supporter of the new policy, after the administration announced last week it would no longer require religious organizations to directly offer contraceptive coverage to workers. That’s almost certainly because the White House listed the group on an official blog that cited “praise from a wide range of individuals and organizations” for the policy change.

Along with statements from Planned Parenthood and other supporters was a brief statement from Catholic Charities. The group said at the time that it “welcomes the administration’s attempt to meet the concerns of the religious community” and looks forward to reviewing the final language.
“We are hopeful that this is a step in the right direction,” the group said.
But the organization has since posted a clarification on its website, after that statement was interpreted by some as an endorsement.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/15/catholic-charity-group-denies-endorsement-contraceptive-coverage-policy/#ixzz1mY5tQnSH


33 posted on 02/16/2012 5:08:01 AM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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