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Romney’s Religion: The Most Scrutinized Doctrines of Mormonism
Canada Free Press ^ | Feb. 19, 2012 | Kelly O'Connell

Posted on 02/20/2012 5:28:58 AM PST by Colofornian

…if Mitt Romney truly is the presumptive GOP nominee, well then we must familiarize ourselves with the most frequently criticized elements of Mormonism.

SNIP

according to NY state court records

…legal bills from separate charges filed against Joseph Smith…show, was arrested three times in the county between 1826 and 1830 for...Smith’s involvement in “glass looking,” or searching for treasure, and “being a disorderly person.”

SNIP

describes LDS beliefs on the gods:

…LDS Prophet Brigham Young taught: “How many Gods there are, I do not know…"

…obedient Mormons can evolve into gods as McKeever describes...

SNIP

…Joseph Smith did not have a high view of Blacks, stating “Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..."...Brigham...Young also claimed,

This people...commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain. I know they are…You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable, sad, low in their habits, wild, and seemingly without the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind…Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty...is death on the spot. This will always be so.

…LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie further explains:

…the negro are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concern(ed)...” (Mormon Doctrine, 527-28; 1966...)

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…according to geneticist Simon G. Southerton in his Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church…studies of mitochondrial DNA of Native Americans conclusively prove the Mormon claim of descent from Israeli immigrants is unsupported by DNA evidence…LDS lost many adherents as a result

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TOPICS: History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mittromney; mormon
From the article: …according to NY state court records……legal bills from separate charges filed against Joseph Smith…show, was arrested three times in the county between 1826 and 1830 for...Smith’s involvement in “glass looking,” or searching for treasure, and “being a disorderly person.”

Ya gotta know that Smith published the Book of Mormon in 1830 and he was arrested for these charges when he was in his early 20s.

From the article: describes LDS beliefs on the gods: …LDS Prophet Brigham Young taught: “How many Gods there are, I do not know…" …obedient Mormons can evolve into gods as McKeever describes...

Who wants to vote for a future "god?" (Isn't supporting a wannabe-god itself an extension of idolatry?)

1 posted on 02/20/2012 5:29:01 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: All
From the article: …Joseph Smith did not have a high view of Blacks, stating “Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..."...Brigham...Young also claimed, This people...commonly called negroes are the children of old Cain. I know they are…You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable, sad, low in their habits, wild, and seemingly without the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind…Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty...is death on the spot. This will always be so. …LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie further explains: …the negro are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concern(ed)...” (Mormon Doctrine, 527-28; 1966...)

Utter and horrid racism! And Romney supported this indirectly with 10% of his income the first 13 years of his adulthood...when the policies based on this racism were still openly practiced?

Ya think that an MSM that made much ado about an overturned rock on Rick Perry family's hunting grounds won't make the 2012 campaign one of a referendum vs. racism if it becomes a Romney vs. Obama match-up?

2 posted on 02/20/2012 5:31:39 AM PST by Colofornian ( BTW, what IS your quota for candidates being able to mention God (theology), after all?)
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SNIP From the article: …according to geneticist Simon G. Southerton in his Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church…studies of mitochondrial DNA of Native Americans conclusively prove the Mormon claim of descent from Israeli immigrants is unsupported by DNA evidence…LDS lost many adherents as a result

Mormons have even lost their own geneticists over this...along with grassroots Mormons who actually take the time to study this.

3 posted on 02/20/2012 5:33:02 AM PST by Colofornian ( BTW, what IS your quota for candidates being able to mention God (theology), after all?)
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To: Colofornian

I worry far less about Romney’s Mormonism than I do about Obama’s “religion” what ever it might be. We know he spent 20 years listening to Rev. Wright’s racist, Marxist and anti-American vitriol and clearly has an affinity for Islam that will have him siding with Muslim causes even if they are threats to this country.


4 posted on 02/20/2012 5:35:22 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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5 posted on 02/20/2012 5:39:27 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: The Great RJ

The truth claims of mormonism are so easily refuted by science, archeology and history that all adherents are unworthy of public office simply for being so gullible, stupid, deceitful, or incurious.

This is not so for traditional Christianity.


6 posted on 02/20/2012 5:48:51 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: All; ansel12
What I find rather "interesting" about this article is that even though the author knows fairly thoroughly the devastating downsides of Mormonism, the author actually still seems to be pro-Romney and is encouraging people to ready their defenses to answer these challenges.

In a post about three weeks ago, FREEPER poster Ansel12 made a rather interesting observation:

Unfortunately, for Romney to win the votes of Christians what will first happen, is that conservative writers, radio hosts, columnists, social conservative leaders, all of our talking heads, thinkers, and millions of rank and file conservatives and Christians will be drawn into the largest collection of, the most diverse collection of, the most creative collection of Mormon apologists, in history. Mormonism will be daily rationalized, ways to smooth over Christian concerns will be thought of and delivered on the air waves, just as Hugh Hewitt and Michael Medved already do. Limbaugh and others will fall into a daily routine of countering and defeating Christian protests against Mormonism. New creative thoughts and reasoning will come from National Review, and Fox The right will be sucked into becoming the foot soldiers of mainstreaming and rationalizing Mormonism.
Source: Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age [Lds church is hemorrhaging in member losses]

This is the true underlying "agenda" of the Mormon church putting forth a POTUS candidate.

They wanna go "mainstream" once and for all -- and they want Christians to help them come alongside of them to become fellow apologists for this cult!

(Of course, it won't hurt the Mormon church to (a) have a puppet in the White House; and (b) Believe the fulfillment is under way of their long prophesied "White Horse Prophecy," either!)

Me?

I think once Christians embrace a pro-abortion, socialist RomneyCare cultist who thinks he's on his way to being a grown-up god, that passage from Peter in the New Testament kicks in:

"Judgment begins in the household of God." NIV version: For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

(Put aside for just a moment judgment of the world...that's an inevitable...Is the church of Jesus Christ ready for the beginning of a divine judgment against them for abandoning the least of these (preborns) and aiding and abetting an idolater come into power?)

7 posted on 02/20/2012 5:52:40 AM PST by Colofornian ( BTW, what IS your quota for candidates being able to mention God (theology), after all?)
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To: Colofornian

That’s the fun thing about “new” religions like Mormonism and let’s say Scientology. They are so easily and demonstrably shown to be nonsense created by attention seeking liars that, at least for me, anytime a sentient adult professes faith in such garbage, I know immediately they are soft-headed.


8 posted on 02/20/2012 5:53:15 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: The Great RJ
I worry far less about Romney’s Mormonism than I do about Obama’s “religion” what ever it might be.

(Yeah I know...plenty of FREEPERS would vote for a reincarnated Hitler if he was running vs. the ultimate socialist...the Anti-Christ with a (D) next to his name...)

So much for conservative conviction...
...or even having a conscience...
...voting for somebody solidly more liberal than the Democrats ran in the 1960s!

9 posted on 02/20/2012 5:55:28 AM PST by Colofornian ( BTW, what IS your quota for candidates being able to mention God (theology), after all?)
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To: whattajoke
That’s the fun thing about “new” religions like Mormonism and let’s say Scientology. They are so easily and demonstrably shown to be nonsense created by attention seeking liars that, at least for me, anytime a sentient adult professes faith in such garbage, I know immediately they are soft-headed.

Well many Mormons -- including Mitt Romney are intelligent and highly so...but so are many atheists.

Intelligence does NOT equal spiritual discernment or wisdom.

10 posted on 02/20/2012 5:58:08 AM PST by Colofornian ( BTW, what IS your quota for candidates being able to mention God (theology), after all?)
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To: Colofornian

Leftist Opposition Research. They’ll be all over these tidbits like ugly on an ape.


11 posted on 02/20/2012 6:06:35 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: The Great RJ

Before you dismiss mormonism, it is important to know what it actually is. Romney is who he is because of his mormomnism not in spite of it.
To understand mormonism is to understand what motives Romney, it is his core.


12 posted on 02/20/2012 6:07:57 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: whattajoke
That’s the fun thing about “new” religions like Mormonism and let’s say Scientology. They are so easily and demonstrably shown to be nonsense created by attention seeking liars that, at least for me, anytime a sentient adult professes faith in such garbage, I know immediately they are soft-headed.

So true. They are CULTS. Cults are pathetic. I can't forget Jim Jones and his Kool-aid murder of hundreds of mostly women and children. Those sad sacks were sold a bill of goods and it cost them their lives.

There's no way to stop the emergence of these cults. Soft-headedness will be with us until the end of days. Too bad we can't save people from themselves.
Our Lord will sort things out. Always does; always will.

Meanwhile, we just shake our heads in amazement.

13 posted on 02/20/2012 6:32:30 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Colofornian
I agree with your assessment of the Mormon Cult -——However the USA elected an apostate Muslim president in 2008 and nobody said a peep!!

Mormonism is paragon of “modernism” in comparison to the 7th Century Moon God religion.

14 posted on 02/20/2012 6:41:23 AM PST by texican01
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To: cloudmountain

To equate mormonism with Jim Jones is about the most ignorant comment I may have ever read. You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR. Think for yourself. Jim Jones was an advide leftist and evangelical preacher- “christian” philosphy in line with the main stream. He built nothing. Mormonism has been around for over 160 years and has produced world renowned scientist, politicians, musicians, along with settling some of the most unfriendly parts of western US- so you and your friends can enjoy great skiing. Oh Snap!


15 posted on 02/20/2012 6:54:03 AM PST by dimeadozen
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To: The Great RJ

Felt the same way until a friend of the family got very upset about Romney possible winning. She had been a Mormon. Since then I found Tricia Erickson’s CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?

Her credentials and the first two chapters of the book can be read at Amazon for free. You will sertainly have more to think about if you take the time to read it.


16 posted on 02/20/2012 7:13:30 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: dimeadozen
I believe the poster's point, was that cults all have certain things in common, not that they are identical.

First, Mormonism, Scientology, and many other false religions are demonstrably false based upon many factors, such as archeology, genetics, history, etc. Second, these religions rely on charismatic leaders to persuade followers. Third, followers are brain-washed to some degree so that they will not question the more controversial teachings.

Jim Jones was obviously an extreme example of the dangers of cults. Some cults can lead to total tragedy like Jones. Either way, cults trap followers in spiritual darkness.

Mentioning well known adherents of a cult, like you did for Mormonism, doesn't add credibility to the false religion in any way. Look at Tom Cruise and Scientology. No one says that Scientology must be legitimate if a respected actor like Cruise is a follower. Instead, it's almost universally accepted that Cruise and others like him have been duped. The same can be said for Mormons.

17 posted on 02/20/2012 7:14:47 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: The Great RJ
I worry far less about Romney’s Mormonism than I do about Obama’s “religion” what ever it might be.

"And they came for the Catholics...and they came for the Jews.. "

Gets old doesn't it? I agree with your comment.

There is a book by Steve Martini [thriller/fiction/faction] The Rule of Nine that talks about the Old Weatherman--

"he had suffered through years of regret for one senseless act of violence in his youth, the bombing of the bank that had accidentally cost a human life. ---[his plot to bomb NYC/Washington]--it was the cover that the Old Weatherman needed not for himself but for the president who knew nothing but who would now have a free hand to fill all nine positions on the SCOTUS. Decapitate the executive branch and the effect would be short term-but only til the next election.This was true of Congress as well. The present corrupt system of money and politics of a Washington aristocracy utterly out of touch with the people they ruled-the fiction of a resprentative republic that now longer existed was far too resilient to bring down in this way, and the Old Weatherman knew this. But there was one part of the government for which this was not true--the Supreme Court because of the life time tenure conferred on members of the high court and the fact that these nine justices held the final word on most if not all of the social and economic controversies confronting the country it was the one controlling pressure point that could alter the long term direction of America-Franklin Roosevelt had realized this during the dark days of the Depression when he contemplated packing the court with additional members all of his own choosing---The court had been divided for years. Most of the controversial decisions depended for their legitimacy on razor-think five-to-four votes with too many of the decisions going the wrong way. In the eyes of the Old Weatherman the national economy was dictated by five members of the Fed none of whom were elected by anyone with political and social policy determined not by the rule of nine buy by a tyranny of one, a single deciding swing vote on the Supreme Court..."Excerpt Pg 361 The Rule of Nine.

And people worry over Romney being a Mormon.

18 posted on 02/20/2012 7:49:53 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

But, Mormons did some good things too. They had nice commercials. That makes up for them believing they can become gods, or God’s equal doesn’t it? (sarc)


19 posted on 02/20/2012 8:15:01 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Colofornian
Joseph Smith did not have a high view of Blacks, stating...
 
 
It appears that he WASN'T alone!!!
 
 



"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

20 posted on 02/20/2012 8:47:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: faucetman
But, Mormons did some good things too.

The WHITEWASH ain't working!

We need some KILZ!

21 posted on 02/20/2012 8:52:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: The Great RJ
I worry far less about Romney’s Mormonism

Brigham Young - If you find your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through them both, you would be justified and they would atoned for their sins and be received into the kingdom of God. ... "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it;" Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247 (1856)

Brigham Young - "If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity." Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 108 (1853)

Brigham Young - "There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground ... I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it is strong doctrine; but it is to save them not destroy them. ... I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves, and the only condition upon which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed their blood" Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 53 (1856)

22 posted on 02/20/2012 9:02:13 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dimeadozen

To equate mormonism with Jim Jones is about the most ignorant comment I may have ever read.


You’ve actually never been on an anti-Mormon thread, have you? Just wait...the hits will keep coming, plus a White Horse will show up as well !


23 posted on 02/20/2012 9:10:36 AM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: Colofornian
Intelligence does NOT equal spiritual discernment or wisdom.

Amen to that.

I've never met anyone "too dumb" to be saved but the world is full of people who are "too smart".

24 posted on 02/20/2012 9:45:15 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: dimeadozen

What anti-mormon mob on FR? Can you source that? Now if you meant mormonism is being exposed, yep that is happening.


25 posted on 02/20/2012 10:18:29 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

“What anti-mormon mob on FR? Can you source that? Now if you meant mormonism is being exposed, yep that is happening.”

for anyone who has frequented FR for any time knows exactly who their fellow Freepers are who are constantly reminding the rest of us of the foibles of mormonism. fortunately, the rest of Christianity has been spared from their investigative reporting.


26 posted on 02/20/2012 10:45:25 AM PST by IWONDR
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To: magritte

Didn't I tell you this would happen if you gave up proofreading your stuff?

27 posted on 02/20/2012 11:09:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte

 

 

I don't know nuthin' 'bout no Jimmy John's and SURE would not have someone drink HOT Koolaide! 

All I ever did was to use my prophetic powers to convince some soon to be dead folks to walk all the way to UTAH.

How'd I know they wuz gonna be so slow and freeze their silly little asses off in the snow?

28 posted on 02/20/2012 11:14:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte

 

 

I don't know nuthin' 'bout no Jimmy John's and SURE would not have someone drink HOT Koolaide! 

All I ever did was to use my prophetic powers to convince some soon to be dead folks to walk all the way to UTAH.

How'd I know they wuz gonna be so slow and freeze their silly little a$$e$ Ooops: Religion forum BUTTS off in the snow?

29 posted on 02/20/2012 11:15:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte

 

 

I don't know nuthin' 'bout no Jimmy John's and SURE would not have someone drink HOT Koolaide! 

All I ever did was to use my prophetic powers to convince some soon to be dead folks to walk all the way to UTAH.

How'd I know they wuz gonna be so slow and freeze their silly little (That probably won't last either) selves to death in the snow?

30 posted on 02/20/2012 11:16:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte
Just wait...the hits will keep coming, plus a White Horse will show up as we

Well; they wuz TWO of them on the Ark; RIGHT?

31 posted on 02/20/2012 11:17:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dimeadozen
You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR.


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32 posted on 02/20/2012 11:20:48 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dimeadozen
You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR.


 



33 posted on 02/20/2012 11:21:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dimeadozen
You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR.


 

“Christ was Begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.”
(Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 547, 1966)

 

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that some Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost.”
(Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 7)

 

“[Jesus Christ] was willing to make payment because of his great love for mankind, and he was able to make payment because he lived a sinless life and because he was actually, literally, biologically the Son of God in the flesh.”
(Messages for Exaltation, For the Sunday Schools of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gospel Doctrine Class, pages 378-379, 1967)

 

Orson Pratt
“God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. Hence, the Father saith concerning him, ‘Thou are my Son, this day have I begotten thee.’ We are informed in the first chapter of Luke, that Mary was chosen by the Father as a choice virgin, through whom He begat Jesus. The angel said unto the Virgin Mary, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also, that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’ After the power of the Highest had overshadowed Mary, and she had by that means conceived, she related the circumstance to her cousin Elizabeth in the following words: ‘He that is Mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name.’ It seems from this relation that the Holy Ghost accompanied ‘the Highest’ when He overshadowed the Virgin Mary and begat Jesus; and from this circumstance some have supposed that the body of Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost without the instrumentality of the immediate presence of the Father. There is no doubt that the Holy Ghost came upon Mary to sanctify her, and make her holy, and prepare her to endure the glorious presence of “the Highest’, that when ‘He’ should ‘overshadow’ her she might conceive, being filled with the Holy Ghost; hence the angel said, as recorded in Matthew, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost;’ that is, the Holy Ghost gave her strength to abide in the presence of the Father without being consumed, but it was the personage of the Father who begat the body of Jesus; and for this reason Jesus is called ‘the Only Begotten of the Father;’ that is, the only one in this world whose fleshly body was begotten by the Father. There were millions of sons and daughters who he begat before the foundation of this world, but they were spirits, and not bodies of flesh and bones; whereas, both the spirit and body of Jesus were begotten by the Father—the spirit having been begotten in heaven many ages before the tabernacle was begotten upon the earth.

 

 


“The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father; we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully. It would have been unlawful for any man to have interfered with Mary, who was already espoused to Joseph; for such a heinous crime would have subjected both the guilty parties to death, according to the law of Moses. But God having created all men and women, had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and pleasure: He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for His own conduct. It was also lawful in Him, after having thus dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in the mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.

 

 


“As God the Father begat the fleshly body of Jesus, so He, before the world began, begat his spirit. As the body required an earthly Mother, so his spirit required a heavenly Mother. As God associated in the capacity of a husband with the earthly mother, so likewise he associated in the same capacity with the heavenly one; earthly things being in the likeness of heavenly things; and that which is temporal being in the likeness of that which is eternal; or, in other words, the laws of generation upon the earth are after the order of the laws of generation in heaven” (The Seer, pp. 158-9; cf. B. H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith and the Saints, vol 2, p. 270)

 

We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as His Only Begotten in this world.” (The Seer, pp. 172-3)


Whew!

All of this Scrutinizin' is getting downright TIRESOME!!

34 posted on 02/20/2012 11:23:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dimeadozen
He built nothing. Mormonism has been around for over 160 years and has produced world renowned scientist, politicians, musicians, along with settling some of the most unfriendly parts of western US- so you and your friends can enjoy great skiing. Oh Snap!

 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

35 posted on 02/20/2012 11:24:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: IWONDR
fortunately, the rest of Christianity has been spared from their investigative reporting.

For now.

Our Press Release Kits are, at this very moment, in the mail to all major media outlets.

They have a ravenous hunger for ANY information that even BARELY touches MORMONism; I don't know why...

36 posted on 02/20/2012 11:28:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: IWONDR
... in the mail to all major media outlets.

Oh; did I mention all denominational headquarters as well?

37 posted on 02/20/2012 11:29:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: IWONDR

Say, sweetie. Since this thread is about mormonism, it actually makes sense that people are talking about mormonism. You want to talk about something else start your own thread.


38 posted on 02/20/2012 1:49:33 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

What anti-mormon mob on FR? Can you source that?


Now that’s funny stuff...totally straight-faced and everything !


39 posted on 02/20/2012 6:22:27 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: magritte
Now that’s funny stuff...totally straight-faced and everything !What are YOU chuckling about?

You are one of the biggest anti-MORMONs in these threads!

(Oh; you thought HIDING it in among your ANTI-christian stuff would get it a pass?)

40 posted on 02/20/2012 6:33:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Lol....I’ll check my posting history...see how many gazillion anti-Christian threads I’ve posted or how many times I’ve spammed threads with repetitious cut-n-paste non-germaine posts...

Sorry sport...the only anti I am is anti-religious bigot! I think Mormons and the Christians are just peachy keen people.


41 posted on 02/20/2012 7:58:39 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: magritte
Lol....I’ll check my posting history...see how many gazillion anti-Christian threads I’ve posted or how many times I’ve spammed threads with repetitious cut-n-paste non-germaine posts...

I see you are NOT saying that you are NOT an ANTI christian; just that you don't do it very often.


I think Mormons and the Christians are just peachy keen people.

Ma'am; you've GOT to be more aggressive about THEOLOGY!



42 posted on 02/21/2012 3:47:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte
I’ll check my posting history...



Santorum Questions Obama’s Christian Values

Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:37:02 AM · 62 of 63
Mormomism and its Uncle Christianity are equally silly to me and have nothing to do with whom I vote. 


 

Polygamy: Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, was the first Mormon prophet to practice polygamy.

Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:36:02 PM · 69 of 84
2. Snake handling Christians. That’s what happens when you can’t get decent TV reception in Appalachia.
6. Mormons believe in Kolob, which is close to God, which explains the outrageous rental rates there.

 

Seven Minutes Of Rick Santorum Talking About How Great Mitt Romney Is

Friday, February 10, 2012 8:27:21 AM · 4 of 68
Uh, no. Why? Even FR was pro-Romney in 2008.
 

Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

Tuesday, February 07, 2012 1:58:30 PM · 102 of 118
I do believe in the word of God to Noah, and I think the word of God to Moses was pretty good as well. Anything beyond that is pretty much just noise. That’s the mythology I have accepted and am finally peaceful with after years of tumult.
 

Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

Tuesday, February 07, 2012 12:38:26 PM · 95 of 118
 I was referring more to the Christian mythology, not the easily disproved facts.
 

Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

Monday, February 06, 2012 11:39:27 PM · 85 of 118
...as a non-Christian, all the Jesus believers are the same to me: Jewish apostates.
 

Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

Monday, February 06, 2012 10:33:05 PM · 83 of 118
...not interested in the false Christian prophets like Smith and the others...
 

Yes, Mormons tithe, but most others don’t

Monday, February 06, 2012 9:17:41 AM · 150 of 162
Your fickle god is not the God of the Jews. They’ll be just fine.
 

Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age [Lds church is hemorrhaging in member losses]

Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:26:58 AM · 33 of 177
 Jesus wasn’t a Christian either.
 

Would a Vote for a Member of a Cult to be President help Legitimise their Cult?

Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:18:23 AM · 61 of 111
The Religion Forum is fascinating: chockful of liars, bigots, saints, the lost, the angry, the searchers, the self-righteous.  HMMMmmm...

43 posted on 02/21/2012 4:11:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

That was just one month’s worth....


44 posted on 02/21/2012 4:12:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: hoosiermama
Felt the same way until a friend of the family got very upset about Romney possible winning. She had been a Mormon. Since then I found Tricia Erickson’s CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?

I have serious doubts if Romney was somehow elected. Romney believes the elected head of his church is a prophet of God. If this so-called (false) prophet of God calls up Romney and tells him to do something, he'll do it. Who is he going to listen to? Typical Americans or somebody that he thinks is a prophet of God?
45 posted on 02/21/2012 6:07:42 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: dimeadozen
To equate mormonism with Jim Jones is about the most ignorant comment I may have ever read. You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR. Think for yourself. Jim Jones was an advide leftist and evangelical preacher- “christian” philosphy in line with the main stream. He built nothing. Mormonism has been around for over 160 years and has produced world renowned scientist, politicians, musicians, along with settling some of the most unfriendly parts of western US- so you and your friends can enjoy great skiing. Oh Snap!

I have always believed that Mormonism was a cult. I've had that belief since the early 1970's when I visited my mother's brother and his wife. They had converted to Mormonism because their small town's Episcopalian church was, for some reason, unacceptable. The other church was Catholic--not an option. So they became Mormons.
So, I've heard about Mormonism until my aunt finally passed away five years ago. The uncle never did follow it.
My aunt had prayed me into Mormon heaven way back then...and I hadn't known that there WAS a different heaven for Mormons. It was then that I got the idea that Mormonism was a wacky cult, accent on the wacky.

The Jim Jones cult was also wacky but the Mormons, though wacky are NOT sickos, the JJ cult was. The Mormons are extremely successful, hard-working and all that VERY GOOD stuff. But any "faith" that believes that their elders will become rulers, that is, gods (small "g") on distant planets when they die is WACKY! That violates the first commandment and you know it. The Mormons, however much they propound it, are NOT Christians.

If I offended you, I apologize. However, if you are a long-standing member here in FR, your skin HAS to be thick, or you would have ulcers!

The Mormons have been around 160 years...the Catholic Church has been around 2000 years, tied in COMPLETELY, as Jesus WAS/IS the long-awaited Messiah, with Judasim which has been around another 1000+ years.

The Mormons, if the media is to be believed, is bleeding constituents. It had to happens when the Internet arrived. Now the Mormons aren't so insulated and their young can see "other truths."
IMHO, Jesus and HIS faith, will win. It can't lose since HIS faith had/has/will ALWAYS have the Holy Spirit guiding it.

P.S. I don't ski and avoid snow whenever possible. The Mormons settled in NOWHERE to avoid being run out of every town on a rail. They built their wacko cult where "no man has gone before." It won't last in the full light of today.

46 posted on 02/21/2012 6:53:40 AM PST by cloudmountain
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