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Rev. Franklin Graham: Romney Not a Christian
NewsMax ^ | February 21, 2012

Posted on 02/21/2012 1:02:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Rev. Franklin Graham says presidential candidate Mitt Romney is not a Christian.

Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe show, Graham was asked whether Romney is a Christian.

Graham said he likes Romney, but added, “He’s a Mormon.”

When one of the hosts suggested Romney still is part of the “Judeo-Christian faith,” Graham responded: “Most Christians would not recognize Mormons as part of the Christian faith.”

“I’m just saying that most Christians would not recognize Mormonism. Of course they believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in a lot of other things, too, that we don't accept theologically.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; franklingraham; gingrich; imom; inman; obama; romney; santorum; wehatemormons
That's going to leave a mark!
1 posted on 02/21/2012 1:02:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rev. Franklin Graham: Romney Not a Christian

Couldn't AGREE more.

2 posted on 02/21/2012 1:04:44 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well it should. It is no kindness to pretend people are fine when they are not.


3 posted on 02/21/2012 1:04:50 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mormons don’t believe in the same Christ that Christians do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=n3BqLZ8UoZk&annotation_id=annotation_938881&src_vid=7q6brMrFw0E


4 posted on 02/21/2012 1:11:53 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do think it is a shame that Mr. Graham is not willing to extend the same benefit of the doubt to Mitt Romney that he extends to Barack Obama. Graham had this to say when he was asked whether he thinks Barack Obama is a Christian: “You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and that God has forgiven me of my sins,” Graham said. “You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.””


5 posted on 02/21/2012 1:14:33 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: WayneS
"I do think it is a shame that Mr. Graham is not willing to extend the same benefit of the doubt to Mitt Romney that he extends to Barack Obama."

When Romney quits claiming to be a Mormon and claims to be a Christian, I'm sure Graham will extend him the same courtesy.

6 posted on 02/21/2012 1:19:33 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

mormonism is not Christianity - it’s that simple.


7 posted on 02/21/2012 1:20:14 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am pleased to see a clergyman step forward and speak the truth about Mormonism. As Christians we are expected to warn of false prophets. The LDS church is a secret society which promotes Theology Communism and is in control of every area of a member’s life. They have the dedication to take over our government, then that of the world. As Bishop, a Temple Mormon, Mitt Romney is fully aware of just whom the church worships, and as a member is not exempt from it’s control.

Thank you, Rev. Graham.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 1:35:20 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: DannyTN
Mormons claim to be Christians and the "Reverend" Jeremiah Wright's parishioners claim to be Christians...

In my opinion, both claims have approximately equal merit. But, as the Rev. Graham said when asked about Mr. Obama, I cannot REALLY answer that question for anyone else.

9 posted on 02/21/2012 1:41:58 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m glad Franklin had the guts to speak the truth. If you ever run across his autobiography, “Rebel With A Cause”, it’s a great read. I picked it up at a thrift shop for $1, desperate for something to read before a long flight. One of the most interesting books I’ve read.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 1:57:53 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: Paperdoll

You speak the Truth.


11 posted on 02/21/2012 2:01:03 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank-you and God Bless Rev. Franklin Graham!


12 posted on 02/21/2012 2:01:49 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: WayneS
I do think it is a shame that Mr. Graham is not willing to extend the same benefit of the doubt to Mitt Romney that he extends to Barack Obama.

He did actually suggest that Obama seems to be a Muslim. But he won't categorically say that Obama is not Christian, because there is no proof. You can't prove a negative. So, he says to ask Obama.

No need to ask Mitt Romney. He is proud to be a Mormon. That's fine, but Mormons are not Christians in the traditional sense of the word, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant.

13 posted on 02/21/2012 2:09:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WayneS

“I do think it is a shame that Mr. Graham is not willing to extend the same benefit of the doubt to Mitt Romney that he extends to Barack Obama.”

When a man claims Jesus Christ, we give him the benefit of the doubt.

When a man claims Jesus Christ is a created spirit being who became one of an infinite number of mormon gods, we assume he is a heretic, an idiot, or sincerely wrong.

We don’t assume He is a Christian, which involves following the real Christ.

We do pray the person comes to know the True Christ.


14 posted on 02/21/2012 2:13:17 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: WayneS

No, I am sorry that is apples and oranges. Romney is a Mormon. They are not a part of the Christian family. That is not putting them down it is describing them. They can be good people, really good people. But Christians they are not by definition. Mr. Obama’s claims are deferent. He claims to be part of the historic faith. I do not know if he is serious or not, but it is NOT the same as being Mormon. Mormonism, the LDS church is a different ‘religion’.


15 posted on 02/21/2012 2:28:25 PM PST by dt57
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this is hardly news — a member of a non-Trinitarian group like the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses or islam is not a Christian.


16 posted on 02/21/2012 3:15:06 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

lol


17 posted on 02/21/2012 3:23:03 PM PST by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: svcw
Rev. Franklin Graham: Romney Not a Christian

Wow! I'm surprised the Mormon Attack Brigade hasn't swooped in here and called Rev. Franklin Graham a bigot yet?

18 posted on 02/21/2012 3:42:38 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pf course he’s not a Christian.

FR Christians have been saying that for years.


19 posted on 02/21/2012 3:50:26 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s about time the world hears that Mormonism is not a Christian religion.


20 posted on 02/21/2012 4:00:16 PM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: WayneS

Based upon what? Mormon theology is diametrically opposed to Christian theology. Mormons themselves admit that their “Jesus” is not the same Jesus of Christianity.

0bama at least attends churches that are derived from Christianity - though we could argue some of the fundamentals and interpretations - they maintain as their doctrinal statements theology opposite to mormonism and within the circle of Christianity. So that when 0bama lays out his definition and terms they are compatable with Christianity in general. Mormonism’s use of those same terms have been redefined so that externally they appear “Christian” yet with further evaluation of mormon meaning become non-christian.

Huckabee had it right - mormon “Jesus” is the spirit brother of satan and not the God the Son, Second Person of the Trinity, creator of all - including satan. Graham has it correct as well. The mormon Jesus is only a cardboard cut out of the Real Jesus.


21 posted on 02/21/2012 4:22:53 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m glad to see he had the grit to just say it.


22 posted on 02/21/2012 6:05:48 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mormons are Christians! Those who do not believe this, do not understand the true history of the Trinity in the early Church. There is a great Web site that provides evidence (that is fully documented) to this point, which can be accessed by using the following link:

http://www.mormonsarechristians.us


23 posted on 02/21/2012 6:12:32 PM PST by KOPPKS
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To: KOPPKS

So, your real point about the “true history of the Trinity” is that Mormons really are Christians because Christians who call themselves Christians aren’t really Christians. Did I get that about right?

And all this is fully documented?

Yes, and Obama’s long term budget projection that saves $4 trillion over the next ten years is also fully documented.


24 posted on 02/21/2012 8:51:09 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: WayneS
Graham has spoken on other occasions concerning Obamas faith being questionable etc. He did however make the point that Obama was born a Muslim and his father was as well. Obama has stated he is and isn't a Muslim rather a Christian...so it's pretty tough to nail down just what Obama really believes...I personally don't think he has a belief other than lip service to whatever the moment might seem to dictate he should be.

On the other hand there is no question of Romney's belief in the teachings of LDS and his holding the Priesthood office within the organization. Further there's no question LDS is not Christian when one exams their doctrines and teachings...and for those who have there's no question Romney's "religion" is not Christian and why the Christian community does not accept Mormonism as Christian.

If Romney were genuinely a Christian he could not remain in the LDS. Impossible.

25 posted on 02/21/2012 9:03:01 PM PST by caww
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To: KOPPKS
No, the Mormon Organization does not teach Christianity, rather It hides itself behind a mask of Christian verbage in order to attempt to qualify itself as Christian. Most cults and false religions do this as well. Mormonism has every earmark of that which defines a cult....with just enough Christian verbage to bait and deceive the uninformed....for if they were familar with the scriptures and the teachings of Christ they would not remain Mormons nor would they have become one in the first place.
26 posted on 02/21/2012 9:10:43 PM PST by caww
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To: Paperdoll
Mitt Romney is fully aware of just whom the church worships, and as a member is not exempt from it’s control.

Exactly,.... and he fully understands the 'political agenda' of that leadership which he must be submissive to...though it's agenda is clouded with religious overtones it's nonetheless political first and foremost to all the leadership.

The members however are often kept in the dark of the full impact of their leaders agenda and unfortunately foot the bill for their endeavors and ambitions...just as takes place for all false religions and cults. The leadership needs the flow of revenue to continue, thus the enormous push and requirement to recruit new members to fill their coffers.

That is what they do when sending out their youth and others across the nation (required of it's members)...all in the name of their religion, when in fact these are the "ant laborers" for the Queen Bees to keep their bank vaults full while they take the peoples monies and invest in land acquisitions, developments and a host of other business ventures.

So when Romney talks about making his money thru investments....and his millions given for "charity" to his church...it really is all about the business ventures amongst the elite within their organization..dubbed a church...of which Romney and his family are one among the many.

27 posted on 02/21/2012 9:25:53 PM PST by caww
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To: KOPPKS; 2ndDivisionVet

Welcome, n00b. Stick around, read the threads and you will discover Mormons are anything BUT Christians. We do an excellent job of exposing Mormonism’s evil, unbiblical and heretical doctrines.

It is my understanding of the Early Church and the history of the Trinity that led me OUT of Mormonism and into Christianity.


28 posted on 02/21/2012 11:12:22 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: KOPPKS; Godzilla; greyfoxx39; svcw; aMorePerfectUnion; colorcountry; Colofornian

Oh and don’t expect Mormon propaganda to go unchallenged on FR. It won’t.

Again, welcome and hopefully your eyes will be opened to the truth of the lies of Mormonism.


29 posted on 02/21/2012 11:14:51 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have watched Mitt Romney flat out speak LIES.... Christians do not bear false witness.... no matter what denomination they follow. And Christians do not worship at the altar of that golden bull. This same standard applies to any and all no matter what they claim to be. Using the power of elected office to take from citizens to pay off campaign promises is NOT Christian either.

Oh, to be clear I am not talking about becoming wealthy by the sweat of ones own brow. God only required 10% of ones ‘profit’ to fund His work.


30 posted on 02/21/2012 11:35:18 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have watched Mitt Romney flat out speak LIES.... Christians do not bear false witness.... no matter what denomination they follow. And Christians do not worship at the altar of that golden bull. This same standard applies to any and all no matter what they claim to be. Using the power of elected office to take from citizens to pay off campaign promises is NOT Christian either.

Oh, to be clear I am not talking about becoming wealthy by the sweat of ones own brow. God only required 10% of ones ‘profit’ to fund His work.


31 posted on 02/21/2012 11:36:35 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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32 posted on 02/21/2012 11:43:47 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: reaganaut; KOPPKS

n00b or retread?


33 posted on 02/21/2012 11:52:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: WayneS

This isn’t a matter of ‘opinion,’ yours or Rev. Graham’s. It’s theological. The theology of LDS is not Christian and is not recognized by any Christian denomination as such, not the Protestants, the Catholics, or the Orthodox.

On the other hand, “Trinity” Church of Rev. Wright fame is a branch of the United Church of Christ, which is a recognized Christian denomination. Interestingly, one of the fundamental beliefs that separates LSD from Christianity is recognition (or not) of a Triune God.

Rev. Graham’s response merely stated what is believed throughout Christendom, that LSD is not Christian. It has nothing to do with any individual member of any church, either Romney or Obama, and it has nothing to do with partisan politics. It has to do with the beliefs of the churches themselves..


34 posted on 02/22/2012 12:06:13 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: KOPPKS

mormonism teach a created christ
Christianity teaches an eternal Christ
mormonism teaches a progressed god who was once a man
Christianity teaches an eternal God
mormonism teaches salvation by works
Christianity teaches Salvation by Grace
mormonism is not in any fashion Christianity


35 posted on 02/22/2012 4:16:23 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: presently no screen name

retread
However, now they have their own web page, rather than posting on FR. I am expecting to see more links to their own page.


36 posted on 02/22/2012 4:26:21 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

Interesting. Thanks.

Their walking/talking billboard, mitt, is enough info about LDS for anyone to NEVER want to be associated with such a worldly organization. Liars are from the pit - and nothing about Christ in that - no matter what they are taught/think.


37 posted on 02/22/2012 5:23:21 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When only ONE of the fifteen top leaders of the mormon church has ANY religious or theological training, and the other fourteen are primarily businessmen or attorneys, it's pretty evident that Christianity is not the foundation of the sect.

Council on the Disposition of the Tithes

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Council on the Disposition of the Tithes (also known as the Council on the Disposition of Tithing) is a leadership body in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, composed of the First Presidency, the Presiding Bishopric, and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Council determines how the tithing funds of the church will be spent. The Council oversees revenue, investments and expenditures valued at billions of dollars per year.

While the Church employs an independent auditing department which provides an annual report to the Church[1], it has not published full financial reports since 1959.

The Council was established by church founder Joseph Smith, Jr. on 8 July 1838.[2] As of April 2009, the members of the Council are:


38 posted on 02/22/2012 6:09:47 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: Cronos

That is why, if a person who is Mormon or Jehovah Witness, for example, was to come into the Catholic Church, they would have to go through the RCIA and be baptized.


39 posted on 02/22/2012 9:02:16 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: KOPPKS

If that be so, why is it that the vast majority of Christian churches DO NOT ACCEPT the Mormon baptism? Goes to show that the Mormon religion is another faith, it is not Christian.


40 posted on 02/22/2012 1:22:03 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: KOPPKS
This link is much better: If Mormonism is 'anti-Christian,' then how can it be considered 'Christian?'
41 posted on 02/22/2012 7:07:00 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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