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Those who are critical of Rick Santorum for speaking of Satan are thereby criticizing the Church
La Salette Journey ^ | February 22, 2012 | Paul Melanson

Posted on 02/22/2012 10:23:47 AM PST by cleghornboy

We can expect presidential candidate Rick Santorum to continue to come under heavy fire for warning that, "Satan has his sights on the United States of America" and that he is "attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition."

We read here that, "The former senator from Pennsylvania warned in 2008 how politics and government are falling to Satan. 'This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age? He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions.' Santorum made the provocative comments to students at Ave Maria University in Florida."

We are experiencing various signs of demonic activity throughout our troubled culture and even many of our shepherds have not taken this seriously. Demonic abortion continues to be practiced even while our society rushes to embrace a culture of sodomy and same-sex "marriage." Many individuals, including some Catholic priests, have abandoned themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drug use.

Our culture has been so secularized that any mention of the supernatural realm is greeted either with complete indifference or with ridicule.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in its document entitled "Les formes de la superstition," helped the faithful better understand the Church's teaching regarding demonic spirits. The document said that, "It would be a fatal mistake to act as if history were already finished and redemption had achieved all its effects, so that it were no longer necessary to to engage in the struggle [against the Devil and demons] of which the New Testament and the masters of the spiritual life speak...To maintain today, therefore, that Jesus' words about Satan express only a teaching borrowed from his culture and are unimportant for the faith of other believers is evidently to show little understanding either of the Master's character or of his age. If Jesus used this kind of language and, above all, if he translated it into practice during his ministry, it was because it expressed a doctrine that was to some extent essential to the idea and reality of the salvation that he was bringing....Satan whom Jesus attacked with his exorcisms and confronted in the wilderness and in his passion, cannot simply be a product of the human ability to tell stories and personify ideas nor a stray survival of a primitive culture and its language...Satan's action on man is admittedly interior but it is impossible to regard him as therefore simply a personification of sin and temptation....It was for all these reasons that the Fathers of the Church were convinced from Scripture that Satan and the demons are the enemies of man's redemption, and they did not fail to remind the faithful of their existence and action..."

Pope Paul VI, in a general audience on November 15, 1972, asked, "What are the Church's greatest needs at the present time?" and provided an answer: "Don't be surprised at our answer and don't write it off as simplistic or even superstitious: one of the Church's greatest needs is to be defended against the evil which we call the Devil...Evil is not merely an absence of something but an active force, a living, spiritual being that is perverted and that perverts others....It is a departure from the picture provided by biblical and Church teaching to refuse to acknowledge the Devil's existence...or to explain the Devil as a pseudoreality, a conceptual, fanciful, personification of the unknown causes of our misfortunes....St. Paul calls him the 'god of this world,' and warns us of the struggle we Christians must carry on in the dark, not only against one Devil, but against a frightening multiplicity of them..."

Back in 2010, Archbishop Charles Chaput gave a keynote address to the Emmanuel Community of Rome's conference on "Priests and Laity in the Mission." During this address, His Excellency elaborated on a major theme of his talk - the reality of Satan and the importance of "spiritual combat," saying that, "I think we live in disappointing times, in times of confusion, and in some ways that is the result of our failure to understand that we have an enemy in the Devil, but also we have enemies in the world around us."

Then His Excellency pointed to a "great talk" from an American Protestant pastor he once heard which was entitled "We preach as though we don't have enemies," and reflected that this sentiment "is true in the United States..." adding, "I think it's important to understand the we are in a battle, we really do live in a time of spiritual combat and I think we've lost that sense of the Church," Archbishop Chaput stated.

Archbishop Chaput continued with a comparison of the temptation we face to be like "everyone else" like the Israelites from the Old Testament wishing for a king like the other nations. They wanted a king ... they got Saul and he was a good man, and then he became a politician and he lost his faith. We're just like that...In America, we don't want to be different than our Protestant brothers and sisters, or the secular forces around us. And, I think that's the great danger of our time, we don't love God enough and we don't enter into combat with the enemy enough and we need to recommit ourselves to doing that," he urged.

Those who criticize Rick Santorum for addressing the reality of Satan and the spiritual combat which we find ourselves in are not just criticizing Mr. Santorum. They are ridiculing the teaching of Jesus and His Apostles (and most notably St. Paul). They are ridiculing the Church Fathers, the Popes and the Saints who taught on the reality of Satan. They are ridiculing more than 2,000 years of Church tradition.

How is that for going "well over the line"?


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: america; doctrine; santorum; satan

1 posted on 02/22/2012 10:23:57 AM PST by cleghornboy
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To: cleghornboy

The liberals are making the mistake of reading their own press clippings. They think everyone agrees with them that talk of Satan is crazy and extreme, when in fact most Americans believe in Heaven and Hell.


2 posted on 02/22/2012 10:25:49 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cleghornboy

Is anyone really surprised to find the Mainstream Media PROTECTING Satan?


3 posted on 02/22/2012 10:30:52 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: cleghornboy

We FReepers who would like Rick to SUCCEED, are merely suggesting that this is NOT a productive campaign focus.

Obama is vulnerable on a HOST of other issues, of more concern TO A BROADER RANGE OF VOTERS, WHO ARE NECESSARY TO RICK’S SUCCESS!!!!

GET IT?


4 posted on 02/22/2012 10:31:46 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry
I don't think the MSM cruises this site.

You are talking about them, right? Because they're the ones trying to set the focus. Santorum has been saying he will not allow the media to distract him from Obama's record.

5 posted on 02/22/2012 10:33:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: muawiyah

LOL


6 posted on 02/22/2012 10:34:48 AM PST by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: skeeter

You shoulda seen the hate mail I received here on FR, for suggesting this is not an effective campaign focus.

this is AFTER I was very clear that Rick is right.....


7 posted on 02/22/2012 10:40:17 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: G Larry
Too bad... Those defending christian doctrine ought to know to refrain from being abusive in defense of their beliefs. Its counterproductive.

However, its not them or Rick dictating the focus here. Its the state run bottom feeding mainstream media.

8 posted on 02/22/2012 10:47:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cleghornboy
Those who criticize Rick Santorum for addressing the reality of Satan and the spiritual combat which we find ourselves in are not just criticizing Mr. Santorum. They are ridiculing the teaching of Jesus and His Apostles (and most notably St. Paul). They are ridiculing the Church Fathers, the Popes and the Saints who taught on the reality of Satan. They are ridiculing more than 2,000 years of Church tradition. Men are given free will to make decisions and choices in their life....it's given to us by God. I get tired of people blaming God or satan for the decisions men make of their own free will to do so.....

Yes there is of course Good and evil and with that God gives or not men discernment to determine the difference....and we know this by the scripture teachings....not by traditions or doctrines any church denomination who velieves they set the standards for everyone else to live by.

Santorum cannot dictate his religious beliefs on others just because he thinks he's the new "Prophet" of our times. We are voting for a President....and I frankly don't want a President who thinks his job is to tell me what chrcu is better over others.....not his job.

Had Santorum framed his beliefs within the framework of our coutry's consititution and or how our founding fathers believed in God...that would have been acceptable...but he's preaching and that's just wrong for a candidate to do in the manner Santorum is doing...he's all about "judging" and that's another reason he was booted out of office here in Pa. People grew tired of his bellowing and self rightous battering.

9 posted on 02/22/2012 10:53:44 AM PST by caww
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To: skeeter
However, its not them or Rick dictating the focus here.

Excellent point! He should be directing and re-directing the focus to Obama, period. Instead, he seems content to just passively goes with the flow and allow the MSM to dictate the message. Too bad we couldn't transplant Newt's brain into Santorum's head.

10 posted on 02/22/2012 11:06:03 AM PST by al44
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To: al44

You need to listen more carefully. He’s well aware of what the media is attempting to do & has said he will not be drawn off topic.


11 posted on 02/22/2012 11:11:18 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

He’s says that while defending things he’s said. OK.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 11:14:35 AM PST by al44
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To: G Larry

A. This speech happened 4 years ago.
B. He was speaking at a Catholic University.

Santorum isn’t the one who is bringing this stuff up. His enemies are.


13 posted on 02/22/2012 11:18:34 AM PST by DManA
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To: G Larry

To suggest that Santorum has made Satan his campaign focus is asinine. But he is entitled to his religious views. Robert Gibbs didn’t like it when Santorum merely questioned Obama’s religious views, alleging that this questioning went “well over the line.” How then is it acceptable to ridicule Santorum’s beliefs regarding the reality of Satan?

Anyone who is critical of Rick Santorum for believing in the reality of Satan and the spiritual combat is thereby criticizing Christian doctrine on Satan and all who adhere to it.


14 posted on 02/22/2012 11:21:32 AM PST by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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To: cleghornboy

I disagree that Satan is the problem as much as the perfidy of man, perhaps inspired by Satan, granted.

As a rather chilling tale, I remember back when Obama was just a candidate running against Hillary. There was the typical huffing and puffing at the time that Obama might be the antichrist.

However, there was some unusual chatter by those supporting Obama, to the effect that they *hoped* Obama was the antichrist, because “Then he would be powerful and give us stuff, and hurt the people we hate!”

At the time, appalled, the light dawned that this seems to be the shortsighted ambition of the Democrat party in general, that the purpose of power is to “reward your friends and punish your enemies.”

And they really don’t think beyond that point.

I don’t think this is the work of Satan, in particular because such blindness, greed and utter amorality seems to be more an absence of wisdom, a repulsion of virtue, a meanness of spirit that is a case of omission, not commission.

Such people are amoral as a rejection of virtue, stupid as a rejection of wisdom, and hateful, not out of envy, but out of utter despair.

They do not need to follow Satan, because by one definition they are already in Hell. They live in the absence of God, by choice. In their quest to forget their knowledge of good and evil, they have not returned to Eden, but stagger around aimlessly looking for a new god.


15 posted on 02/22/2012 11:24:20 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: cleghornboy
The assertion made by the title of this thread is one of the silliest I've ever seen on FR.

Just who the hell are YOU to adjudicate who is attacking the church? A Cardinal? The Pope?

Somebody with absolutely no standing, but an opinion?

16 posted on 02/22/2012 11:34:06 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Said the guy who is accusing a complete stranger, whom he knows nothing about, of having ‘no standing’.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 11:58:53 AM PST by skeeter
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To: cleghornboy

Dear Mr. Asinine,

For suggesting I’ve been critical of Rick’s beliefs.

If you had read what I posted here or recently, you would know that I support his Christian/Catholic beliefs and statements, here and regarding Contraception.

My admonition has been to shift the focus of his campaign.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 11:58:57 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

While we can’t prove that Obama is the Antichrist, we certainly know by now that he’s one of the Acolytes of the Antichrist ~ ever see that guy catch flies ~ a regular old Belzebub Fur Shur.


19 posted on 02/22/2012 12:03:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mariner; cleghornboy
Just who the hell are YOU to adjudicate who is attacking the church?

From the author's biography at the blog.

Born in Bitburg, Germany, Paul Melanson is a Catholic lay-philosopher and apologist whose work has appeared in many publications and websites including The Union Leader, The Wanderer, Seattle Catholic, Newsblaze, Helium, and Amazines. He has been interviewed by The National Catholic Register, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the television newsmagazine Chronicle.
Does one have to be the Pope in order to recognize an attack on the church? I'm not even a Catholic and I feel it's an attack against all believers.

Look, we all know you hate Santorum and are frustrated because his numbers haven't plummeted the way you'd hoped "once the Romney slime machine is turned on him." But you can't deny when they ridicule Rick Santorum, their real target is the church (body of believers).

20 posted on 02/22/2012 12:13:17 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: cleghornboy

Message to liberals: you all belong to Satan as you stand, and you all are going to hell, you even make music about it (Highway to Hell), get over it.

When one preaches and embraces irresponsability, laughs at not having to learn to be good, and is stuck there and cannot backtrack, one is going all kinds of problems. What is so difficult to figure about that reality.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 12:16:47 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: muawiyah
While we can’t prove that Obama is the Antichrist

Sorry, what religion are we talking about here? Obama is almost certainly an antichrist but so are millions of atheists/pagans/islamists. Where in the book of Revelations is there mention of the Antichrist? After various discussions in my Bible hermeneutics and exegesis class, it is far from clear that there is any mention of the Antichrist. It is highly unlikely that there exists One figure who shall herald the coming of Judgement Day. Especially since we know of mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin who didn't. Obama is a socialist/Marxist president who is going to set our country a few years back in liberty and progress. But the Antichrist, assuming that such an idea even exists...?
22 posted on 02/22/2012 1:24:40 PM PST by kroll
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To: kroll
There are theological disagreements on the nature of Antichrist. I believe the Catholics argue on behalf of a multitude of such creatures. Protestants tend toward the argument that there is just one.

Hence, my use of "acolyte of the Antichrist" ~ a compromise between the two views ~ and that is simply because they show up every now and then.

23 posted on 02/22/2012 1:39:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: kroll
At the same time almost anything said about supernatural beings in the early part of the First Century AD (CE for you Atheists and non-believers) has to be read within the context of what the early Christians had to deal with. Your typical Roman citizen easily believed his emperor was a god ~ and I can only suppose the typical Roman Christian could think it highly probable that the emperor was possessed by a demon (with delusions of being a god).

No matter what you believed you'd definitely want to keep your thoughts to yourself lest the emperor's minions killed you, or made your life miserable.

I suspect the news about the recent finding of First Century Mark materials will assist us in understanding Christian thought at that time.

That this is a serious matter I have no doubt in consideration of the fact that so much of the original Christian Gospel has been kept intact from that time. You don't get to do that without help ~

24 posted on 02/22/2012 1:46:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cleghornboy

It’s alright if the Librats characterize their opponents as the spawn of Satan. But it’s out of bounds to name their god.


25 posted on 02/22/2012 2:07:22 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: cleghornboy

Invoking Satan is a way of saying “the devil made people do it”.

People need to be responsible for their own actions.


26 posted on 02/22/2012 4:24:38 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

Wrong DNA.2012, as The Most Rev. Robert Finn, Bishop of Kansas City-St. Joseph, has said: “Our enemy is the deceiver, the liar, Satan. Because of his spiritual powers he can turn the minds and hearts of men. He is our spiritual or supernatural enemy when he works to tempt us, and he becomes a kind of natural enemy as he works in the hearts of other people to twist and confound God’s will. In our human experience people deceived by Satan’s distortions and lies may appear as our ‘human enemies.’

But, in his Letter to the Ephesians, St. Paul makes, for us, a very important distinction. ‘Draw strength from the Lord and from His mighty power,’ He tells them and us. ‘Put on the armor of God, in order that you can stand firm against the tactics of the devil.’ ‘For, our struggle,’ St. Paul tells us, ‘is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the rulers of this darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens.’ (Eph 6:10-12).

So let’s be clear: Human beings are not Satan, but certainly they can come under his power, even without their fully realizing it. When we, in our sinfulness, put something in the place of God: pleasure and convenience; material success; political power and prestige, we open a door for the principalities and contrary spirits who war against God. They want you and me for their prize. When we forsake God and outwardly reject His law and what we know to be His will, we make an easy victory for our supernatural enemies. We fall right into their hands.”

See full address here:

http://www.catholicbible101.com/weareatwar.htm

Don’t criticize Rick Santorum for saying what many Bishops - such as Charles Chaput - have also said. Santorum is not the one making this his campaign focus. He made his comments several years ago and some are trying to use his comments for their own political agenda. But he is merely asserting what the Church believes and teaches - that which is emphasized by Sacred Scripture - that our struggle is with principalities and powers.

If you don’t like that message, that’s your problem. But Santorum has a right to his Catholic faith and his beliefs.


27 posted on 02/23/2012 3:27:24 AM PST by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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