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To: albionin
No. Morals and ethics are a choice whether based on objective or subjective reality. Did you not see that I used the word “reason” in there. Of course if you reject reason then we have nothing more to say to one another.

Oh, excuse me. I was not aware this was still the eighteenth century. Where's my powdered wig?

The problem is, "reason" is 100% amoral. It can be used for any purpose, moral or immoral. A mass murderer can use "reason" every bit as well as you do, sir (or madam).

The only "natural laws" are those that say things like "if you jump off a cliff you will fall." There is no "natural law" promoting morality or ethics.

19 posted on 02/23/2012 7:44:04 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I don’t accept your premises. What does the eitheenth century have to do with anything? You say that there are no natural laws promoting moral values or ethics. There is, The law of identity. Your argument is that reason is impudent in questions of values. I disagree.


23 posted on 02/23/2012 8:30:42 AM PST by albionin
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