"Salvation" as defined by the Catholic Catechism

Catholic Catechism, - US Conference of Catholic Bishops ^ | Leap Day - 2-29-2012 | The Catholic Church

[fishtank]

If you look up "salvation" in a Catholic Catechism, what does one find?

I'll show you....

Several years ago, I had an authoritative catechism that didn't even have a glossary entry for "salvation", but the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has a catechism that DOES have an entry for "salvation".

Let's see what they say:

[nonsporting]

Except that the "that" (the singular neuter demonstrative pronoun) is not referring to faith (a feminine noun); rather it and the subsequent "gift" (a singular neuter noun) are referring back to "the overwhelming wealth" (a singular neuter noun) in the previous verse 7. It's the "overwhelming riches of God's grace" that is the gift that we receive through faith.

[touto] (that) is neuter singular. [ploutos] (wealth) is masculine singular. It is unlikely that [ploutos] is the antecedent for [touto], otherwise we have an agreement error.

[touto] can reference a verb phrase: "[by grace] are ye saved". We know from many other contexts that "salvation" is the "election of grace" (Romans 11:5-7)

[Salvation]

God is the imminent Creator. Not until verse 26 are the words "Let us" used in scripture.

Yes, according to John 1, the entire Trinity God, Word and Spirit were present at creation.

But Genesis only mentions God (singular) and the Spirit (wind in some translations) moving over the chaos.

Genesis 1
1	In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2	The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
3	And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4	And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5	God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
6	And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
7	And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so.
8	And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
9	And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so.
10	God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11	And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so.
12	The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
13	And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
14	And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
15	and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so.
16	And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also.
17	And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth,
18	to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19	And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
20	And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens."
21	So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22	And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
23	And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.
24	And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.
25	And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26	Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27	So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28	And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
29	And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
30	And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
31	And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.

[aruanan]

[touto] (that) is neuter singular. [ploutos] (wealth) is masculine singular. It is unlikely that [ploutos] is the antecedent for [touto], otherwise we have an agreement error.

πλουτος is either masculine or neuter. In the case of Ephesians 2:7, it is neuter as seen by the neuter definite article and adjective το υπερβαλλον. There is, therefore, no agreement error.

[Quix]

ACTUALLY,

As I warned about 1-3 years ago . . .

The Vatican is already in the process with more and more ‘leaks’ surfacing . . .

of REDEFINING RELIGIOUS REALITY

INCLUDING

what Salvation means:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l3POTjo6iQ&feature=uploademail

[SaraJohnson]

Social engineers of multiculturalism are now working on a one world religion. They claim Muslims and Christians and Jews worship the same god and denounce anyone who disagrees as a hater. Detractors call it Christlam. Some of the idiot churches are pushing it. Rick Warren for one. Public schools are now pushing it onto Christian children.

Given the success of the massive deception of the homo agenda and global warming, I don’t doubt for a minute that liberals would pull out a massive deception to end Christianity which they claim is the major problem with everything on earth that is not Utopia (sinful). They want to impose the precepts of liberation theology for the new world order imposed on all and presenting something shockingly “superior” like a faith in alien intellegence - based in “science” and in opposition to Christ - would do the trick.

It will be interesting to see how they pull off the one world religion piece of their new world order dreams. Deception will definently be a part of it. And the Left has no problem with slaughtering it’s Christian and Jewish opposition who reject it’s doctrines.

[SaraJohnson]

There is a struggle in the Catholic church for influence between socialists and conservatives. This scenario proposes the possibility that conservative Catholics lose the struggle over the church to the bad guys in the end days.

Conservative Catholics will realize when it happens and they will be persecuted for fighting against the Left’s total revisionism of the Catholic faith. It is a battle they are familiar with and have managed to win for the most part, in the aftermath of Vatican II.

I trust conservative Catholics to see and reject it if it happens no matter what deception comes their way from liberal church “authority.” They are anchored in Jesus and are not going to abandon Him even if globalist Marxists take over the church through a Pope. I think they will be the fiercest fighters if that should ever happen.

[Salvation]

No socialism.

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

~Archbishop Chaput

[nonsporting]

πλουτος is either masculine or neuter. In the case of Ephesians 2:7, it is neuter as seen by the neuter definite article and adjective το υπερβαλλον. There is, therefore, no agreement error.

I see what's going on. I have the Majority Greek text.

(Ephesians 2:7) [...hina endeiksetai en tois aiosin tois eperchomenois [ton hyperballonta plouton] tes charitos. (that he might show in the ages that are coming the surprassing riches of his grace).]

You must be using the Critical Text.

In any event there is no need to search for an antecedent in :7, since the verb phrase is natural and immediate. Further, all the English translations have "that" not "those/these" which would be required in English if "riches" (plural) were the antecendent.

[SaraJohnson]

In the leadership, there is social justice and they supported socialized medicine. They support a lot of redistributionist idiocy in the Catholic Church and hard core socialists are always waiting in the wings for their Pope to revise the faith into liberation theology. I was a Catholic so I am speaking from direct experience. So far, the conservatives have held back total revisionism. But the dark ones wait in the wings for their chance at power and work against the chruch and faith at all times.

[Lera]

If you read the original Hebrew it mentions the Alpha Omega (Alef Tav)in the very first line of the bible .

[Iscool]

Jesus is the SON, not the Creator!
God the Father
“In the beginning GOD created.......” Genesis

Apparently you don't have a grasp of the Trinity...Jesus is God...

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

[Iscool]

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

God's image is Jesus...

[Lera]

Jesus is the SON, not the Creator! God the Father “In the beginning GOD created.......” Genesis
Gen 1:1 בראשׁית ברא אלהים את השׁמים ואת הארץ׃
It actually says Elohim Alef Tav (translated to Greek = Alpha Omega)but the Alef Tav is never translated.
Who is this child Isaiah speaks of ?


Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Who is the Alpha and Omega?

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

He has always existed .

[Apollo5600]

“Jesus is the SON, not the Creator!

God the Father

“In the beginning GOD created.......” Genesis”

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.

First three verses of John chapter 1.

[Apollo5600]

Notice the emphasis on obtaining, attaining, etc., in these various quotes from the catechism.

Salvation is not something you achieve by having faith and a combination of good works or rituals. Salvation is a free gift that is given to those who confess with their heart that Jesus is Lord. It is something that we are given when we specifically did not deserve it.

Romans 4
1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The Catechism is trying to have it both ways. It can’t ignore the bible, but at the same time, it cannot allow salvation to be “easy”. They want you to jump through hoops, such as mandatory mass, brown spaculars, confession to priests, and so on and so forth.

[Lera]

Salvatiob :Jesus is the SON, not the Creator! God the Father
“In the beginning GOD created.......” Genesis
Iscool :Apparently you don't have a grasp of the Trinity...Jesus is God...
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
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Guess this confusion happens when you try to make Mary the mother of God and you reduce him to a cracker kept in a little gold house that needs to be sacrificed every week .
Is it a wonder they don't grasp the fact that HE died ONCE to pay for ALL OUR SINS and you are saved by believing ?

[johngrace]

[aruanan]

Notice the emphasis on obtaining, attaining, etc., in these various quotes from the catechism.

Salvation is not something you achieve by having faith and a combination of good works or rituals.

Notice that you're reading things into the clear statement to try to make it seem otherwise in order, then, to criticize it for the lack of clarity that you yourself created.

[narses]

Of course - and I am sure you didn't know this - an honest reading of that section of the Catechism would acknowledge that it is headed:

"The Church and non-Christians"

Now that you KNOW this, perhaps you can remember to mention that fact when you post misleading excerpts?

[Rashputin]

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Actually, the problem starts with those who call Jesus Christ a liar by denying that Christ meant what he said about His body and His blood.

You know, the sort of people who mock the Eucharist and pretend they're Christian in spite of clearly calling Jesus Christ Himself a liar. Such folks may claim to be Christian but they feel free to call Jesus Christ a liar because they really worship their own, Most High and Holy Self.

You can pick them out in any crowd, though, because like the evil they listen to they hate the body and blood of Christ since they know it's what has defeated them. They're also always afraid of Christ crucified because they know His Crucifixion is our salvation and their sentence to Hell along with their master. That's why they act like a Hollywood B movie Vampire when they see a Crucifix, they do not follow Scripture and preach Christ and Him crucified. Instead, they preach, "me and Jesus are fishin' buddies and since I said the majick words good Ol' Jesus owes me so I can do no wrong".

Jude 1:10 But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves and have perished in the contradiction of Core.

The Church teaches us that we're to avoid the sort of folks who call Christ a liar and leave them to the Holy Spirit to deal with. The reason the Church teaches that is because it's what the Scriptures says to do and like everything else the Church teaches it is the same thing Christ and the Apostles taught. Too bad for the pretend Christians who instead follow their own fantasies and preferences rather than the Word of God.

Titus 3:9 but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.

Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ by calling Jesus Christ a liar can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.