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"Salvation" as defined by the Catholic Catechism
Catholic Catechism, - US Conference of Catholic Bishops ^ | Leap Day - 2-29-2012 | The Catholic Church

Posted on 02/29/2012 8:27:50 AM PST by fishtank

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To: Lera

Tobit is found not only in the Septuagint, but in the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran (in both Hebrew and Aramaic). Jerome’s translation of the Bible into Latin is from an Aramaic source. It is contained in the Codex Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Venetus, and Sinaiticus, to name a few.

The Council of Carthage in 397 declared it canonical and Trent in 1546 confirmed it. Jesus and the Apostles used the Septuagint and so did all the early Christians, which contains Tobit. They all believed it to be Scripture every bit as much as Genesis. On whose authority do you declare Tobit non canonical?

51 posted on 03/01/2012 12:40:44 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Just came in from work and was checking this out due to a ping.

Thank you for the belly laugh this induced:)

52 posted on 03/01/2012 4:21:22 PM PST by Jvette
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To: nonsporting
The English translations all reflect the understanding that [touto] does NOT refer to [ploutos], since it renders the demonstrative pronoun as English singular "that" and not "these" and the subsequent verb phrase ("it is") is singular.

But "ploutos" is not plural. It is singular. It is translated in English as "riches" but it could just as easily be translated as "wealth."
53 posted on 03/01/2012 5:55:43 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Lera
"woops my mistake"

Good, now we know without a doubt that the folks who ignore what Christ Himself said believe the the Pharisees but not Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

That's always the starting point for those who apply the Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation as part of their pretending to be Christian while at the same time denying deity of Jesus Christ by calling Christ a liar. First they throw out the Christian canon, then they reinterpret or ignore whatever doesn't fit with their worship of their Most High and Holy Self, and finally they openly admit that they believe in Their Own Personal Interpretation of Scripture even when doing so denies the deity of Christ by calling Christ a liar.

I'm glad we've finally gotten a complete, clear, and open, admission that when someone claims to believe in "Scripture Alone" it doesn't mean they believe in the Bible as the Word of God. It really means they believe in their own Most High and Holy Self and whatever portions of the Scripture they can twist to suit their own preconceptions and preferences. Not only can they rationalize any sort of behavior, they believe they are their own God and Savior in spite of their pretense of being Christian. Otherwise, they'd accept the same Scriptures Christ and the Apostles accepted, quoted, and preached from.

Christ not making note of there being any errors in the Septuagint proves a) "Scripture Alone" is a bogus concept because Christ didn't make an issue of what was contained in the Scriptures, b) the Scriptures as embodied by the Septuagint are the true Scriptures because if they were not Christ and the Apostles would surely have taken issue with them, and c) those who like the Pharisees remove part of the Scriptures Christ and the Apostles accepted do so for the same reason the Pharisees removed those portions of the Scripture, to obscure The Word as embodied in Jesus Christ our King.

have a nice day

54 posted on 03/01/2012 8:29:31 PM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Quix—the-final-pope-1

From your link, an entire four hour program. WOW. Listened to the entire program, still digesting the information presented.

Much is happening in this world below the radar....

Powers and principalities are at work against human kind.

What I love about Steve Quayle, is that he always presents the gospel, no matter the venue.

Thanks for the link, Quix. You know that we share a common viewpoint on these matters.

55 posted on 03/02/2012 12:44:57 AM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl

Thanks for your kind reply.

Here’s a thread about the Vatican slant and direction toward the one world religion and the ‘spritiuality’ proffered by the fallen angels:

56 posted on 03/02/2012 1:52:57 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: happygrl; Alamo-Girl
Here's the frightful points from the OP on that thread, hosted by Steve Quayle. I agree--he's very good to emphasize Salvation through Christ every chance he not only gets but can create (Quixicated emphases):

If people want to email me,

I’m glad to send them the actual publications from some of the highest placed astronomers inside the Vatican—Uhh—in which they’re talking about us soon being greeted by extraterrestrial civilizations and how we will need to respect those intelligences who are going to have, according to these documents from the Vatican, they’re going to have, let’s say a "HIGHER" level of understanding of God--and the reason is because they’re not fallen according to this theology—we’re fallen—they’re not—they’re closer to God than we are—

And therefore, they’re going to have a non-terrestrial intelligence that offers "BETTER" understanding of the relationship between God and the whole of Creation. Uhh And that ann ann and let me just quote—let me just quote this document from the Vatican.

“This would not immediately oblige the Christian to renounce his own faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of new unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations. But such a renunciation could come soon after as the new religious content originating from outside the earth is confirmed as reasonable and credible--once the "trustworthiness" of the information has been verified.”


Tom H:
Let me stop for a moment in this quote and ask if anybody can explain to me HOW IT CAN BE VERIFIED? HOW it could be verified? How would you verify an extraterrestrial message? This really kinda sets me aside. Anyway--


Tom H:
“The believer would have to reconcile such new information with the truth he or she already knows and believes on the basis of the Revelation of the One and Triune God conducting a re-reading of the Gospels inclusive of the new data.”


Tom H:
So how this information’s going to be confirmed as reliable is beyond me. How this more complete ET Gospel is going to de-emphasize or significantly modify our understanding of Salvation through Jesus Christ This is something that is also beyond me. But you have Vatican Observatory Directors—From ummm Christopher Corballi for instance, in his article:


Tom H:
WHAT IF THERE WERE OTHER INHABITED WORLDS concluding that “Jesus simply might not remain the only word of Salvation.” That’s his words. “I would try to explore the alien by letting it be what it is [i.e. the DELUSION it is proffered as--from hell] without rushing for a classification category—not even presuming 2 genders.” Corballi said. And then he drops this bombshell:

[QUIX: FOLKS, the TRANSGENDER/ DUAL GENDER/ CONFUSED GENDER/ NO GENDER press by the globalists in society is NOT "merely" rampant hedonism and confusion from hell. There's a method to the madness . . . and an agenda beyond the 'mere' sexual chaos.] .

Tom H:
“While Christ is the first and last word—the Alpha and Omega spoken to humanityHe is not necessarily the only word spoken to the universe. So the word spoken to us does not seem to exclude an equivalent word spoken to aliens. They too could have had their "logos event"—whatever that event might have been. It does not have to be a repeated death and Resurrection. If we "allow God more imagination" than some religious thinkers [i.e. By the way, let me insert here—Steve Quayle, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam et al Ahh] some religious thinkers seem to have. For God as omnipotent is not restricted to one form of language with the human.”

[Quix: How magnanimous of the Vatican to 'allow' God to be SO UNBIBLICALLY CHANGEABLE from HIS WORD and CHARACTER which change NOT! . . . "Heaven and earth will pass away but my Word will never pass away." What blasphemous lunacy! Alamo-Girl--what's your perspective on this issue?] .

Tom H: So--what we have are very high ranking spokespersons for the Vatican who uhh in recent years including in 2011—and we’ll see what they say in 2012—are offering language acknowledging first of all the likelihood of the extraterrestrial intelligence. And secondly, a dramatic role that ETs’ introduction to civilization is going to play in regard to altering established creeds about anthropology, philosophy religion, uhh uhh redemption, but uh specifically a re-reading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And uh by the way, this could be consequential to the very near future.

[Quix: May God have mercy and protect from such a huge delusion from hell all those who seek THE LORD JESUS, FATHER, SPIRIT AND GOD'S WAYS with their whole hearts.]


That ufo light thing has appeared over the vatican , the white house and the dome of the rock in jerusalem

BTW Tom Horn is on Chuck Misslers 66/10 radio show today talking about transhumanism

57 posted on 03/02/2012 2:37:33 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Thank you for this info & for your comments.

58 posted on 03/02/2012 11:08:51 AM PST by Joya (
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To: Quix; Admin Moderator
Quix -- you've been told before not to post Alien UFO theories like your statement And secondly, a dramatic role that ETs’ introduction to civilization is going to play in regard
59 posted on 03/04/2012 1:52:23 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thank you for the link.

60 posted on 03/04/2012 2:06:19 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: fishtank

I don’t know about the catechism you are using, but there are multiple entries here (10 pages worth!):

61 posted on 11/03/2012 11:55:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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