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From the article: “God has always been discriminatory” when it comes to whom he grants the authority of the priesthood, says Bott... Bott compares blacks with a young child prematurely asking for the keys to her father’s car, and explains that similarly until 1978, the Lord determined that blacks were not yet ready for the priesthood. “What is discrimination?” Bott asks. “I think that is keeping something from somebody that would be a benefit for them, right? But what if it wouldn’t have been a benefit to them?” Bott says that the denial of the priesthood to blacks on Earth—although not in the afterlife—protected them from the lowest rungs of hell reserved for people who abuse their priesthood powers.

The Mormon church has tried to now place Prof. Bott as if he was some "fringe" tucked-away prof...but as this Mormon writer, Joanna Brooks, says: Professor Bott is no outlier. Especially among older Mormons, racist rationale for the priesthood ban—linking it to Old Testament pretexts, or to moral infirmity in a pre-earthly life by the souls of Africans and African-Americans, and other racist apologetic mental gymnastics exemplified in Bott’s statement to the Post—persist and circulate, generally unquestioned and unchallenged.

Brooks also pointed out that BYU mormon students made Bott THE most popular prof in America in 2008...showing that he represents mainstream Mormon thought.

1 posted on 02/29/2012 2:23:26 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All; Elsie; greyfoxx39
From the article: And without open renunciation of racist theologies by LDS Church leaders, Professor Randy Bott (who on his personal blog apologetically prevaricates on facts of Mormon history) and others have continued to espouse and communicate them to a new generation of Mormons.

Note #1: This blog of BYU prof Bott has now been in the Mormon hierarchy yanking him around like a puppet on a string (what they will do to Romney if elected). One of the top 16 ranked hierarchists -- Marlin Jensen spoke rather openly about recent losses in the Mormon church...and was abruptly dumped.

Yup. Speak your mind...and duck.

Tis a cult indeed!

#2 Prevaricates is just a fancy word for "lying" -- something Mormons have long had a reputation for doing going back to protecting polygamists...going back to Joseph Smith lying to his original wife about all the additional ones!

Here we have a Mormon (Brooks) being forthright about a BYU popular prof lying on his blog...

Who has the original copy of the blog content?

2 posted on 02/29/2012 2:31:48 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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From the article: As progressive BYU students prepare to protest Bott’s remarks, others await formal statements by Brigham Young University or the LDS Church, hoping—perhaps, this time, in the scrutiny of this election year—that someone will finally articulate the most credible and reasonable explanation for Mormonism’s historic discrimination against black people: we were wrong.

Well, this goes further vs. what most Mormons would about this articulation: Brigham Young, John Taylor, Joseph Fielding Smith, Bruce McConkie...they were ALL false prophets & apostles.

For another thread to see BYU Professor makes controversial statements about Blacks & LDS Church ...view, for example, post #15

3 posted on 02/29/2012 2:37:11 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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What's the Lds church's reaction to this?

Well, the Mormon church owned Deseret News decided they better put out a release on this today.

LDS Church spokesman Michael Purdy said "There was a time in the church there was a restriction on the priesthood for male members of African descent...It is not known precisely why, how or when this restriction began in the church but what is clear is that it ended decades ago."

#1...Even now, the Mormon church can't bring itself to call racism...racism. We dunno why our Mormon god was only skin deep on this one.

#2...Notice how the Mormon spokesman, Purdy, tries to half the number of people excluded by Mormons as only the males.

Gee. I didn't know that black women had temple access and could get married in the temple prior to 1978!

4 posted on 02/29/2012 2:48:17 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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Here's what a BYU student has written about this:

(Update: In an e-mail on Wednesday, Bott apologized for the way the comments appeared in the article and claims his views were not “accurately reported” and that in the past he has attempted to be careful “not to perpetuate these myths.” Bott reiterated that he does not know why blacks were not given the priesthood until 1978. However, Bott wrote a blog post in 2008 where he repeated essentially the same ideas as in the WaPo article, so it is unclear exactly how he claims he was misrepresented.)
BYU Professor Randy Bott’s Allegedly-Racist Statements; Students Plan Protest

IOW, Mormon BYU professors openly lie.

Oh...and Mormons who said this prof was THE most popular one on campus (& in fact America) in 2008...I assume then that you BYU students were reading Bott's blog in '08. If his comments are roughly the same, why no provocation then?

Could it just be that you BYU students of the past have been racist, too...only THEN with no apologies?

The above linked article also includes this "bold" statement: Rumors were already swirling Tuesday that some students were planning to protest Bott’s statements, hoping to bring attention to the appropriateness of BYU professors teaching controversial or debated “doctrines” in university-required religion classes. Historically protests against the university have been met with deep disapproval by university leaders, and so it was unclear how a protest against an individual professor would be taken. (Update: In lieu of a formal protest some students are planning to distribute fliers on campus that address “racism in Mormon thought” but will not specifically mention Bott. A student forum over the same issue is currently also in the works. As the details change I will post updates as I get them on my Twitter account. I would also clarify that I am simply reporting this and am not organizing or endorsing any planned student protest.)

Gee. God forbid that any BYU students actually take a public stance vs. racism and actually stand up to the racist-harboring hierarchy of BYU. Why, that might be "frowned upon." (And you don't want Lds, Inc. -- the cult crack-downers in charge -- to frown...right?)

5 posted on 02/29/2012 2:58:50 PM PST by Colofornian (An anti-FREEPER: That's a poster who says, "Let's elect one socialist to beat another!")
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This will be a funny conversation when Obama brings this up to Romney........

6 posted on 02/29/2012 3:13:50 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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Bring’em Young - but apparently only if they are white and ‘delightsome’.

May as well argue that denying women and blacks the vote was for their own good - because they were not yet ready for it.

Apparently a BYU religion professor has had to read and memorize so much spurious ludicrous laughable racist reactionary bull excrement - that he cannot help but let some spill out.

7 posted on 02/29/2012 3:20:57 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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Laminites ... The new code word bigots use.

9 posted on 02/29/2012 4:19:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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He teaches large sections of required religion courses, including courses designed to prepare future missionaries, to as many as 3,000 students a year.

Missionaries; aye??

Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  <-- Complete and uneditted

Timeline...    Subject...
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

12 posted on 02/29/2012 6:03:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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“What is discrimination?” Bott asks.

Well; it COULD be something like THIS...

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.


“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.


(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)



13 posted on 02/29/2012 6:05:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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