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Archdiocese of Washington reprimands priest for denying communion to a lesbian
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archdiocese-of-washington-reprimands-priest-for-denying-communion-to-a-lesb ^ | 2/29/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 02/29/2012 6:08:22 PM PST by Morgana

GAITHERSBURG, MARYLAND, February 29, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – A parish priest in Maryland, who denied communion to a woman who identified herself as a lesbian, has been publicly rebuked by the Archdiocese of Washington.

Barbara Johnson attended her mother’s funeral last Saturday and introduced her lesbian partner to the priest before Mass.

Fr. Marcel Guarnizo of St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland, covered the Host as she approached and told her, “I can’t give you Communion because you live with a woman, and in the eyes of the Church, that is a sin.”

Afterwards, she wrote him a letter telling him, “I will do everything in my power to see that you are removed from parish life so that you will not be permitted to harm any more families.”

Auxiliary Bishop Barry Knestout wrote a formal letter of apology telling Johnson, “I am sorry that what should have been a celebration of your mother’s life, in light of her faith in Jesus Christ, was overshadowed by a lack of pastoral sensitivity.”

The Archdiocese of Washington issued a brief press release saying Fr. Guarnizo’s actions were inappropriate. “When questions arise about whether or not an individual should present themselves for communion, it is not the policy of the Archdiocese of Washington to publicly reprimand the person. Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting.”

After receiving the letter of apology, Johnson said “I will not be satisfied” until Fr. Guarnizo is removed from the parish.

Monsignor Charles Pope, who blogs for the Archdiocese of Washington’s website, told LifeSiteNews.com, “One would presume a priest would have had more ongoing conversations with somebody of a private nature before one would publicly deny somebody communion.”

“There may be a time when a pastor has concerns about a parishioner and then speaks to them privately and advises them privately not to receive communion,” he said. “But we don’t have these confrontations at the altar rail.”

Canon 915 of the Roman Catholic Church’s Code of Canon Law admonishes priests to deny Holy Communion to those who are “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.”

The New Commentary on Canon Law states: “Eucharistic Ministers are also to refuse holy communion when they are certain (1) that a person has committed a sin that is objectively grave, (2) that the sinner is obstinately persevering in this sinful state, and (3) that this sin is manifest,” or widely known to those present at the Mass.

The U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops established “engaging in sexual activity outside the bonds of a valid marriage” as such a sin in its 2006 publication “‘Happy Are Those Who Are Called to His Supper’: On Preparing to Receive Christ Worthily in the Eucharist.”

“Catholics who are conscious of committing any mortal sin must receive the Sacrament of Penance before receiving Holy Communion,” they wrote.

Public denial of communion must also be preceded by a private warning not to come forward to communion.

The commentary on the 1983 Code of Canon Law, prepared by the Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland, states, “before a minister can lawfully refuse the Eucharist, he must be certain that the person obstinately persists in a sinful situation or in sinful behavior that is manifest (i.e. public) and objectively grave.”

“Most canonists, including pastors and priests, interpret that not just as not just a quick conversation but something of a more substantial nature,” Monsignor Pope told LifeSiteNews.

Dr. Ed Peters, a canon lawyer at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit, wrote “a few minutes conversation…would not suffice, in the face of numerous canons protecting the right of the faithful to receive the sacraments, to verify either the notoriety of the (objectively) sinful situation, or to verify the obstinacy of the would-be recipient.” However, Dr. Peters noted after a sufficient period of warning and instruction, a priest would be well within his rights to invoke Canon 915 and deny communion to an obstinate, sexually active homosexual.

“I don’t know that that can be determined by a brief interaction in a sacristy,” Msgr. Pope told LifeSiteNews.

Fr. Guarnizo may have been forcibly denied the opportunity to expand on his conversation. A commenter on Deacon Greg Kandra’s blog, who claimed to have been “in a meeting with Fr Marcel and heard the whole story,” wrote: “The woman in question brought her lesbian partner into the vesting sacristy just before the funeral Mass and made sure to introduce her partner to Fr. Marcel, introducing her as her ‘lover’. He told her then that she should not present herself for Communion.” A commenter claimed Barbara’s partner “blocked his way out of the sacristy when he attempted to speak with her further.”

The Catholic Church believes a faithful Christian has such an interest in receiving Holy Communion that it must only be denied only in extreme cases. “When in doubt, give it out,” Msgr. Pope said.

The popular blogger Fr. John Zuhlsdorf wrote no one should be surprised that questions persist about when to publicly deny someone communion.

Fr. Zuhlsdorf writes that “Many priests have received inadequate training in these matters of law and have been given even worse example by bishops who ought to be applying can. 915 is genuine cases of applicability,” he wrote.

Archbishop Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, waded into a similar controversy in 2009 when he said he would not deny House Speaker Nancy Pelosi communion, claiming to do so would amount to “Communion wielded as a weapon.” When asked, he said, “there’s a question about whether this canon [915] was ever intended to be used.”

Fr. Zuhlsdorf described Fr. Guarnizo’s actions as “well-meaning” but “premature,” adding he could not find fault with his motivation.

“He should be thanked for taking his role seriously and for wanting to uphold the Church’s teaching,” he wrote.

Fr. Guarnizo did not return messages left by LifeSiteNews.


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1 posted on 02/29/2012 6:08:26 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Chode; NYer; Salvation; wagglebee; little jeremiah

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2 posted on 02/29/2012 6:10:06 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

The lesbo will show up next Sunday for mass. Will Fr. Guarnizo stand tall?


3 posted on 02/29/2012 6:12:34 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Morgana; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
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4 posted on 02/29/2012 6:16:38 PM PST by narses
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To: Morgana
The priest was completely justified in denying Communion to a public sinner. Had she kept her homosexual activities private, so as to avoid public scandal, the priest should have given her Communion.

But why does she want to receive Communion? If she disagrees with the Church on the sinfulness of homosexual activity, she should leave.

5 posted on 02/29/2012 6:22:12 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: dynachrome
The lesbo will show up next Sunday for mass. Will Fr. Guarnizo stand tall?

Hey, maybe Fr. Guarnizo should be forced to let this carpet muncher give the sermon. No need to maintain common sense, decency, and morality when a lesbian starts to claw her way over standard doctrine.

Let her tell HIM what he has to do. Nutz to the Bishop who caved in to this insane woman.

6 posted on 02/29/2012 6:24:19 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Morgana
Nothing worse than a pissed off lezbo bull dyke. If she's a Catholic she should know that being queer is a sin and she shouldn't receive Communion. Bump to the priest who stood up to her. Refreshing!!

The Catholic church should be doing the same thing to Pelosi and Kerry because they promote/believe in abortion.

I'm not a Catholic but I wish the church would grow some cojones. I was heartened by their attitude towards the nobamacare contraception debacle. Let's go, keep that attitude growing and stronger.

7 posted on 02/29/2012 6:28:35 PM PST by upchuck ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclas. 10:2)
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To: Morgana

LGBT seeking confrontation not communion.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 6:29:49 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: upchuck

Another evil PC bishop!


9 posted on 02/29/2012 6:33:12 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: upchuck

Another evil PC bishop!


10 posted on 02/29/2012 6:33:28 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Morgana
Sounds like Wuerl needs to be reprimanded and, perhaps, summoned to Rome for further discussions.
11 posted on 02/29/2012 6:34:32 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Morgana
Archbishop Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, waded into a similar controversy in 2009 when he said he would not deny House Speaker Nancy Pelosi communion, claiming to do so would amount to “Communion wielded as a weapon.” When asked, he said, “there’s a question about whether this canon [915] was ever intended to be used.”

Sure, that was written into canon law because the Catholic Church has investments in the ink industry!

12 posted on 02/29/2012 6:36:53 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Had she kept her homosexual activities private, so as to avoid public scandal, the priest should have given her Communion.

Whether or not the public is a aware, shouldn't the priest deny communion if he knows a parishoner is in a state of sin?

I hope the man stands firm so he might receive treasure in heaven.

13 posted on 02/29/2012 6:37:10 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Morgana

Everything this gal is doing confirms that she is unrepentant. He made the right choice in telling her she shouldn’t come forward for communion and passing her over when she came anyway. Every single act she’s done in this instance reflects a contempt for the Word of the Lord.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 6:39:59 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: JoeFromSidney

Canon 915 rocks! So does this couragous priest!

The Archdiocese creates scandal when it takes up with the enemies of the Church against a devoted, informed and faithful priest, while they themselves obviously can’t define grave sin, made obvious and public.

Woot! for the good priest.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 6:44:48 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: mckenzie7

Their refusal to rebuke Pelosi and other very public figures who show blatant contempt for both the Scripture and the authority of the Church has emboldened LOTS of people to LOTS of sin - including Pelosi etc.

Their eternal souls are being sacrificed for the archbishop to feel comfortable in the here and now. It’s not right. It helps nobody but the devil.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 6:45:32 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: laweeks

We need avalanche this guy who covers for the lesbian engaging in grave sin, and disses the priest who is a serious Catholic priest.

How do we get a hold of this guy?? I wonder.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 6:47:06 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: narses

“Barbara Johnson attended her mother’s funeral last Saturday and introduced her lesbian partner to the priest before Mass.”

Gee, how far does it have to go before someone admits something to the priest that he should consider bad enough to refuse the Host over?

“Barbara Johnson attended her mother’s funeral last Saturday and introduced her partner in cannibalism to the priest before Mass.”

“Barbara Johnson attended her mother’s funeral last Saturday and introduced her partner in satanism to the priest before Mass.”

“Barbara Johnson attended her mother’s funeral last Saturday and introduced her partner in child slavery to the priest before Mass.”

Nothing is so bad that the priest can refuse? Or is having a lesbian lover just not bad enough until careful study is given to the situation?

One thing I would love to know, and I hope it comes out like this did, is what the priest said to her when she told him. Thanks DC diocese, just affirming that sex outside of marriage really isn’t too big a deal when you get right down to it.

Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR


18 posted on 02/29/2012 6:48:51 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Morgana

The actions of this perv dishonor the celebration of the life of her own mother.

Hell hath no fury like a bull dyke scorned.

Oh wait, I don’t know if she is the top or the bottom in that “relationship”.

Stupid Catholic apparatchiks. What Church do they REALLY belong to? The Church of Satan?

I guess that they think Canon 915 doesn’t REALLY mean what it states. The AB probably supports owebama too.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 6:57:14 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Morgana
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?
20 posted on 02/29/2012 6:57:23 PM PST by turn_to
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To: upchuck; Morgana
I am Catholic and I am with you 100%! I am so ticked off at the diocease to rebuke this priest who is trying to protect the sanctity of the sacrament. (The archdiocease is leading the people down the wrong path...)

Certainly Christ spoke of those who lead the faithful astray.

I spent some time tonight talking to my religous ed. students about this very subject. Most of these young 8th graders were of the opinion that the church needs to change its doctrine of 2000 years. I said that it's precisely because the doctrine is 2000 years strong that it remains.

21 posted on 02/29/2012 6:59:54 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: upchuck; Morgana
I am Catholic and I am with you 100%! I am so ticked off at the diocease to rebuke this priest who is trying to protect the sanctity of the sacrament. (The archdiocease is leading the people down the wrong path...)

Certainly Christ spoke of those who lead the faithful astray.

I spent some time tonight talking to my religous ed. students about this very subject. Most of these young 8th graders were of the opinion that the church needs to change its doctrine of 2000 years. I said that it's precisely because the doctrine is 2000 years strong that it remains.

22 posted on 02/29/2012 7:01:49 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Morgana

If you want to be a “Cafeteria Catholic,” there are plenty of “buffets” out there you can find to fit *your* beliefs.

(Probably even ones where you can burn the Bible & they’ll welcome you with open arms...)


23 posted on 02/29/2012 7:03:56 PM PST by mikrofon (Church BUMP)
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To: Morgana

““When in doubt, give it out,” Msgr. Pope said.”

IT? Has it really come down to this? IT? The Holy Eucharist is an “IT” that should just be given out like a Halloween trick or treat candy?

This extraordinarily offensive from a “Monsigneur.” What happened to the “IT” being the body and blood of Christ?


24 posted on 02/29/2012 7:06:56 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: turn_to
In order to receive communion you need to be in a state of grace. (In other words knowingly not violating the doctrine of the church.) Knowing that she is practicing a lifestyle that is not consistent with the doctrine of the church she should have sought a priest for confession before receiving communion.

Her doing so without receiving absolution is a grave sin against God and the sacrament of the Eucharist. (Communion)

25 posted on 02/29/2012 7:08:27 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Morgana
It's tough to deny someone communion at her own mother's funeral Mass. It's also tough to deny someone communion publicly, at the altar rail. Combine the two, and it certainly would be difficult.

But a passage in the body of this article clarifies the matter and puts a whole different light on it:

Fr. Guarnizo may have been forcibly denied the opportunity to expand on his conversation. A commenter on Deacon Greg Kandra’s blog, who claimed to have been “in a meeting with Fr Marcel and heard the whole story,” wrote: “The woman in question brought her lesbian partner into the vesting sacristy just before the funeral Mass and made sure to introduce her partner to Fr. Marcel, introducing her as her ‘lover’. He told her then that she should not present herself for Communion.” A commenter claimed Barbara’s partner “blocked his way out of the sacristy when he attempted to speak with her further.”

If this is true, then he was completely and entirely justified in denying this woman communion. He told her privately not to, before the Mass began. And the bishop should be ashamed of himself. Maybe he hadn't heard these further details, but in that case he should not have spoken out like that without first investigating what happened.

26 posted on 02/29/2012 7:15:25 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: turn_to
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?

I would suggest that you speak to your priest. In the Roman Catholic Church there are, in fact, different degrees of sin. I'm no theologian, but certainly stealing to, say, feed your starving children is less of a sin than cheating on your spouse. Thus, the wording of of the applicable Canons use the modifier "grave" in front of the word "sin" because some sins are in fact worse than others.

It's also telling that the woman went to the the unusual effort to confront the priest in the sacristy - where no one but the people actively involved in conducting the Mass should be - while he was in the middle of preparations for the Mass. That shows that she was quite obstinate in her sin.

Finally, if she went to that effort to tell the priest it seems pretty likely that it was "widely known to those present at the Mass."

I initially thought the priest had gone too far. But when I read that this woman entered the sacristy to introduce her lover it became clear that she was not victimized; in fact she deliberately set up a confrontation, using her mother's funeral to make a political point. Despicable.

27 posted on 02/29/2012 7:28:20 PM PST by RonF
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‘Celebrations/Parties R US’


28 posted on 02/29/2012 7:29:38 PM PST by RBStealth
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To: Bigg Red

mark


29 posted on 02/29/2012 7:31:21 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Morgana
Anyone care to ask me what I think of the Archdiocese of Washington?
Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to demand the Sacrament of communion should be addressed by that individual with the priest in a private, pastoral setting.

How did the priest know she was a deviant? A militant perv forfeits "the right thing to do" by default.

I will allow that the priest could have simply done his duty without saying a word

30 posted on 02/29/2012 7:54:18 PM PST by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: upchuck

“The Catholic church should be doing the same thing to Pelosi and Kerry because they promote/believe in abortion.”

Senator Mary Landrieu should be added to this list. She is Roman Catholic and always votes with the abortion crowd. She attempts to maintain that she personally is pro-life, but still believes that a woman should have the right to choose. How much more hypocritical can one get?

I am not Catholic, and it appears to me that when these highly visible politicians are allowed to receive communion, the church is being hypocritical and sending the wrong message to all Catholics.


31 posted on 02/29/2012 7:58:05 PM PST by Saltmeat
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To: Morgana

Since when do blatant sinners, who are proud of their sin, have a “right” to Holy Communion?

Shame on the bishop for caving to the world’s perversion. It shows a lack of caring for the soul of those asking to commune. Those who commune unworthily, do so to their soul’s destruction. “Let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.” ( I Corinthians 11:28-29)


32 posted on 02/29/2012 8:07:50 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: turn_to
Is Communion denied to all sinners, or just gay ones? Because I didn't know that sin had a sliding scale, that some sins were worse than others. Is stealing more sinful than cheating on a spouse? Is being gay the sinniest?

Don't be silly.
All mortal sins are equal, it's just that other serious sinners don't announce themselves before demanding communion. If the priest is not aware he has committed no fault or violation of his priesthood.
The auxilliary Bishop, on the other hand...

33 posted on 02/29/2012 8:10:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Northern Yankee
I am Catholic and I am with you 100%! I am so ticked off at the diocease to rebuke this priest who is trying to protect the sanctity of the sacrament. (The archdiocease is leading the people down the wrong path...)

My entire sympathy is reserved for the parish priest.
The arrogance of the pervert to demand the removal of the priest from his parish is adding insult to injury.

This continuation of the church hierarchy to ignore the canons of the faith for the sake of political correctness during the church abuse scandal indicated to me that the church left me, not the other way around.

34 posted on 02/29/2012 8:20:39 PM PST by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: dynachrome
Will Fr. Guarnizo stand tall?

BY all rights he ought to boil those dykes in oil, or at least burn them alive at the stake.

Ahh, the good old days

This beast is a demon spawn who is trying to destroy a Priest for having the stones to do his job.

She needs to gown the road to the Anglicans.

36 posted on 02/29/2012 8:39:04 PM PST by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: Rome2000

She is not Catholic obviously. If she wishes a “church” the rainbow whatever, is for her.


37 posted on 02/29/2012 8:44:27 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Rome2000

Parachute her in over Kabul with a little black dress, 5” heels and a short biography written in the native language. Be creative!;)


38 posted on 02/29/2012 9:01:01 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Rome2000
Can't tell if you forgot the /sarc tag or not.
I am, however, heartened to see that most responders to the thread have not bought into the "pervert as helpless victim" militant deviant propaganda.
39 posted on 02/29/2012 9:19:27 PM PST by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Morgana

I have been too busy to ping the last couple of days but tomorrow I’ll get this one out for sure!!!!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


40 posted on 02/29/2012 9:45:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: mckenzie7
Archbishop Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, waded into a similar controversy in 2009 when he said he would not deny House Speaker Nancy Pelosi communion, claiming to do so would amount to “Communion wielded as a weapon.” When asked, he said, “there’s a question about whether this canon [915] was ever intended to be used.”

well, maybe they need to start talking it over in private with them, because a lot of us are sick and tired of open sinners pretending they are good Catholics.

Some bishops do have guts: Sibelius was blocked from receiving the Eucharist in Kansas after she vetoed a bill against partial birth abortion.

And it's not just in the USA: Good pro abortion catholics receive communion in the USA but here in the Philippines, they are being threatened with not receiving communion if they vote for mandatory birth control in public clinics...

But it's a problem when we see these rich politicians receiving communion when you know they accept Bribes,or buy votes or "off" their political rivals...

after one very violent election in our area, the bishop decided to hold a big prayer meeting during the next election and made all of the candidates sign a pledge against violence...the implicit threat was that they'd be barred from communion and their places of honor during the fiestas if they broke the pledge.

41 posted on 02/29/2012 11:02:18 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Morgana

Bishop Wuerl makes me hurl. He knows darn right well that Pelosi should not only be denied communion but should be publicly excommunicated. This priest was not only courageous, but absolutely in the right to deny this woman communion. Just from the conversation, one can tell this was a setup. LGBT do this all the time. Had she come to me, I would have told her..DO NOT APPRAOCH THE ALTAR FOR COMMUNION. Her obstinance and NOT ignorance are at the heart of her grave sin.

I’ve had to deny communion in several situations. Always under charitable circumstances. I’ve never had this sort of confronation though.

Deacon Francis


42 posted on 03/01/2012 5:26:45 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Morgana

This tells us what chances there are that the DC deathists from Pelosi down be ever ex-communicated by the Washington diocese.


43 posted on 03/01/2012 5:36:14 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Had she kept her homosexual activities private, so as to avoid public scandal, the priest should have given her Communion.

But why does she want to receive Communion?

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Precisely. This unclean savage used the occasion of her mother’s funeral to plan her confrontation. This is a direct assault on the Church and on God’s laws.

Pope is usually right, but he should have kept his mouth shut about this one until he had heard all of the facts.

And it sounds like we have yet another softie heading the DC archdiocese.


44 posted on 03/01/2012 7:25:53 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Morgana

Reprimanded?! For preventing a person in a state of unrepentant sin from committing sacrilege??!!!

That bishop needs to be reprimanded.


45 posted on 03/01/2012 7:26:25 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: RonF
In the Roman Catholic Church there are, in fact, different degrees of sin.

Not just in the RCC. Scripture talks about different levels of sin ... deadly and not deadly. All Christians should be in line with this teaching.

46 posted on 03/01/2012 7:33:06 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: turn_to

Not that you really want an honest answer, but here goes anyway.

In the Catholic church, and, I suspect in many other faith traditions, there is a concept of some sins being more grievous than others. The Church classifies these as “mortal” and “venial”, with mortal sin being the more serious.

A person who has committed a mortal sin is not to receive Communion unless he has first received absolution during Penance. One who has committed a venial sin is not so restrained.

The Church does not consider it a sin for one to be attracted to members of his same sex, but it is considered sinful to follow up on that temptation.

IMO, the woman in this incident went way beyond even acting upon her desires; she actually got in the priest’s face and announced her state of sin just to provoke a confrontation. She was reveling in her sinfulness and mocking God.


47 posted on 03/01/2012 7:38:05 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Morgana
This is just so outrageous on so many levels.

As a non-Catholic who has attended numerous Masses I would never think of doing something that my kind hosts would not have me participate in. But to a queer these days, I guess nothing is sacred except perversion itself. No courtesy, nothing.

And to apologize for not accommodating someone so rude might be worse.

Decency, thou art fled to brutish beasts;
and I must pause 'til it come back to us.

ML/NJ

48 posted on 03/01/2012 7:41:09 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Northern Yankee

Most of these young 8th graders were of the opinion that the church needs to change its doctrine of 2000 years.

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I’m sorry, but reading that brought tears to my eyes. Is it not sad to see how successful the left has been in normalizing perversion and sinful behavior?

I am astounded at how many otherwise right leaning people see nothing wrong in shacking up for heterosexuals or for homosexuals.


49 posted on 03/01/2012 7:42:14 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red; Dr. Sivana; wagglebee; little jeremiah; NObama; Absolutely Nobama; Windflier; annalex; ...
Well, we just have to understand that these shackups are perfectly willing to marry but it just costs so darn much and, for reasons entirely unknown to progressivism, Obozo has not seen fit to include the cost of weddings, receptions, honeymoons, home purchases, car purchases, automobile repairs, food, heat, electric, gasoline, landscaping, home maintenance, household servants, and hot water heating and similar items in his noble Obozocare legislation although each of those items are vitally necessary to health and really ought (pursuant to progressive "ethics") to be paid for through employer provided health care insurance via HHS mandates.

And, as to your other point, isn't rump-ranging the essential "marital act?" How else would Adam and Steve "consummate" their marriage?

Charles Marx

Class of 2012

PS 666

50 posted on 03/01/2012 12:27:16 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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