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UPDATE on Fr. Marcel Guarnizo [Denied Lesbian Communion]
An Arcdiocese of Washington Catholic ^ | 3/2/12

Posted on 03/02/2012 6:22:38 AM PST by marshmallow

Deacon Greg posted the following update to his story. It seems that someone from St. John Newmann wrote to him the following:

just wanted to let you know that there is a lot more to this story than has been published। I was in a meeting with Fr Marcel and heard the whole story। The woman in question brought her lesbian partner into the vesting sacristy just before the funeral Mass and made sure to introduce her partner to Fr Marcel, introducing her as her ‘lover’. He told her then that she should not present herself for Communion. I have been to many Masses said by Father Marcel and he is a good and holy priest. He speaks very softly when giving out Holy Communion, almost whispering “Corpus Christi” — and did not publicly denounce her but rather said in a whisper that he could not give her Holy Communion. He did feel sick at the end of Mass and made sure to have a replacement priest accompany the body and family to the cemetery.

Father Marcel has a very active role in the very public and weekly vigils at Carhart’s late term abortion clinic in Germantown. He has been a staunch and vociferous defender of life. It is my belief that this is a calculated attempt to discredit him. (Remember – same sex marriage will be signed into law this week in Maryland.) ‘Catholics for Equality’ and other gay groups are feeling pretty strong right now. Fr Marcel is their enemy because he speaks the truth and does not back down…

I am telling you all this because Fr Marcel cannot speak for himself right now. And because he at the very least deserves the benefit of the doubt from you and Ed Peters and others who do not know.........

(Excerpt) Read more at awashingtondccatholic.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; homosexualagenda; lesbian; sacraments

1 posted on 03/02/2012 6:22:41 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Father Marcel did the right thing.


2 posted on 03/02/2012 6:30:52 AM PST by ransacked
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To: marshmallow

Prayers sent to Father Guarnizo. From what I have read about this story, he has done nothing wrong. The Catholic Church needs MORE priests like him.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 6:34:37 AM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: ransacked

He did; but what I see is that they are coming for us. They will not desist.


4 posted on 03/02/2012 6:39:48 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: marshmallow

I am not a Catholic-and therefore will be ignored by some Catholics. My understanding of the Sacrament of Communion within the Catholic church suggests the Priest acted rightly.
I cannot believe he violated Jesus doctrine of love—Nor that he violated Scripture. I find nowhere the suggestion in Scripture that any Priest need administer the elements to anyone asking for such.I am bone weary of homosexual activists using the current myth and general fear of the homosexual militancy to force changes or the nullification of church discipline and social morality. The decision was for this Priest to make—and until /unless anyone can prove he knew all there is now known about the family before he left —I find the charges against him to be without merit.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 6:44:46 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: marshmallow

Why didn his Bishop stab him in the back and publicly take the side of the Lezbo? As a Priest I would expect more loyalty from a Bishop that’s supposed to have my back.


6 posted on 03/02/2012 6:44:46 AM PST by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

So, this bull dyke made an anti-confession she was living in sin, without repentance or remorse, immediately before Mass?

So she used her mother’s funeral Mass to make an attempted political action in the church.

that explains the priest’s actions.


7 posted on 03/02/2012 6:46:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: marshmallow

I called Archbishop Wuerl’s office yesterday and left a message of support for Fr Marcel and his ministry.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 6:50:09 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: silverleaf

You nailed it. No shame from these people.


9 posted on 03/02/2012 6:52:14 AM PST by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation

Ping!


10 posted on 03/02/2012 6:54:11 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: silverleaf
Expect more of this kind of thing.

The Spirit from the snake pit is alive and roaming the globe. Very active these days.

11 posted on 03/02/2012 6:54:31 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I liked the FREE REPUBLIC of years on end which NEVER had a problem with Rick Santorum, Conservative)
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To: marshmallow
Why don't we ever here stories about a couple dykes going into the local Mosque and demanded that the Imam provide them with some Islamic ritual?

Answer: Because they know that they would be lucky to get out with their heads still attached to their bodied. As much as I dislike the Muslims, I'll give them credit, they won't be bullied by anyone. Sometimes I think we could learn something from them

12 posted on 03/02/2012 6:55:26 AM PST by apillar
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To: silverleaf

Your post is right on. She flaunted her sin right in the face of the Priest.

He was facing Satan.

His response was right on. He showed courage in the face of the Devil.

This woman set him up at her mother’s funeral, it is a terrible thing that this Priest has more courage than his Bishop.
I can give the Bishop a small excuse that maybe he spoke before he had all the facts, but if so he should immediately rescind his statement.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 6:58:11 AM PST by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

“... same sex marriage will be signed into law this week in Maryland”

The bill has been the top priority of MD’s governor, a purported Catholic himself. The gov would never be declined Communion. And therein lies a problem with the Church.

At some point the Church has to draw the line. These politicians who use their Catholicism to get votes, but who then promote, vote for, sign laws that violate Church laws, have to be told, in no uncertain terms, “you are free to act politically according to your conscience, but if your so acting violates Church doctrine, you are excommunicated.”


14 posted on 03/02/2012 7:07:09 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA; marshmallow

You are righ ED.

Marsh, did his bishop support him?


15 posted on 03/02/2012 7:09:14 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I can answer that, red .... no, and hell no!

This suburban MD church is in the Washington DC archdiocese. They apologized to the lesbian who was denied Communion. Fr. Guarnizo got a tsk tsk.

In defending the archdiocese’s position, one Msgr (named Pope), said “when in doubt, give it out.” Made my blood boil. You’d think Fr. Guarnizo was handing out Halloween candy, not what the Catholic Church teaches is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Not symbolically, but THE Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

The church, or at least some of its leaders, should go back to Catechism 101.


16 posted on 03/02/2012 7:19:33 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Venturer
I once saw a good and holy Orthodox priest refrain from giving a man Holy Communion, and he did it exactly the way Fr. Marcel is reported to have done. He did not denounce him, or even say anything audible to the rest of the congregation. He put his hands on him in blessing, and asked him to speak to him confidentially after the Liturgy.

It was the priest's intention to ask him in private if he were absolved from sin and in the state of grace; and the priest was ready at that time to give the man Communion if he were spiritually prepared to receive Our Lord.

I only know this from having witnessed it (without hearing anything audible), and then hearing the man's, and then the priest's, recounting of the incident.

It looks like this mourning daughter, for whatever reason, used her own mother's funeral as an opportunity to force the priest into an on-the-spot crisis. He was obliged, in all kindness, to protect her from profaning the Sacrament, which would have been harmful to her.

1 Corinthians 11:27 . . .
"So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.

Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.

For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves."

He would have been called "hateful" even if he had said "The Lord be with you, my daughter." And if he had given her a hug --- oh wait, that would have been sex abuse.

17 posted on 03/02/2012 7:19:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: StonyBurk

You are absolutely right.

The person giving communion is obligated act as he did to not defile the host.

You are a better understanding of Catholic doctrine than anyone who would disagree.

We need more people like you in the church.


18 posted on 03/02/2012 7:23:36 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: marshmallow

For this person to do an “in your face” introduction before Mass was just daring the priest to withhold communion...he did and all the more courage he showed in defense of communion. It aint bean bags when you get communion, its a sacrament and public sinners should be banned until they repent. Even scripture says to shun the public sinner until they repent...


19 posted on 03/02/2012 7:32:12 AM PST by goat granny
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To: StonyBurk

I’m not Catholic either, so my two cents probably won’t count for much, but I don’t see where Jesus’s love even comes into it. As I understand the Catholic communion, it’s about not imparting God’s holiness to someone who is in open and unrepentant sin-—in this case, what He calls an abomination. There shouldn’t even be any discussion of it with these people who were openly mocking God.


20 posted on 03/02/2012 8:15:02 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am on the side of the Priest.

I think he did the wrong thing, and I think that the Archdiocese is more worried about political fallout then what is right,

That is my own op[inion and I certainly have no right to judge the workings of a Cardinal of the Church, but certainly history bears out the fact that the Church has been wrong before.


21 posted on 03/02/2012 8:16:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: marshmallow

I saw a reference where Lesbian, Barbara Johnson is a practicing Buddhist. Does anyone have a link? Thanks


22 posted on 03/02/2012 8:18:25 AM PST by STJPII
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To: circlecity

I doubt Fr. Marcel is surprised at Wuerl’s spinelessness. I know I’m not.


23 posted on 03/02/2012 8:19:46 AM PST by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: marshmallow

Thanx.


24 posted on 03/02/2012 8:20:56 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: marshmallow

Prayers foro him who stands up and defends the Catholic Faith!


25 posted on 03/02/2012 8:33:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: workerbee
"I doubt Fr. Marcel is surprised at Wuerl’s spinelessness. I know I’m not."

But aren't these supposed to be "family matters" that are discussed within the four walls of the Church with any admonishments happening there? Why in the world would you publically humiliate a Priest who was arguably (VERY arguably!)doing the right thing and take the side of an admitted reprobate? What kind of message does that send to the faithful?

26 posted on 03/02/2012 8:42:13 AM PST by circlecity
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To: redgolum
Marsh, did his bishop support him?

Sadly, no.

HERE is Wednesday's thread on the subject, which tells us that the diocese sent a formal letter of apology to the woman who was denied Communion.

27 posted on 03/02/2012 8:56:10 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: circlecity
Know that millions of Catholics across this country share your confusion. For me the "cultural divide" in the Church almost parallels what we see in the Republican party, even in the country as a whole. Two Sundays ago, a visiting priest to our parish received a standing ovation after his homily regarding the imminent legislation to legalize gay marriage in our state. It was one of the most powerful sermons I've ever heard, and certainly a sign that those in the pews are hungry for strong and forthright conviction from our leaders. After Mass, I asked the priest where do they hide the ones like him. If we'd been hearing that kind of thing in our parishes for the last 25 years, we wouldn't be in this mess.
28 posted on 03/02/2012 9:42:48 AM PST by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: ransacked
Father Marcel did the right thing.

Yes, he did. And the Urinestream media's spin on this whole incident is absolutely vomit inducing.

29 posted on 03/02/2012 11:16:03 AM PST by fwdude
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To: marshmallow

Good on Father Marcel, but the RCC has brought all of this on themselves with their impotent responses to unrepentant, militant evil in their midst, and their complicity with it in many instances. Does anyone actually think that any members of “Catholics for ‘Equality’” will ever be excommunicated, or at the least, denied communion? Not on your life. I wouldn’t be surprised if many priests themselves weren’t closet members.


30 posted on 03/02/2012 11:22:05 AM PST by fwdude
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To: Venturer
I think we're in agreement on this. I think you meant to say, "I am on the side of the Priest... I think he did the wrong right thing.."

Typo --- s'awright, I do it all the time ;o)

To put it more precisely, the priest AND Church law are right on this (Canon 915 says the priest is to refuse Holy Communion to anyone in "obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin")

The purpose of this is not to be "mean" to the person presenting (herself) for Communion, or to embarrass her in public, but to protect her from committing a sacrilege. This is really love for the woman, because the priest is doing what he can to gain her repentance, her well-being and redemption.

And the priest must always prevent the Sacrament from being profaned.

So the Archbishop is wrong, as I see it, and the Church (Canon 915) is right.

31 posted on 03/02/2012 1:43:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy it is, the more Catholic it is.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Priest was right,

I don’t know what the Cardinal was thinking.

I had to go back and check on my post, I made two of them in that thread, and I cannot believe I screwed that up. Thanks for correcting me.

I might add that this Diocese is the same one that Pelosi, Biden and the rest go to when they have Mass in Washington, the same one that has Annapolis where many Catholics just voted to pass the same sex marriage amendment. The Governor is Catholic and so is Bohannan the sorry ill informed a-hole who made the passing vote.


32 posted on 03/02/2012 2:00:03 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

We should fast and pray.


33 posted on 03/02/2012 2:36:26 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:" 1 Peter 4:17)
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To: Venturer
Dear Venturer,

Annapolis is in the Archdiocese of Baltimore, which is arguably even more poorly-run than the Archdiocese of Washington.

It seems that Donna Cardinal Wuerl is protecting his own.


sitetest

34 posted on 03/02/2012 2:58:36 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

That’s something I didn’t know. I assumed they were in the Archdiocese of Washington, as they are closer to Washington than I am.Thanks for the info.


35 posted on 03/02/2012 3:36:16 PM PST by Venturer
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