Skip to comments.The Coming Persecution (a priest's projection on what is to come if Obama re-elected)
Posted on 03/03/2012 12:03:05 PM PST by NYer
The “not a shot was fired” theory. Your thoughts?
Can’t disagree with it. Probably one of the most accurate posts I’ve ever read here.
Throughout history the State has been the source of the greatest evils ever brought against man.
I pray there is a special place in the bottom rungs of h*ll for those who worship at the alter of State Power.
With some difference it will probably be this way for all who follow Christ. As it was in the beginning, so it will be again - home churches.
It’s working so far.
“The ‘not a shot was fired’ theory. Your thoughts?”
What a shame that it should happen that way.
It all seems like a good and reasonable idea at the time, but it seemed reasonable in Germany in 1933, in Russia in 1917, and other places in the world that descended into hell.
Hopefully, Progressive scu&bags will not go that far in that their efforts will be scotched in one way or another.
Prior to the internet and instant broadcast of news and opinion this scenario would have been believable. Now, a few passionate souls is all it takes to sway public opinion either for or against a new act or policy. That won’t stop the vipers from trying but it’s a different world now.
Obama’s picked the wrong enemy here. He’ll go down in flames if he persists . . .
I think, within 15 years, it will be mandated that Churches preform gay “weddings” or lose their tax exempt status.
15 years ago, the concept of gay marriage was an alien one. The world of 15 years from now will be just as alien.
"The not a shot was fired theory. Your thoughts?"
If large numbers of Catholics wake up and return to Catholicism rather than remaining cafeteria Catholics it could turn around on a dime. If they don't, the theory of how it'll go down is at least as good as any other and more realistic than most. It's definitely more likely to go that way than to lead to the general revolt some folks are expecting.
Personally, I think God is going to have a lot to say in this situation I just don't know whether it will be to let things get much worse in return for the fact that this country has turned away from Christ or to halt this mess in a fashion that shows He is always in charge no matter what politicians and weakling citizens think.
Much relieved to hear that all is Hunkee-xxx’in-DoRemee!
So we all stfu and continue ta grab over and bend ankles!
I believe that you are correct.This is coming.I read that the Gay marriage bill in Washington state originally had a clause that those who refused to officiate at this now legal ceremony,would be prosecuted.All of this is to destroy the Catholic Church.It stands in the way of a progressive’s paradise.
They've been asleep for nearly 50 years ... any thoughts on how to wake them up? No doubt the bishops would be interested.
While I am reluctant to admit it, I think Fr. Dwight has drawn this projection from years of ministering to the faithful and not so faithful. Contracepting catholic women will not suddenly stop taking their pills. The economy is bad and, in their opinions, more children would mean curtailing current family activities in order to feed another child, or two, or ...
The best assessment of the current situation comes from Cardinal George. In case you missed that thread, here is the link.
Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
All true, except for ONE PROBLEM.
The state IS Broke. The collapse IS imminent. The “fascist super state” is unsustainable. But this IS their plan.
My assessment of how all this will work out for churches, clergy and religion in the US is pretty much the same if His Excellency is reelected as written by the priest.
One further thing, if he is reelected, I firmly believe within those four years a shooting revolution will happen in the US. Frankly, one of the Russian futurists speculated the US will end up in a civil revolt as early as 2012, so perhaps he was off by a year or four, who knows. There are so many irons in the fire now, church state controversy, Universal Health Plans, the economy, unemployment, hidden inflaton, run away debt, less than functional education, racial uprest, illegal aliens and a man child who sees himself as king and master manipulator compounded by the fact he may not even be eligible for the office are one too many fuses leading to the powder keg.
Sad thing is millions of Catholics voted for Obama; they had issue with his belief in “late term abortions” but now they are throwing a hissy fit over forced contraception....and now worried that the once great USA will be like the Soviet Union under Obama Regime.
They weep what they sowed....
They weep what they sowed....
You are absolutely correct. I was stunned on how many of the Catholics i know voted for him, but I seriously doubt that these same catholics have a problem with birth control.
For the most part, this article accurately describes the erstwhile ‘docile’ GOP Republican and/or average conservative American - honest, hardworking - law abiding.
I used to consider myself in that group. I do not any more.
I don’t consider misapplied enforcement, capricious regulation, biased adjudication, illegal confiscation, fascist dictates and socialist agendas as consistent with the Constitution of this country. These people are not Americans and they should be treated as an enemy.
I agree. The Marxists in Russia may have been able to convince people that freezing and starving in the dark was a small step toward the Workers' Paradise, but it's not going to work here. Our Marxists rely on being able to deliver ever-increasing piles of goodies to their constituency, but the well of Other People's Money is nearly exhausted.
I think Fr. Dwight is feeling the effects of his Lenten fasting - if your blood-sugar gets low, you're prone to negativity.
You need to consider that the pope is a servant to the universal church. This is an American problem and for that, we have local bishops to address the problem. Some of those bishops are also members of the College of Cardinals; hence, they bear a greater responsibility to speak on behalf of the Catholic Church in America.
However, to your credit, I can't help but think of the recent situation in Spain. Following terrorist bombings in Madrid and other cities, the citizens of Spain elected a Socialist government. Like Obama's administration, it proved to be oppressive, especially against the Catholic Church. Subsequently, the pope made two visits to Spain, the most recent one being last August, to attend World Youth Day. Those two visits proved to be sufficient to 'wake up' the sleeping catholics who then voted out the socialists in the most recent election. Let us pray that the American catholics can rise up this year and follow the example of their Spanish counterparts.
Better to lose one's tax exempt status than lose one's soul.
And the situation in Poland was a Polish problem. If things go south here, as it looks like they might, it will be a dark time for the entire Western World.
Ms. Fluke (rhymes with f**k, I'm told.) is just the tip of the iceberg.
Indeed, the process began more than 40 years ago. 1968 was the pivotal year: the year of unrest in Europe and America, the year of Humanae Vitae, when a pope donned the robe of prophet and was ignored. Anyway, back in December, 1965, as the Council was ending, Jacques Maritain had published his own prophecy. In his Peasant of Garonne, the erstwhile darling of the liberals spoke of genuflecting to the World. That is what so-many Catholics has been doing ever since the Council. Bending the knee to his infernal lowness.
Your post made me wonder about a visit from the pope here sometime near November?
Thanks for posting this article. It all seems very plausible. The American Catholic Church, which used to be just a term, will become a reality. The constitution is already out the window. If the SCOTUS upholds Obamacare it all falls into place.
"They've been asleep for nearly 50 years ... any thoughts on how to wake them up? No doubt the bishops would be interested. "
Sorry for the tardy response. No, I don't have any magic formula, I just know from personal experience that when you or your leader say, "follow me", rather than "go do it", amazing things happen even when there's a good chance those who follow you will be killed for following you. People want to stand up and the Bishops have rolled over for far too long. Maybe it's just blind faith on my part that leads me to have a hunch about this being a turning point. Maybe not.
That should have been “they had no issue”...
You make a good point; different group of Catholics who are opposing the BC issue then the abortion issue.
My sis in law is an extremely devout Catholic, goes to Shrines, prays to the Saints, active in the Church, etc. Yet she voted for Obama. She said Presidents go to war, that is a form of murder, then there is capital punishment (she doesn’t believe in it)...I know, but this is how some Catholics justify voting for Obama, even though they are devout Catholics.
Lol! I agree.
I really dig what this guys has to say most of the time, kinda disagree with some of this, though. I agreee that it probably won’t go to shooting.
“Clergy training will be paid by the state.”
Can’t see it happening. I can see the state punishing a church legally, by fines and withholding things like “state marriage” from them. No way they pay for any training where they don’t dictate what is taught. They know Marx better than that. They could introduce fines for “hate speech” upon seminarian programs.
“The State will bring in a sensible recognition of the validity of orders between the Christian churches. For practical reasons the Episcopalian priest or the Lutheran minister will be able to exchange ministries with the Catholic priest just as the Episcopalians and Lutherans already do.”
Won’t happen, if for no other reason than the Catholic bishops would never give up or share any authority with another Christian group that doesn’t have apostolic succession. Also, when has the state ever ushered in any type of ecumenical process? Why would they bother when the only churches that would go along are for the lib agenda already?
The only way that could work is with nonCatholic denominations that don’t care about their own authority: some of the mainline Protestant ones. No way do other types of nonCatholic Christians go for it, and no way does even a super liberal crop of Catholic bishops go for it unless they are completely in charge. The Catholic Church does not vote on matters of discipline and doctrine, the mainline Protestant Churches do. The state would never swell the ranks of an organization that doesn’t determine what is wrong and right based on what the majority of members think about it, as far as I can see.
Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR
I was crying over something totally idiotic a couple of days ago, because I hadn’t had anything but coffee and spinach all day. Once I had a wheat bun, I felt much better! We can get flaked out this time of year without realizing it.
I see Barry as being envious of what Mexico did in the twenties when it Constitutionally subordinated all religion to the State.
He knows he can't really change the Constitution, but he also knows he can throw out one regulation that causes a big legal battle, wait until that inhibits Churches for a few years and is struck down, then toss out another regulation that has to be fought through the courts and inhibit Churches for another few years.
That's the the sort of thing environmentalists have done for decades to have their way for year after year in spite of "their way" being unconstitutional or illegal.
Your sister-inlaw is mentally ill. Her blind-spotting is an extreme form of denial and compartmentalization. Worse yet is using that as a justification for an evil act (voting for Obama). Yeah, I’m no paragon of mental health myself but it tends to make me more moral, not less.
The word is "reap" (meaning to harvest), not "weep".
Sad thing is millions of Catholics voted for Obama
And millions, like me, didn't. I would cut my hand off with a rusty knife before I would vote for the Boy Prince for dogcatcher, to say nothing of President.
Instead of pointing and scoffing at Catholics who are misled (and many of whom are just plain CINOs), why don't you get on board with supporting those of us who are standing up for what's right?
I believe this is part of the reason that home churches have been growing lately...along with home school.
I am afraid that will be what will really happen, shooting revolution.
A very sobering & well thought out plan & the sad part is that the Church hierarchy will go along with it as they have been of the opinion that the Democrat party policies of redistribution of wealth at the point of a gun equals Christian charity for over a century.
Now that the guns of the dictator is pointed at them they realize that they were mere pawns & that they in the church’s hierarchy haven’t got the public relations ability or the fighting spirit to grind the fascists that are the Democrat party into the dust.