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I really dig what this guys has to say most of the time, kinda disagree with some of this, though. I agreee that it probably won’t go to shooting.

“Clergy training will be paid by the state.”

Can’t see it happening. I can see the state punishing a church legally, by fines and withholding things like “state marriage” from them. No way they pay for any training where they don’t dictate what is taught. They know Marx better than that. They could introduce fines for “hate speech” upon seminarian programs.

“The State will bring in a sensible recognition of the validity of orders between the Christian churches. For practical reasons the Episcopalian priest or the Lutheran minister will be able to exchange ministries with the Catholic priest just as the Episcopalians and Lutherans already do.”

Won’t happen, if for no other reason than the Catholic bishops would never give up or share any authority with another Christian group that doesn’t have apostolic succession. Also, when has the state ever ushered in any type of ecumenical process? Why would they bother when the only churches that would go along are for the lib agenda already?

The only way that could work is with nonCatholic denominations that don’t care about their own authority: some of the mainline Protestant ones. No way do other types of nonCatholic Christians go for it, and no way does even a super liberal crop of Catholic bishops go for it unless they are completely in charge. The Catholic Church does not vote on matters of discipline and doctrine, the mainline Protestant Churches do. The state would never swell the ranks of an organization that doesn’t determine what is wrong and right based on what the majority of members think about it, as far as I can see.

Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR


34 posted on 03/04/2012 7:15:38 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed; NYer
I see Barry as being envious of what Mexico did in the twenties when it Constitutionally subordinated all religion to the State.

He knows he can't really change the Constitution, but he also knows he can throw out one regulation that causes a big legal battle, wait until that inhibits Churches for a few years and is struck down, then toss out another regulation that has to be fought through the courts and inhibit Churches for another few years.

That's the the sort of thing environmentalists have done for decades to have their way for year after year in spite of "their way" being unconstitutional or illegal.

36 posted on 03/04/2012 9:12:52 AM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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