Look at this 2004 California vote on the President, Senator, even pro-life issues, you will see Protestant voting and Catholic voting.
Posted on 03/04/2012 4:44:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
(RNS) Mitt Romney has trounced Rick Santorum, an ardent Catholic, among Catholic voters, but Romney's support among evangelicals has wavered thus far in the GOP presidential primary, according to a new analysis of exit poll data.
Though he won evangelicals in two states, in general Romney has performed 15 percentage points better among non-evangelicals, according to an analysis released Friday (March 2) by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.
Exit poll data is available in seven of the 11 states that have held primary contests to date, according to the Pew Forum. More detailed religious affiliations are available in six of those states.
White evangelicals formed more than a third of all GOP primary voters in each state except for Nevada (24 percent) and New Hampshire (21 percent). Romney, a Mormon, won the evangelical vote in those two states, and nearly tied for first in Arizona and Florida. But he lost the evangelical vote badly in three states: Michigan, Iowa and South Carolina.
Somewhat surprisingly, Santorum has not won the Catholic vote in a single state in which data is available, according to the Pew Forum.
Romney won the Catholic vote by at least 25 points in Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Romney also won 47 percent of the Catholic vote in Arizona, compared to Santorum's 33 percent. In Michigan, Romney bested Santorum among Catholics 44 to 37 percent.
Santorum has spoken far more about his faith during the campaign, while Romney has largely been mum on his Mormonism.
According to numerous separate polls, a significant minority of GOP voters, especially evangelicals, remain reluctant to vote for a Mormon president. Most Mainline Protestants and Catholics do not display the same aversion.
Romney, who has won more primary elections and delegates than any other GOP candidate, also won the Protestant vote in three states: New Hampshire, Nevada and Arizona.
However, the Pew Forum notes that Romney's success among Protestants in Nevada and Arizona is boosted by their large Mormon populations. (The Pew Forum does not typically consider Mormons Protestant, but exit polls often do.) Romney won 88 percent of the Mormon vote in Nevada and 96 percent in Arizona.
Texas congressman Ron Paul has performed the best among religiously unaffiliated voters in the two states -- Nevada and New Hampshire -- where they participated in large enough numbers to be analyzed.
It does apply to Protestants, silly! What do you think the breakdown between Evangelical Protestants (who take their religion seriously and are conservatives for the most part) and mainline Protestants, who are flaming liberals, represents?
No one talks of “The Protestant Vote” because the fissure between liberal Mainline and conservative Evangelicals is so obvious.
Well, the fissure between churchgoing, faithful-to-the-bishops, church-teaching accepting conservative Catholics and liberal surburban CINOs is just as great and just as clear—dozens of sociologists have pointed it out.
But do the pundits and journalists do their analysis taking account of that fissure? No, they speak of “The Catholic Vote” as a monolith
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And now some FReeper, in order to bash Santorum, has copied this neat little dishonest trick.
So, if you insist on referring to a monolithic Catholic vote (which does not exist), then don’t ever use the term “Evangelical Protestant vote” again—you have to lump ALL PROTESTANTS into the same bucket.
It’s an exact parallel to “The Catholic Vote”
You mean Newt aka the “Tony Blair Catholic”? The one who bashes Santorum for being so damn Catholic?
They always talk about the Protestant vote, when Santorum was run out of office in 2006, he got 39% of the Catholic vote, 42% of the white Catholic vote, 49% of the Protestant vote, 55% of the white Protestant vote, and 71% of the white Evangelical vote.
Catholics are all from a single church, and are baptized members of that church, for Protestants they lump together black churches, homosexual churches, ultra conservative churches like the Southern Baptists, who although they are second in size only to the Catholics, get lumped in with the hard left churches.
Protestants didn't vote for Obama, baptized Catholics did, they are very Democrat. The Protestant vote (all lumped together) has only gone Democrat in 1932, 1936, and 1964, it is the same in California, Protestants vote majority Republican, the majority of Catholics prefer Democrats.
Personally I find Gingrich's converting to Catholicism inspiring, and I think that he could be a real asset as a Presidential nominee in winning over Catholics and Hispanic Catholics, and introducing some zeal and passion into the Catholic voters and help teach them that the GOP is where they belong.
“On abortion, he is one of many senators who vote pro-life. The difference is that he is personally responsible for making sure a lot of these votes occur in the first place: He was an architect of the effort to ban partial-birth abortion, a strategy that energized the pro-life movement and allowed it to go on the political offensive.”
http://www.heymiller.com/2010/08/the-fate-of-rick/
Rick Santorum gets things done, because he is a FIGHTER, and that is what we need.
Let’s help out this FIGHTER, Rick Santorum!
“On abortion, he is one of many senators who vote pro-life. The difference is that he is personally responsible for making sure a lot of these votes occur in the first place: He was an architect of the effort to ban partial-birth abortion, a strategy that energized the pro-life movement and allowed it to go on the political offensive.”
http://www.heymiller.com/2010/08/the-fate-of-rick/
Rick Santorum gets things done, because he is a FIGHTER, and that is what we need.
Let’s help out this FIGHTER, Rick Santorum!
“On abortion, he is one of many senators who vote pro-life. The difference is that he is personally responsible for making sure a lot of these votes occur in the first place: He was an architect of the effort to ban partial-birth abortion, a strategy that energized the pro-life movement and allowed it to go on the political offensive.”
http://www.heymiller.com/2010/08/the-fate-of-rick/
Rick Santorum gets things done, because he is a FIGHTER, and that is what we need.
Let’s help out this FIGHTER, Rick Santorum!
Any Catholic that supports Romney is a fool - it is that simple.
Any Christian that supports Romney is a fool - it is that simple.
Any conservative that supports Romney is a fool - it is that simple.
Anyone who supports Romney is a fool - it is that simple.
Unfortunately that there are apparently a lot of fools in the USA.
Keep pickin’ them cherries.
“They always talk about the Protestant vote”
No “they” don’t. They refer thousands of times to “Evangelical vote.”
What part of “Evangelical” as a subdivision of “Protestant” don’t you get?
The division among Protestants is so clear that everyone (except cherry-pickers like you) take it for granted.
Well, darn it, the same fault lines exist among “Catholics.” The difference is that there’s a veneer of unity—mainly because the bishops refused to excommunicate the CINOs years ago.
When it suits you, you ignore the fault lines. Fine. You are free to do that. But if you want to understand electoral politics, you’d better pay attention.
But you just wanted to slam Santorum by claiming that “Catholics” don’t support him.
Well, Protestants support Romney by a landslide. Protestants are going to give us Romney as the candidate.
It’s all the fault of Protestants.
Pick them cherries.
Gingrich is fundamentally about Gingrich. I remember in 1995, after the 1994 victory, when some Wisconsin Republican gay US Representative started making noises about how the Pubblies need to embrace the Gay agenda.
Gingrich signed on to it. Until he saw that it warn’t goin’ nowhere.
I imagine Gingrich’s conversion is genuine. He may be repentant for his past adulteries.
But he’s got an ego the size of a supertanker. Henry Hyde used to say that he was 50% a genius and 50% crazy. He is. I’ll vote for him if he’s nominated, after he finally achieves the Monster Surge that all the Fringrichers keep hoping, hoping, hoping, hoping, hoping for.
But he’s mercurial. I don’t think he gets it at all about contraception.
And contraception is what created the huge fault line among Catholics. Catholics who accept contraception just don’t get a bunch of other issues. Contraception separated sex from procreation and made possible the sexual revolution. It lies behind every social pathology we suffer from today: divorce, fatherlessness, pornography, women who voluntarily become sluts tc. Paul VI was farsighted when he predicted all of that.
I don’t think Gingrich gets it. I’ll give him credit for standing with us on the religious liberty issue. He’d be an awful lot better than Romney. But he’s going to end up playing a Huckabeeby role and guaranteeing that we get Romney.
Who won’t defend us on religious liberty. I’ll vote for him because even the squishes he probably will appoint to the SCOTUS might be modestly better than the flaming haters of truth Obama will appoint. You take what you can get.
I don’t doubt that Gingrich’s personal conversion is authentic. I just don’t think he fully understands the culture-issues. He’s a million times better than Romney.
But he’s going to hand Romney the nomination on a silver platter.
Voting always has the Protestant category and often has an Evangelical category.
These are all different churches with vastly different ways, from Bible based Christian denominations to lesbian led Priest denominations, that is why over the years it made sense to have a measure for the more conservative Christian denominations, isn't the Catholic church supposed to be one of those? Would you like it if the Episcopalians were pushed over to Catholic instead of shoved in with the Southern Baptists?
The Catholic church is a single church under a single authority, it only includes baptized Catholics in it, Southern Baptists are the second largest church in America, they are independent and don't have a Pope and include people like President Clinton, Al Gore, but do you really want to compare their vote to the Catholic vote?
No the Southern Baptists and others who come under "Protestant" are thrown in with the black 95% Democrat voting churches, the lesbian led Lutheran and Episcopal churches and so on.
Even this pool of generic Evangelicals is a massive pool of various denominations, and are a larger pool than the baptized Catholics.
Bottom line:
The entire total for Protestant America comes out as a Republican voting block, the total for the single, baptized Catholic Church comes out as a Democrat voting block.
Nonsense.
Look at this 2004 California vote on the President, Senator, even pro-life issues, you will see Protestant voting and Catholic voting.
Oh my.
An evangelical. I caught a big one ma.
That was easy.
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