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Thinking Strategically about a Ban Disavowal [Mormon racism re: ban of blacks]
By Common Consent ^ | March 2, 2012 | Kevin Barney

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:08:50 AM PST by Colofornian

I’m a director in a couple of Mormon world-related not for profits...

...Here we sit 32 years after the 1978 revelation and we have one of BYU’s most popular religion professors indoctrinating thousands of our youth every year in the old explanations. This is a potential disaster for the organization. We thought the old stuff would die a quiet death, but it hasn’t. We now live in a different world...our old strategy of waiting for time to heal the wound has been shown to be a failure. So now we’ve got to rethink things.

SNIP

This is tough on our current leaders, because they knew and worked intimately with many of those brethren from a prior generation, and are loathe to throw them under the bus, as a disavowal of the ban might be perceived as doing...

...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

A lot of people have expressed the view that a disavowal would destroy the Church, that there would be massive faith crises. Sure, this would happen on a small scale, like the 500 people who took out an ad in the SL Tribune to protest the 1978 revelation...

“We don’t know” was an interim strategy that worked well enough for its time. But the problem is, that mantra was meant to preserve the possibility that God ordered the ban from on high, and a lot of older Saints understand it in exactly that way. And as long as we try to leave that option on the menu, people are going to continue to fill in the doctrinal vacuum with the old, offensive ideas. Those ideas will not die under a “we don’t know” rubric...

(Excerpt) Read more at bycommonconsent.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: banofblacks; lds; mormon; racism
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This was written by a Mormon who directs a few Mormon "not-for-Profit" orgs:

From the article: ...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

What's going to "blow up" on Mormons, the Mormon church, and potentially the GOP alike?

The fact that the Mormon church and its leaders -- including Mitt Romney who served as a stake prez & bishop & missionary prez -- won't repudiate its past racist policies.

This is like handing Obama a victory before anybody even votes!

From the Mormon-written commentary: ...Here we sit 32 years after the 1978 revelation and we have one of BYU’s most popular religion professors indoctrinating thousands of our youth every year in the old explanations. This is a potential disaster for the organization. We thought the old stuff would die a quiet death, but it hasn’t. We now live in a different world...our old strategy of waiting for time to heal the wound has been shown to be a failure. So now we’ve got to rethink things.

In case you missed all the excitement last week, here's some links:

* Racist Remarks by popular BYU Religion Professor Spark Controversy
* Is Mormonism Still Racist? Comments from a BYU professor stir up a troubling past
* BYU Professor makes controversial statements about Blacks & LDS Church

1 posted on 03/06/2012 5:08:54 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: All; Godzilla
From the article: This is tough on our current [Mormon church] leaders, because they knew and worked intimately with many of those brethren from a prior generation, and are loathe to throw them under the bus, as a disavowal of the ban might be perceived as doing...

(Oh, come on, Mormon non-profit leader Kevin Barney! Lds leaders do that all the time -- toss its past leaders "under the bus!" They do that by the constant hemming & hawing over the THOUSANDS of embarrassing comments made by Lds leaders!)

2 posted on 03/06/2012 5:13:57 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: Colofornian

I don’t like all the Mormon bashing. I really don’t much care what Mormons believe, and I’ve pretty much liked all the Mormons I’ve met and would have no problem with an LDS president so long as he is actually conservative (Romney is not).

Saying that, if Romney is the nominee, his religion will be a huge issue. Anyone saying otherwise is full of it. The Mormon faith will be torn apart, made to look like a loony cult, called racist, etc. I know a lot of Mormons are excited about one of their own perhaps being the nominee, but be careful what you wish for. Things are going to get really nasty.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 5:14:51 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Colofornian

You mean he would lose the black vote?


4 posted on 03/06/2012 5:14:55 AM PST by MNDude
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To: All
This quote (from a Mormon leader of Mormon non-profit orgs) can't be stressed enough:

...if Romney gets the nomination, then we’ll see this issue [Mormon racist statements by BYU profs -- and the lack of any official disavowal of PAST Mormon racist-based policies] blow up in such a way that the last few days will seem like a harmless firecracker...

The GOP will be brought down as a racist-org by association...because here Mitt Romney apparently "A-OK" Mormon policies on blacks the first 13 years of his adult life...giving 10% of his income to support such an org.

If Rick Perry was besieged by the MSM for a rock with a certain word on its bottom @ his family's hunting ground...look out when the MSM & Obama unleash the "Romney-as-go-along racist" campaign!

5 posted on 03/06/2012 5:18:05 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: MNDude

We’re talking a 48 state Reagan style blowout with Romney in the nomination.

Lots of people aren’t aware that the ban was only repudiated in 1978.

If their explanation for it is as lame as the one in the article, yeah, this would be enough to destroy him utterly.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 5:19:42 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: MNDude
You mean he would lose the black vote?

What? You think the non-black vote endorses racist policies?

7 posted on 03/06/2012 5:19:46 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: MNDude
You mean he would lose the black vote?

LOL.

8 posted on 03/06/2012 5:23:10 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: All
This Web site, citing Kevin Barney's quote, framed it all this way: Mormonism’s Refusal to Repent Over Institutional Sins Only Worsens the Ticking Romney-Timebomb
Source: Mormonism’s Refusal to Repent Over Institutional Sins Only Worsens the Ticking Romney-Timebomb

Republicans, do you know what a ticking timebomb Romney is???

For More Mormon & Romney problems updated weekly, see: Mitt Romney and Mormonism

9 posted on 03/06/2012 5:25:31 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: LeopoldvonRanke
No one cares ~ it was a Mormon thing and they didn't even have Mormonism in the same places where black people lived.

No doubt they should have repudiated the old beliefs some time in the mid 1800s ~ and then sent out missionaries to the black parts of town all over the country.

Today we'd have black Mormons instead of black Democrats. Obama would be a Mormon!

We'd still not be able to get the Republican establishment types to nominate a real Conservative. Romney would still lose.

10 posted on 03/06/2012 5:29:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian
As if ANY of the GOP candidates will get the black vote?!?

Get real, they'll back their "bro" Hussein, come hell or high water. Those people that were shocked that Samuel L. Jackson admitted voting for 0bama simply because he was black are either fooling themselves, or extremely stupid! His attitude holds true for almost all blacks.

As for religion: How could being a Mormon (Romney) be worse than being a muzzie (0bama)?

11 posted on 03/06/2012 5:30:24 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; MNDude
As if ANY of the GOP candidates will get the black vote?!?

(Ya know, if I took your comment & MNDude's comment at face value, you're implying that only blacks care about racism. That implication is insipid, offensive, crass, and accusatory of all whites...So...why don't you take the time you explain yourself, lest you lose your credibility once & for all on this Web site).

12 posted on 03/06/2012 5:36:36 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: muawiyah

Somehow I wager it will come up. Perhaps a month before the election in October?

Kinda funny how we haven’t heard a peep out of the O- Administration, but Catholicism is being savaged.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 5:38:16 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: Colofornian

Explanation would be fruitless to a person like you with an IQ lower than his shoe size.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 5:42:34 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke
There are several things going on there. First, there's Sebelius, who grew up Catholic and hates them. She heads up HHS which is running ObamaKKKare ~ so her detail work turns into major public policy news, and she's really doing a lot of Catholic bashing.

Secondly, there's Obama. He doesn't have a clue. He thinks Catholics are all criminals like the ones he knew in Chicago.

Then there's the campaign. There are two Catholic candidates, so he considers the bashing a two-fer.

I don't think they really know how to deal with Mormonism. They can do the black thing, but they already have all the black voters ~ and Leftwingtards are so irreligious they really won't be able to relate to any of it ~ "imagine that", they'll be saying "a church that gives orders ~ who believes any of that BS".

Romney already lost the Baptists ~ which is why he loses. His religion doesn't lose the race for him. His liberalism loses the race.

15 posted on 03/06/2012 5:49:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Racist. Bigot


16 posted on 03/06/2012 5:51:03 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: Colofornian
The black vote is a political thing. They'll vote for Obama because he's a Democrat ~ and because he's black.

This happened some time back when the black leidership decided it was better to be a major faction in a major political party rather than a minority group.

17 posted on 03/06/2012 5:51:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; All
The black vote is a political thing. They'll vote for Obama because he's a Democrat ~ and because he's black.

You know what...it's not just the "black vote."

Others care about racism.

Even secularists who aren't minorities have been "trained" by their campus teachers & other peer gatekeepers to be sensitized to racism.

Those who reduce this to "the black vote" have blinders.

18 posted on 03/06/2012 5:54:06 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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19 posted on 03/06/2012 5:55:48 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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To: All
Another thread...just posted: Mormon church's racial history continues to haunt Romney

This thread includes posts listing the...
...Book of Mormon passages...
...Book of Abraham (Pearl of Great Price) passage...
...and Doctrines & Covenants passage...
...that are still on the Mormon sacred books...

This shows that Mormon racism isn't just "yesteryear."

The Mormon tithes given by Mormons are used to reprint, translate & send these passages out worldwide.

Romney has given $MILLIONS to the Mormon church.

20 posted on 03/06/2012 5:58:14 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: Colofornian

Obama is a racist. He hates East Asian folks ~ thinks of them as little more than servant class.


21 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969

Am I in before the White Horse? That too is an obvious racist element of Mormon teaching. Why not a Black Horse Prophecy?

Why can’t be Mormons be as tolerant as the Baptists?

Southern Baptist Convention Set to Elect First Black President?

The Southern Baptist Convention, which has long dealt with issues of race since splitting in 1845 with Northern Baptists over the right to hold slaves, has grown to accept a diverse array of cultures within its congregation. Once an all-white membership, nearly 20 percent of its current congregation nationwide now is composed of minorities. Until now, however, it has never had an African-American president – Luter himself was the first ever African-American first vice-president of the denomination, appointed in June 2011.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-convention-set-to-elect-first-black-president-70673/


22 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:37 AM PST by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

Yep, his poor-in-spirit wife chose to attend one of the only couple of segregated colleges left in the late 60’s—BYU.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:06:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Colofornian

Been called worse. If you think any of the GOP candidates should waste their time pursuing the black vote, then you advocate a strategy that will lead to certain defeat. They have to concentrate on segments where there is a realistic chance of swaying voters.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 6:07:37 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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25 posted on 03/06/2012 6:19:13 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Colofornian

Most American’s rightly care about racism, but the Race Card has been pulled so many times that it’s become like the boy that cried wolf.

Using terms like “nappy haired Ho” and “the N word” from an individual will not go ignored, but a headline from the MSM screaming racism does not mean much any more except for those are actively seeking it.

Outside the KKK, no organization has a bigger history in racism than the democrats.


26 posted on 03/06/2012 6:29:51 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Longbow1969

If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it, before you quasi defend mormonism you should learn about it.
My lds family believe that Romney is the fulfillment of the white horse prophesy.
Romney has been groomed to complete the prophesy.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 6:32:25 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: muawiyah

Huh?
Interesting take, since it is the lds god who said that blacks where cursed, and then just when heat was being applied to SLC lds, well lookie here the lds gods changed their minds and blacks where no longer cursed.
Oh, yea technically BHO is a mormon since his mom was dead dunked and is now a mormon.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 6:37:29 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: muawiyah

If it’s devastating enough among the republicans - imagine it vs the Indies who already are suspicious about religion.


29 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:59 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: svcw
If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.

I'd also vote for a Buddhist, Hindu, etc, if they were a real conservative. My problem with Romney is that he is not conservative, not that he is a Mormon.

30 posted on 03/06/2012 7:06:26 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Romney is not a conservative, you are correct. He is not a conservative because he is a mormon, not in spite of it.


31 posted on 03/06/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Colofornian

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 10
Page: 110

You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 7
Page: 291

It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 107

The Lord said, I will not kill Cain, but I will put a mark upon him, and that mark will be seen upon the face of every negro upon the face of the earth; and it is the decree of God that that mark shall remain upon the seed of Cain until the seed of Abel shall be redeemed, and Cain shall not receive the Priesthood, until the time of that redemption. Any man having one drop of the seed of Cain in him cannot receive the Priesthood; but the day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 106

Why is it in this Church we do not grant the priesthood to the Negroes? It is alleged that the Prophet Joseph said—and I have no reason to dispute it—that it is because of some act committed by them before they came into this life. It is alleged that they were neutral, standing neither for Christ nor the devil. But, I am convinced it is because of some things they did before they came into this life that they have been denied the privilege. The races of today are very largely reaping the consequence of a previous life.

Author: Melvin Joseph Ballard
Source: Sermons and Missionary Services
Page: 248

The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom...

Author: Bruce R. McConkie
Source: Mormon Doctrine
Page: 527

Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fulness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 101

As a result of his rebellion, Cain was cursed and told that “the earth” would not thereafter yield him its abundance as previously. In addition he became the first mortal to be cursed as a son of perdition. As a result of his mortal birth he is assured of a tangible body of flesh and bones in eternity, a fact which will enable him to rule over Satan. The Lord placed on Cain a mark of a dark skin, and he became the ancestor of the black race.

Author: Bruce R. McConkie
Source: Mormon Doctrine
Page: 102

Now, my brothers and sisters, I would like you to understand that long before we were born into this earth we were tested and tried in our pre-existence, and the fact that of the thousands of children born today, a certain proportion of them went to the Hottentots of South Africa; thousands went to the Chinese mothers; thousands went to Negro mothers; thousands to beautiful white Latter-day Saint mothers: You cannot tell me that the entire group was just designated, marked, to go where they did, that they were men and women of equal opportunities. There are no infant spirits born. They had a being ages before they came into this life.

Author: Melvin Joseph Ballard
Source: Sermons and Missionary Services
Page: 247

Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to. The volition of the creature is free; this is a law of their existence, and the Lord cannot violate his own law; were he to do that, he would cease to be God.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 11
Page: 272


32 posted on 03/06/2012 7:41:57 AM PST by AnTiw1 (...sailboat bum ready to expatriate...)
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To: svcw
The LDS habitually rewrite their beliefs so it is not inconceivable that they'd changed their rules on blacks way back then. They changed other rules at that point of development.

If they had there'd be whole cities of black Mormons these days ~ doing Temple Work, campaigning for Mit, all that stuff.

33 posted on 03/06/2012 8:06:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969
You are so right, it WILL get very nasty if Mitt is the nominee. The media is keeping very quiet, but they have the info they need to crush Mitt in the general, and they will use it. So be it.

On this issue in this article, I can vision Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson waiting in the wings, ready to pounce. Don't doubt that.

The Democrats and their ilk are ruthless, they need Religion and Sex issues in order to divide Republicans, and scare the ill informed idiot voters, especially emotional women. Works every time.

I am so thankful for these threads that are exposing the ISM of mormonism.

34 posted on 03/06/2012 8:34:26 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Colofornian

Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?


35 posted on 03/06/2012 8:38:58 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: MNDude
And the Democrat party has Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton warming up right now, ready to pounce should Bishop Mitt win the nomination. Count on it.

Up til then Romney is getting a pass, but he will be crushed in the general over these issues. So be it.

36 posted on 03/06/2012 8:44:31 AM PST by annieokie
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To: allmendream; Colofornian
You ask: Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

I reject the premise as they are political systems not religion in any sense of the word.

37 posted on 03/06/2012 11:33:58 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: allmendream

A Bishop of the racist Mormon religion is running to be head of the GOP and the United States.

Is the GOP under threat of a Black Liberation candidate representing the GOP against Obama?


38 posted on 03/06/2012 12:21:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Santorum-Catholic and "I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress" he said))
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To: The Sons of Liberty

MUZZIEs don’t LIE about being christians.

They do not sneak about spouting christian verses.

They will only kill your body; not your soul.


39 posted on 03/06/2012 2:38:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Explanation would be fruitless to a person like you with an IQ lower than his shoe size.

SOL; your debating skills seem to be a bit lacking.

Perhaps I have a higher IQ. Could you please 'explain' to me?

40 posted on 03/06/2012 2:41:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.
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41 posted on 03/06/2012 2:44:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
... you should care what mormonism is...

But remember; a person must actually KNOW about MORMONism first.

And, of course, a bit more of the Bible than, "Praise the LORD; I love JESUS!"

42 posted on 03/06/2012 2:46:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
Interesting take, since it is the lds god who said that blacks where cursed, and then just when heat was being applied to SLC lds, well lookie here the lds gods changed their minds and blacks where no longer cursed. Oh, yea technically BHO is a mormon since his mom was dead dunked and is now a mormon.

Some folks wearing BLINDERS?

Then I'll need a bigger font!






"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

43 posted on 03/06/2012 2:48:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muawiyah
The LDS habitually rewrite their beliefs so it is not inconceivable that they'd changed their rules on blacks way back then.

I've not experienced this.

They'll IGNORE and SPIN; but the stuff is STILL in their 'scriptures' and in their History; where they CANNOT repudiate or renounce it due to being threatened with a Spirit of APOSTACY because of going AGAINST what one of the MORMON high muckety muck has said and taught.

Look at THIS and tell me what kind of feeling would race through YOUR heart, if you were a 'modern' MORMON...

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


44 posted on 03/06/2012 2:52:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: annieokie
I am so thankful for these threads that are exposing the ISM of mormonism.


45 posted on 03/06/2012 2:55:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: allmendream

yes


46 posted on 03/06/2012 2:56:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: allmendream
Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

Which religion do you find to DENY it's racism, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

47 posted on 03/06/2012 2:57:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Well, I guess that covers everything ~ (laughing heartily).


48 posted on 03/06/2012 3:29:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“How could being a Mormon (Romney) be worse than being a muzzie (0bama)? “

The voting public doesn’t perceive Zero to be a muzzie.


49 posted on 03/06/2012 3:50:17 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: Elsie

Hey, a talking cow. Imagine that.


50 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:34 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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