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Loudly Catholic Santorum loses Ohio Catholics
CNN ^ | 3/7/12 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 03/07/2012 7:50:09 AM PST by marshmallow

(CNN) - Rick Santorum, a conservative Catholic who is outspoken about faith-based issues, lost Catholic voters by a wide margin in Ohio on Tuesday, potentially a key factor that allowed Mitt Romney to squeak out the narrowest of victories overall in the state.

According to CNN’s exit polls, Romney took 43% of Ohio Catholics on Super Tuesday, compared to 31% for Rick Santorum, and Romney beat Santorum overall by 38% to 37%.

Catholic voters accounted for a third of Ohio’s Republican electorate, the largest share of Catholics in any Super Tuesday state.

“The margin of Romney's win among Ohio Catholics is surprising, given Santorum's traditional Catholicism,” says John Green, a political science professor at the University of Ohio. “Romney's margin among Ohio Catholics - especially in the three largest metropolitan areas - may account for his close win in Ohio.”

Green notes that Romney, a Mormon, has consistently won the Catholic vote in this year’s Republican primaries. That pattern runs counter to speculation that Catholics would focus more on hot-button issues at a time when Catholic bishops are battling the Obama White House over government-mandated contraception coverage.

Romney has denounced the Obama administration’s contraception rule but Santorum has gone further, making social issues a cornerstone of his campaign. Last week, the former Pennsylvania senator said that John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech in which the then-presidential candidate advocated an absolute separation of church and state nearly made him throw up.

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: kenyanbornmuzzie; mittromney; newtgingrich; ricksantorum
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Same story as in Michigan.

The epic failure of American Catholicism over the last 40-50 years rolled out in all its glory. It's little wonder that Obama is emboldened in his confrontation with the Catholic Church and its bishops. He believes, rightly, that significant numbers of those who self-identify as Catholics have long ago made their peace with the "culture of death".

1 posted on 03/07/2012 7:50:13 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

We evangelicals on the other hand love hearing him speak openly about such things.


2 posted on 03/07/2012 7:55:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

We “real” Catholics do as well.


3 posted on 03/07/2012 7:56:42 AM PST by steve86 (I have Schizoid Personality Disorder and am exercising the privileges thereof)
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To: marshmallow

The Church should have publicly excommunicated public figures claiming to be Catholic while rejecting Church teachings on moral issues.

Same must be said for the Evangelical churches. Bill Clinton and James Earl Carter come to mind. I’m certain there are many other “Baptists” that should be excommunicated.

If this alienated large swathes of people and they left the Church, all the better. A smaller, purer, stronger Church will always accomplish much greater things than a large, worldly, weak church.


4 posted on 03/07/2012 7:57:40 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: marshmallow

Personally, I believe that all of this emphasis on the ‘Catholic’ vote is aligned to a significant aspect of Obama’s plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN2MMuiedI&feature=sdig

*Note what a divisive man Obama is with rich/poor, minority/majority, Catholic-in-name-only/practicing Catholic.
Pure Alinsky tactics!


5 posted on 03/07/2012 7:59:06 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: marshmallow; potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

The hysterical left has succeeded in using contraception as a wedge issue, and Rick fell into the trap. I’m waiting for the current 0ccupant to be vetted and held accountable. It’s not happening because we let them frame the debate. Meanwhile, Mitt, like McCain tells us what a fine fellow 0 is.


6 posted on 03/07/2012 7:59:06 AM PST by ntnychik
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To: marshmallow

Unfgortunately, just like Romney, many Catholics tend to be pro-abortion...


7 posted on 03/07/2012 8:00:13 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ntnychik
Rick fell into the trap.

Hardly. Those in the trap are the ones on the right who have been tricked into pushing the leftist agenda of pushing Christianity into the shadows.
8 posted on 03/07/2012 8:02:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marshmallow

That’s because Catholics in the USA are union first.


9 posted on 03/07/2012 8:03:16 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: cripplecreek
We evangelicals on the other hand love hearing him speak openly about such things.

So do ordinary everyday Catholics. The folks ij the pews every week are NOT the Catholics referred to as Romney voters. Unfortunately there's no law against secularists who are 2-3 generations removed form full participation in the Church calling themselves Catholic.

10 posted on 03/07/2012 8:03:30 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Unfortunately, just like Romney, many Catholics Protestants tend to be pro-abortion... There. Fixed it.
11 posted on 03/07/2012 8:03:44 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: cripplecreek
We evangelicals on the other hand love hearing him speak openly about such things.

So do ordinary everyday Catholics. The folks ij the pews every week are NOT the Catholics referred to as Romney voters. Unfortunately there's no law against secularists who are 2-3 generations removed form full participation in the Church calling themselves Catholic.

12 posted on 03/07/2012 8:04:13 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: marshmallow
This is based on exit polls that ask religion. People who answer Catholic are often not practicing Catholics or even believers in God.

Even practicing Catholics seldom vote on religious issues. For the most part they vote for who they think is the better candidate.

That being said I think Santorum won among Catholics who attend mass.

13 posted on 03/07/2012 8:04:18 AM PST by detective
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To: Tennessee Nana

That’s an ugly lie.


14 posted on 03/07/2012 8:05:12 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: marshmallow

The real issue here is that many Catholics have dealt with the Rick Santorums of the world. They were the head altar boy, teacher’s pet types who took their hall monitor job way too seriously. They were the perfect little Catholic with a Lancelot complex. They were very annoying as holier than thou children and still are as presidential candidates.


15 posted on 03/07/2012 8:06:19 AM PST by redangus
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To: redangus

Newt and Rick supporters need to stand together against romney otherwise he wins. I have always said that Rick is my guy, but I will vote for Newt; never romney or paul. If we fight one another we will end up with romney. I have defended Rick, but have never said anything to harm Newt. I have heard a lot of Newt supporters who call Rick names and make outlandish claims about him. I hear some say they will never vote for Santorum if he gets in. Is that what you want Santorum supporters to say if Newt gets in? We will never support Newt? Is Santorum perfect? No. Neither is Newt. Some of the people who say they are Newt supporters, I’m starting to question if they are really romney supporters trying to make us fight one another rather than the real enemy; romney. Lets work together to take out romney. Otherwise we will have to pray for a third party, because I will NEVER vote for romney.

They go from thread to thread only to slam Rick. Nothing negative to say about obama or romney???


16 posted on 03/07/2012 8:08:45 AM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: redangus
That wouldn't be Santorum.

Until the time he met his future wife, he was a self-described "nominal Catholic", much like those who are now voting for Romney and who have little interest in the right to life or other moral issues.

Happily, Rick saw the light.

17 posted on 03/07/2012 8:11:44 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

The Pope needs to get over here and tell Catholics that they cannot be Catholic on a Sunday or when it suits them and then be voting for killing babies and same sex etc.

A memo needs to go out as well to every Catholic church mentioning this and remind most Catholics up in the north to get a grip .

The north east should be the most conservative area in the country but alas most Catholics up there seem to ignore their so called faith.


18 posted on 03/07/2012 8:11:57 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: ntnychik

Rick did not fall into the trap - he IS the trap. He has spoken about such things for so many years that he will NEVER escape them and NEVER change the subject.

And yes, parading around seven kids like props and the sweater vest and all of that just plays into it. It is not his fault, but it is the fault of anyone on our side who doesn’t see the abject danger of nominating this guy. He is who he is, period. And he is soooo easy to paint in this corner.

And actually, there is part of him that welcomes it too, making it worse.


19 posted on 03/07/2012 8:12:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Ingtar

[ That’s because Catholics in the USA are union first.]

But isn’t Santorum more pro-union than Romney?
I’ve read all over FR that Santorum is pro-union.


20 posted on 03/07/2012 8:15:54 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Linda Frances

Seven reasons for Rick Santorum


  1. Who has won the most states without the benefit of their own money, last election's organization or a billionaire casino sugar daddy?
  2. Who is everybody's second choice when he isn't their first?
  3. Who can get both the Romney people and the Gingrich people, who hate each other, to vote for him?
  4. Who has the best record on immigration?
  5. Who has the best plan for repealing ObamaCare? And is the only GOP candidate who didn't help write or approve legislation which helped spawn this fiasco?
  6. Who has the best plan for expanding the American economy and strengthening American families?
  7. Who is the closest thing we have to the "generic Republican" which polls show consistently beating Obama and is most likely to make the election about Obama's sorry record rather than about himself?

21 posted on 03/07/2012 8:17:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Unfgortunately, just like Romney, many Catholics tend to be pro-abortion.

False. I'm Catholic and I know very few Catholics who believe in abortion. Now BC that is another matter.

22 posted on 03/07/2012 8:17:31 AM PST by trailhkr1
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To: Linda Frances
They go from thread to thread only to slam Rick.

Ya sure called that one correctly.

"Various are the pleas and arguments which men of corrupt minds frequently urge against yielding obedience to the just and holy commands of God."

-Reverend George Whitfield.
23 posted on 03/07/2012 8:18:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: redangus

Do “devout Catholics” believe in tithing 10%? It amazes me that Santorum received evangelical support after giving only 2% of his $4 million in income to charity.


24 posted on 03/07/2012 8:28:09 AM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: marshmallow

marshmallow:

So by my count, 43% for Romney vs 31% for Santorum equals 74%. What about the other 26% of Catholic vote. Obviously, the 31% that went for Santorum plus the 26% that went for Newt or Ron Paul means that 57% of the Catholic vote was split among Santorum [Catholic], Newt [Recently received into Full communion in the Catholic Church] and Ron Paul [I have no idea what his religous affiliation is].

So again, when you see statistics like this reported by the media, and in this case any media, CNN, Fox, WSJ, NYT, WashPo, etc, etc, always read more into it as reporters like to report things to shape the story the way they want to. In this case, CNN’s article implies that Romney won all of the “Catholic vote” in Ohio, what he won was a plurality and in political terms a 57% vote against someone is in football terms a “Rear end kicking.”


25 posted on 03/07/2012 8:30:03 AM PST by CTrent1564
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To: Ingtar
“That’s because Catholics in the USA are union first.”

I have said that for many years. That is not a slight against Catholics, as many union voters will place the union goals above things they would otherwise hold in high regard.

Some are just okay with slighting others, so long as they get that fat paycheck, or a long drink from the government teet.

26 posted on 03/07/2012 8:31:23 AM PST by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: Bizhvywt

I voted for him yesterday. I am a Grand Knight in the Knights of Columbus. Rick Santorum is also a Knight. Now you all and I know that. No one else asked me if I was Catholic and who I voted for.


27 posted on 03/07/2012 8:31:47 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: detective

Do you mean 50 % of Catholics are non practicing? Non believers?
That’s silly. There must be some other reason


28 posted on 03/07/2012 8:33:47 AM PST by nandrew
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To: marshmallow

The Demo-Coms and their demo-comic followers in the media were allowed to obfuscate eugenics which is an integral part of Obama/Romneycare and reduce it into the mourning pill.

There are two issues here. Obama and his Demo-comic followers which includes a CINO (who should be excomminicated period) are preaching eugenics, population control. which is part of the Obamacare package. They are on record and actually say so. I am not going to reference it here but their statements are out there.

The second issue is its constitutionality imposing government position on religious groups. And BTW one graoup has been excluded on the Health care ...the Amish

.Demanding changes of acceptance in core cultural values held by religious groups and advancing eugenics meaning infantacide and condeming seniors to soylent green centers certainly does have a place in the political discussion. Particularly when that is being shoved on religious groups by the Demo-Coms . Especially when they’re ignoring constitutional rights...Two groups late in the last century led in that development the Nazis and the Communists. The Nazis began with smoking then terminating Down Syndrome children and on to mentaly defective children and adults.

Where the Santorum campaign failed was to allow the media and the opposition to describe the issue and reduce it into popping a morning pill. Furthurmore in Ohio’s case you had some major market so called “conservative” talk show hosts ridiculing Santorum on this issue not just the dummers on MSM.

Whether unfortunately Santorum decides to shy away from this issue or re-frame it is up to him and his advisors. But he should be encouraged to adjust the focus. One way the bishops can help is use the mechanisms they have to do so...after all they have shut down parishes which retained the latin mass but can’t speakout and act on this despicable movement .


29 posted on 03/07/2012 8:38:08 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: marshmallow

How did he do in Steubenville, OH?


30 posted on 03/07/2012 8:40:43 AM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Preachin'

Didn’t get Michigan Catholics either. One would think if the big crisis facing America, as Santorum would have us believe, is following the birth control doctrine of the catholic church, as he does, he would be overwhelmingly taking this segment of voters. Maybe this will help: Time magazine, “Rick Santorum is one of the top 25 most influential evangelicals in America.”


31 posted on 03/07/2012 8:41:41 AM PST by Toespi
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To: nandrew
“Do you mean 50 % of Catholics are non practicing? Non believers?
That’s silly. There must be some other reason”

That is not what I said.

I haven't seen the breakouts of the poll data so I don't know what survey sample is.

For the most part Catholics don't vote on issues of faith, they choose who they think is the best overall candidate.

That being said, I believe that Santorum probably won a majority of practicing Catholics. Romney won a majority of the voters who answered Catholic to the poll taker and who are nonpracticing.

32 posted on 03/07/2012 8:44:48 AM PST by detective
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To: marshmallow
No mention of Newt's share of the Catholic vote? Why not? He got 15% of the general votes in that state. Both Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum profess they are practicing Catholics. It's pretty simple to figure out what happened here. Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich split the votes of the majority of Catholic Republicans in Ohio that did not want someone with Romney's record to be the nominee. Romney won the remaining 43% (a minority of Catholic voters), most of whom are probably secular, non-church going Catholics.
33 posted on 03/07/2012 8:47:31 AM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: redangus

The real issue here is that many Catholics have dealt with the Rick Santorums of the world. They were the head altar boy, teacher’s pet types who took their hall monitor job way too seriously. They were the perfect little Catholic with a Lancelot complex. They were very annoying as holier than thou children and still are as presidential candidates.

That is why I want this guy as President. You said it yourself that he took their hall monitor way too seriously. He will take being President seriously too. I think that is a positive. Man if Santorum took 31 percent of the Catholic vote and Romney got 44 percent. What did Newt take? He has an even lower Catholic vote.


34 posted on 03/07/2012 8:48:59 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Linda Frances
I have defended Rick, but have never said anything to harm Newt

I am the reverse. Newt is my #1. But I will gladly vote for Santorum. He is a decent man and will make a fine president.

35 posted on 03/07/2012 8:50:24 AM PST by marron
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To: detective

The fact is Romney is winning close to half of the Catholic vote while Newt and Santorum are both Catholics.


36 posted on 03/07/2012 8:50:54 AM PST by nandrew
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To: Bizhvywt; marshmallow; Salvation; NYer
>> Do “devout Catholics” believe in tithing 10%? <<

No, this has never been taught by the Catholic Church. In fact, a recent study showed Catholics are the least likely to give 10% of their income to the church. Tithing is only taught by Mormons and some very conservative protestant denominations, and it appears Mormons are the only ones to get a majority of their members to actually do it: http://www.religionnews.com/ethics/money-and-giving/yes-mormons-tithe-but-most-others-dont

37 posted on 03/07/2012 8:54:40 AM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: nandrew

The difference is, Gingrich has based his campaign on oil prices, international policy, calling the MSM out for what they are, taking on Obama and his radical agenda, all those unimportant issues facing America. Mr. Oral Moral has focused on the evangelical voters and telling America how to conduct their private lives.


38 posted on 03/07/2012 8:59:01 AM PST by Toespi
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ve been thinking over the whole “contraceptive trap” idea, and I think it actually HELPED Santorum yesterday. Look, he was plummeting in the polls, right? Even the religious right was starting to get nervous with the snob comment and the JFK’s speech made me throw up jazz. But then, whaddya know? The left attacks Rush and family values with Ms. Fluke. Bingo!!! The single issue evangelicals RUN to the polls to defend Santorum’s (and their) values.

Slide reversed. Gingrich didn’t have a chance in Tennessee.


39 posted on 03/07/2012 9:00:04 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: marshmallow

Why would any Catholic vote for Mormon Romney, the flip-flopper and big spender that broke Massachesetts treasury?


40 posted on 03/07/2012 9:01:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
Fixing the headline:

Loudly Catholic Santorum loses Ohio Catholics CINOs

41 posted on 03/07/2012 9:02:35 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nandrew
“The fact is Romney is winning close to half of the Catholic vote while Newt and Santorum are both Catholics.”

This is based on one exit poll. I don't know how accurate it is or what the margin of error is.

But even if it were true, so what.

Most Catholics don't vote based solely on religion. The vote for who they think is the best candidate.

42 posted on 03/07/2012 9:04:16 AM PST by detective
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To: marshmallow
Find out more about Romney the Mormon cultist who believes in very strange things.

Find out about a cult

And would have us believe the same.......my answer...........no way!

43 posted on 03/07/2012 9:05:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tennessee Nana

agreed Nana but you know you’ll get flack for that


44 posted on 03/07/2012 9:10:14 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman,It's not a conservative view but a true American view)
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To: manc

That would be a very expensive memo for the Church.

Lukewarm Catholics still put their checks in the collection plate each week.

I don’t expect the Church to ever take such a hardline.


45 posted on 03/07/2012 9:14:12 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Bigg Red

mark


46 posted on 03/07/2012 9:14:43 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Might have helped him yesterday. Will kill the party in the fall. YAY RICK.


47 posted on 03/07/2012 9:15:28 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Ingtar
That’s because Catholics in the USA are union first.

Could be some truth to that in limited geographic areas -- like the rust belt including Ohio, I guess. But sure isn't around here or many places. Your "Catholics in the USA" is way over-stated.

48 posted on 03/07/2012 9:17:49 AM PST by steve86 (I have Schizoid Personality Disorder and am exercising the privileges thereof)
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To: steve86

I meant to type Midwest USA. My apologies.


49 posted on 03/07/2012 9:33:16 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: Tennessee Nana

Anyone can call himself a Catholic.
Anyone can call himself a conservative Republican.
Anyone can call himself an American citizen.

But rarer is the man that will call himself the truly Catholic, truly conservative, truly American specifics:

Anti-contraceptive, hire whomever I damn well want to, government is only good when and where it is helping me to defend my family militarily.


50 posted on 03/07/2012 9:54:53 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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