Skip to comments.Who is Mitt Romney? [Ex-Lds author reveals why Mitt's wishy-washy culture waffles & flip-flops]
Posted on 03/08/2012 5:57:03 AM PST by Colofornian
As the Republican establishment redoubles its efforts to anoint Mitt Romney the GOP presidential nominee (an outcome likely to ensure a second term for Barack Obama), the need to understand Mitt Romney increases.
What makes Mitt the kind of person he is ruthlessly opportunistic, dishonest, insincere, willing to say anything for advantage, lacking in conscience, preoccupied with appearance, etc., on the one hand, yet squeaky clean, family-oriented, disciplined, boring, and predictable, on the other?
My new e-book, A Mormon Story, sheds light on the culture that produced Mitt Romney.
The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture.
That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture). As a result, Mormons have little incentive to inform themselves about what the scriptures call the "doctrine of Christ" (since they consider that doctrine subject to change); or to rely directly on God to know His will in applying that doctrine to their lives; or to sacrifice their security, comfort, or needs to do what is right, above all else.
In such a system, truth is relative, LDS leaders become the only reliable authority, and individual members are subservient.
Outwardly, as is well known, Mormons appear upright but that is due largely to intense pressure to conform to the norms of Mormon society, and to uphold the Mormon church's nurtured image of conventionality. Inwardly, Mormons are less independently moral, principled, and informed than they may seem (something LDS scripture quotes God Himself as saying about them). They are trained to be dependent on church authorities to tell them what to think and do, in ways non-Mormons would have difficulty relating to. They behave much like a "cult" one centered in obedience to powerful, dictatorial leaders.*
As a culture, Mormons therefore tend to lack moral courage of the sort that would enable them to rise above such social pressure and truly lead out in solving the problems and paradoxes of real life. They are inclined to exemplify not firm leadership, but timidity masquerading as normalcy.
Watch Mitt in the debates. There's fear behind his practiced façade.
Sound intriguing? You bet (as Mormons would say). To read A Mormon Story, click here.
It's time for the culture of Mormonism its relativistic, authoritarian values and traditions to receive the kind of scrutiny often reserved for controversial elements of LDS doctrine. Americans deserve to know.
*To be fair, I should stress that my characterization of "Mormons" is just broad enough to create a clear picture of the traditions, values, and tendencies that do in fact permeate Mormon culture. I don't mean to imply there aren't exceptions among sincere LDS people. Indeed, I counted myself as an exception before I was excommunicated for "disobeying" church leaders who illegally demanded I abandon my political livelihood. I know several LDS members who have fundamental integrity, and who therefore struggle with the undoctinal demands and contradictions placed on them by LDS culture.
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
The answer, says this ex-Mormon in the book referenced above is: (From the article): The book reveals a value system that ultimately has no absolutes, other than the need to conform to deep-seated, highly-controlling authoritarianism that pervades LDS culture. That culture emphasizes a Mormon tradition known as "eternal progression" undoctrinal spiritual evolution in which even God is changing. It also emphasizes the notion that the latest words of governing church leaders trump the Word of God found in the scriptures (including LDS scripture).
IOW, EVERYTHING in Mormonism -- from its theology to its social practices -- is up for potential change at the whim of the Mormon god. Bottom-line: There is no bottom-line in Mormonism! There is no bedrock doctrine that cannot be replaced!
There isn't even an Ultimate god in Mormonism...Nobody knows who the gods are that were part of the council which appointed the god of this world -- a former man, say Mormons.
So there's not even any Ultimate Authority in Mormonism!
Good question. (It's one I've raised -- and answered numerous times on various FR threads)
So how have I addressed that in the past?
One of my key points in earlier posts is I attempted to draw an "If-Then" conclusion: If LDS theology effects social positions, then patterns of evolving theology and evolving social positions yields leaders who are all too comfortable with shifting both theology AND social positions.
We have to include the psychology of certain aspects of theological history. If a religious leader views God & historical faith leaders as ones who constantly do 100% about-faces on social positions...where theology & social positions not only "evolve" but involve total u-turns, then my premise is that when you have a leader like Mitt who has already displayed a penchant for multiple total u-turns THEN that = a socially (as in social issues) unpredictable leader.
We can agree that Mitt is totally unpredictable on social issues based upon his personal track record and based upon the historic leaders and the "god" he elevates as his role models
Therefore, what threads like these show all those FREEPERS who keep saying how "aligned" we are with Mormons re: "common values" is that the Mormon church can be liberal when it wants to...and it's been awfully convenient for that to happen more and more the last few years.
Illegal Immigration liberal policy nuances...In 2011 the Lds church had TWO of its U.S. bishops deported.
Abortion: The official Mormon church position (see
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm) is that it's "OK" for an abortion if...
(a) Incest needs to be covered up;
(b) The baby is disabled and needs to be destroyed accordingly
(c) Mom's "health" (whatever that means...distinct from saying "life" of the mother)
(d) If the abortionist says it's "OK"
(e) If the Mormon god says it's "OK" in prayer...
E alone above could "justify" abortion to individual Mormons as long it overrides the person's conscience!
And if you need further evidence of just how liberal the Mormon church leadership can be when it wants to be, then look at how Harry Reid was welcomed with such warm open arms by an all BYU student & faculty occasion for Reid to speak there: Reid gets warm reception at BYU
As I've REPEATEDLY said: Too many FREEPERS somehow think that Romney's wishy-washiness is "unconnected" to his faith. Well, the Mormon leadership has shown it can be morally wishy-washy whenever it's "convenient."
It was "convenient" for the Mormon church leadership to pass homosexual rights for Salt Lake City 'cause they were coming off of what the MSM regarded "negative" media play re: Prop 8 in CA.
It was "convenient" for their missionary program to support aspects of immigrants being here illegally.
And, at times, it's been "convenient" for daughters of Mormon leaders and others to get abortions.
Certainly, it's been "convenient" for them to have a Harry Reid in Congress "watch out" for Mormon church interests.
Historically, it was "convenient" for the Mormon god to change his mind about skin color...even if he didn't change Mormon racist "sacred book" passages depicting open racism. And it was "convenient" for the Mormon church to slowly rid itself of open polygamy because their church was threatened, their menfolk were in jail, and they wanted statehood. Even then, it was "convenient" for their original leader, Joseph Smith, to engage in sex with many women even though his own penned Book of Mormon called polygamy an "abomination."
“Oh yeah? how much you wanna bet the economy is worse off then before, huh? I'll bet you $10,000 (reaches out his hand pathetically).. heh heh heh”
IOW your typical politician.
That sounds a lot like the god of Islam. One cannot know what Allah really wants, except what the Imam tells you Allah wants and Allah is not bound by law either and could change his mind at a moment’s notice.
“...In such a system, truth is relative, LDS leaders become the only reliable authority, and individual members are subservient...” That sounds like Islam.
I support Newt-
what makes Romney a crappy candidate
Mormons have borrowed from the best of
Mitt’s more of a typical polititian,
very disappointing, but infinately better than a Marxist-
hey that’s a good campaign slogan-
“Mitt Romney-he ain’t much, but he’s better than a Marxist”
Even the primary Mormon "god" Mitt focuses on evolved.
Per Mormon "scripture," he began as a sort of primordial goo -- "intelligence." (Lds Doctrine & Covenants 93:29,33). (Oh, & per that source, so did you!)
In fact, per D&C 93, the Mormon "god" is no more eternal past than you or I or animals. We've all just always existed!
Then we all "evolved" into "spirit babies" when we were supposedly born to a Mormon goddess (or more than one) near Kolob. We're not sure where exactly the Mormon "god" evolved in a similar manner -- but he also then was sent to a planet to become a man.
At some point, the "god" of the man who wants to represent the United States before the entire world god got his "resume'" accepted by the "council of gods" -- and they appointed him god of planet earth. And his spiritual evolution supposedly invites one where Mitt can also become a god and rule his own world, receiving worship and prayer from his to-be-born spirit kids.
Of course, all this change & transformation by the mormon god sparked quite a theological debate within Mormonism thru the generations over whether the Mormon god increases in knowledge. For a while, the obvious answer was "yes." I mean, how can you go from primordial intelligence to spirit kid to man to God without increasing in knowledge in what Mormons call "eternal progression?"
But then other Mormon theologians came along & said that was "absurd" that God would increase in knowledge.
Mormonism still hasn't settled -- let alone cared to revisit -- that debate.
Hey, we know theologians tend to debate.
But, technically, Mormonism has no official "theologians." In fact, what they've touted over & over & over & over again is that the Mormon "god" won't let their "prophet" stray...and thereby the church won't stray into total apostasy...(Never mind that they believe that Jesus Christ as the Head of the early church somehow let that church go 100% apostate)
Therefore Mormonism touts being a DIRECT connection to the very vocal chords of its god. If that's the case, there is no need for debate: When the "prophet" & "apostles" speak, all is "settled."
So why the debate? And why hasn't Mormonism ever been able to answer simply: Does God increase in knowledge? Has the Mormon god evolved?
OBEY AND PAY
I grew up in the midst of mormons.
I wish all of this would be exposed while we are still going through the primary as I believe there are many people that aren’t aware of his Mormonism.
Now allow me to add the other dimension which helps foster the duplicity we see.
Lds chooses from amongst its laity prominent, successful professional businessmen to become members of its spiritual heirarchy -- what they call "General Authorities."
It's probably almost 100% -- if not 100% -- of them these days who have a professional/business background. And it's been that way for a while now...at least since Utah moved from a more rural setting.
Now what is all-important to the business community?
CONTROLLING your image. PR. Marketing.
Well, that dovetales with duplicity. Damn the truth -- just do the market demographic research...label & color your product accordingly...and sell, sell, sell & use whatever distortion sells!
No wonder so many former Mormon leaders like Mitt Romney are "perfect" for the political field.
Add to it that they've all been proselytizer-door to door peddlers as Lds missionaries -- and have been toughened by daily constant rejection -- and you have professionally groomed candidates from whom it's extremely difficult from which to extract reality.
rudderless, unprincipled narcissist who will inevitably cater to left-wing pressure and act like a liberal too?
Why do you have to point others faults?
To this very day, the Mormon church owned DesNews is printing articles on how Mitt is still having trouble getting the Evangelical vote...claiming that if exit pollsters asked more Qs re: common values -- vs. doctrinal focus -- there would be more "alignment" between us...
And we see that misnomer repeatedly endlessly on FR as well: That Mormons share common "values."
The problem is that we see in people like Romney, Huntsman & Harry Reid -- that Mormon leaders have no seeming "core values." (I won't say that's true of ALL Mormons; it certainly seems to be the case of most, if not all, Mormon leaders).
They are gumby.
The New Testament says true Christians are living epistles -- letters to be read by all. And it's true we ALL have trouble remaining legible for others to clearly read. I'm not claiming that Christians don't have their own problems in this area.
Yet with Mormon leaders, they are living press releases -- and there's just no way you're going to get a "read" on their core -- other than you know their core is revolving...evolving...flipping...flopping...waffling...wishy...washy...
They'll probably "market" it as C.P.C.C. -- customized political constituent "care" -- so that at least, you, too, might become one of those "pool of dependencies" that the other socialists ... the Dems ... rely upon.
I mean don't you Bay State (MA) citizens feel all warm & cozy & "government-sovereigned" by RomneyCare these past 5+ years? See tagline
Two things about your post.
What you said about mormonism probably means you know nothing about it.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
No if Romney wins, the choice will be between a guy who thinks he will be god and a guy who thinks he already is.
Yes. Either way, we're ripe for judgment...and not just for whom our citizenry elevates as "ideal" candidates.
Somebody said long ago: If God doesn't judge America, He'll have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah.
...a rudderless, unprincipled narcissist...
Let's remove Mormonism for just a second -- but keep one aspect of it as the "ultimate narcissist" worldview...the conviction & belief that you will one day grow from a "god in embryo" into a full-grown god of your own world.
Take ANY candidate.
Let's say Newt. (Just using Newt as a hypothetical here)
I think Newt has been a Lutheran; he's Catholic now. May have been something else as well as some point. Well, what if he re-emerged tomorrow & announced that his newest belief would be that he will eventually become a god & rule over his own world?
Do you think, for a moment, that a single belief like that would get a pass by GOP voters? By the MSM? By the Dems?
And even after it's covered as breaking news, do you think that would "stop" after the breaking news cycle ends? Do you think that little "tidbit" or "factoid" about our hypothetical Newt would evaporate from the voters' minds?
I don't think it would. Yet why don't candidate-evaluators hold Mitt to the same eval process?
Why does Mitt get a pass? Just 'cause he wears a certain religious label? And just because multi-culturalism & post-modernism teaches that supposedly all beliefs of systemized religions are equal & deserve "equal" respect?
And that's just one whacky belief among THOUSANDS by Mormons! What if our hypothetical Newt belonged to an openly racist org til age 31, baptized dead Jews in his spare time, wore magic underwear, and claimed ALL of his wives would be his simultaneously in the afterlife???
Narcissism -- in this case best evidenced by the belief that you're on your way to godhood -- not only gets a "pass" when it comes to Romney but a "thumbs up" from the GOP establishment & a high chunk of GOP voters.
Our nation is in deep, deep, deep trouble.
Discernment is long gone.
Makes sense. I’ve heard sad personal stories that confirm this.
It’s the reason why I think Glenn Beck will eventually leave the LDS church. He values truth too much.
AFAIK, he and his wife converted when he was in the depths of alcoholism, prompted by his daughter’s conversion. He will have to overcome this emotional attachment to Mormonism, which I believe is his sticking point.
Wrong! The "Ultimate Authority in Mormonism"is.....$$$!
Note that only ONE of the current leaders has ANY theological background..all the rest have majored in "profit".
While the Church employs an independent auditing department which provides an annual report to the Church, it has not published full financial reports since 1959.
That sounds a lot like Romney's ideas of Constitutionalism. One cannot know what the Constitution really says, except what judges tell you the Constitution says and the judges are not bound by law either and could change their minds at a moments notice.
With only small changes you get Romney's core notion of government as "whatever I saw".
“Why does Mitt get a pass?”
To help get him the nomination, then all hell will brake loose when the media and the left will go wild. The left is licking its chops waiting to pounce. It is too bad this can’t get traction now before it’s too late
You are being optimistic about Beck because you apparently see what mormoinsm is.
The draw of godhood is strong, and Beck has bought it hook line and sinker.
If Beck really valued truth, he would have never converted to mormonism.
” That sounds a lot like the god of Islam. One cannot know what Allah really wants, except what the Imam tells you Allah wants and Allah is not bound by law either and could change his mind at a moments notice. “
Islam vs Mormonism
by Kirk Grim
The Islamic faith is centered on the belief in one God and in Arabic he is called Allah. The Muslims, followers of Islam, believe that Muhammad was visited by an angel of light from whom he received God’s final revelation. Muhammad claimed that this angel of light was Gabriel, the same Gabriel as the one from the Old Testament of the Bible. It was several years before these visions were recorded in what is called the Quran, the sacred scripture of Islam. Some believe that the delay in recording the revelations was due to Muhammads illiteracy. Muhammad taught that some of the figures of the Bible, such as Moses and Jesus, were prophets but that Jesus was not the Son of God, crucified, or resurrected. And Muhammads revelations superceded previous revelations that were not in agreement with his. God has revealed His will through the medium of the prophets, that Muhammad is the last of the line of prophets, that the message revealed through Muhammad, the Koran, is the literal word of God, containing the expression of His will for man.
The Mormon faith is centered on the belief in one God (of this world). Mormons believe that Joseph Smith was visited by an angel of light from whom he received Gods revelation. The Prophet continued to pursue his common vocations until September 21, 1823, while “suffering severe persecution at the hands of all classes of men,” in part as a result of his claims concerning his first vision. As he prayed that evening that he might know his standing before God, an angel appeared at his bedside, saying that he had been sent from the presence of God and that his name was Moroni. He explained “that God had a work for [Joseph] to do; and that [his] name should be had for good and evil among all nations”. He instructed Joseph concerning a book that was written on gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of the continent. The fullness of the everlasting gospel was contained in the record as delivered by the Savior to these people. Joseph was also shown a vision of a nearby hill and the place where the plates containing this record were deposited. Several years later he would translate these plates into what is known as the Book of Mormon. Joseph taught that the Bible was correct as much as it is translated correctly, but his revelations superceded previous revelations that were not in agreement with his. He also taught that Jesus Christ was the Son of God through physical relations between God and Mary, but that Jesus is not God and did not pay for our sins on the cross. Along with the Book of Mormon and the Bible, Joseph received revelations that later became the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. The four books are considered the standard works of Mormonism.
It is clear that both religions must change the nature of God and/or Jesus to allow for the new revelations. Muslims claim that Allah is the same God that Jews and Christians worship. But the history of the name is quite different. The term Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabic deity. The tribe into which Mohammad was born was devoted to their Allah, which was the moon god. It was represented by the black stone they believed had come down from heaven. In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as female and the moon was viewed as the male god. In pre-Islamic times Allah was married to the sun god and together they produced three goddesses called The Daughters of Allah. In Mormonism, they profess that there is only one God but explain that it means one God of this world meaning that there are more. They teach that God ascended to his holy place and use the phrase, As man is, god once was, as god is, man may become. It is interesting what the Bible says about this, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works (II Corinthians 11:13-15).
Islam imposed its seventh century culture in its political expression, family affairs, dietary laws, clothing, and religious rites. Likewise, Mormonism imposes a set of laws about ones life that must be adhered to, it is known as The Word of Wisdom. The Word of Wisdom put restrictions on members of the Church. To this day those regulations apply to every member and to everyone who seeks to join the Church. They are so compelling that no one is to be baptized into the Church without first agreeing to live by them. No one will be called to teach or to lead unless they accept them. When you want to go to the temple, you will be asked if you keep the Word of Wisdom. If you do not, you cannot go to the house of the Lord until you are fully worthy. Some of the restrictions include, wine or strong drink, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill, hot drinks, Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine. Other restrictions are applied to dress and particularly the dress of women. In Islam they are covered from head to toe and in Mormonism they are supposed to wear clothing the covers their arms and legs. Men and women are both to wear protecting under clothing known as garments.
Both religions have demeaning practices regarding the treatment of women. In the fundamental sects of Islam, women are considered to be property and Muslim men still have the right to have up to 4 wives. In Mormonism the man holds the keys to exaltation for the woman. The subservient role of women in the Mormon temple ceremony is evident when they come to the veil in the temple. A man representing Elohim (God the Father) brings the men through the veil into the Celestial Kingdom. The women, on the other hand, are brought through by their husbands. This part of the ceremony seems to be an attempt to demonstrate that man is the head and God of the woman. The official who performs the wedding ceremony tells the man that he must look to God but the woman must look to her husband as her God. It is not possible for a woman to go to Christ, except through her husband. Mormonism also taught polygamy as an acceptable practice until after they were forced to abandon it early in the twentieth century by the Edmonds-Tucker act. Although the physical marriage has been abandoned except for some isolated areas around the country, they still practice polygamy through spiritual marriage. In this practice, leaders of the church are often sealed to widowed or unmarried women of the church.
After the Koran, Muhammad continued to receive revelation. He received revelations that he was to loot and steal from caravans that were going through. There were many cases where Muhammad and his followers would loot and rob caravans and would kill the men. In one of his revelations, he was told to kill and drive out all of the Jews. On one occasion he had one thousand Jewish men brought together and beheaded. Islam became known as the religion of the sword. After being forced out of Kirtland, Ohio for money laundering, polygamy and various other crimes, Joseph Smith and the Mormons moved to Nauvoo, Illinois. At Nauvoo, the Mormons organized the Nauvoo Legion. Robert Bruce Flanders explains: The crowning provision of the charter gave the city its own little army, the famous Nauvoo Legion....The Legion was therefore independent of and not subject to the military laws of Illinois. At that time the titles Colonel, Captain or General came to replace Brother, Elder, or President in the address of the Saints. Military spoils were for them a particular symbol of status, prestige, and reassurance. Joseph Smith preferred the full title of Lieutenant General. As the city grew, so did the Legion, causing apprehension among locals concerning the nature and intent of the Mormon kingdom. Mormon writer Hyrum L. Andrus recorded: Of the Prophet’s appearance as a Lieutenant General at the head of the Nauvoo Legion, Lyman L. Woods recalled, I have seen him on a white horse wearing the uniform of a general....He was leading a parade of the Legion and looked like a god. Joseph Smith seems to have desired to lead a large army, for he prepared a Petition to the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States, dated 26th March, asking the privilege of raising 100,000 men to extend protection to persons wishing to settle Oregon and other portions of the territory of the United States, and extend protection to the people in Texas.
Joseph Smith’s military plans and maneuvers were very disturbing to the non-Mormons who lived around Nauvoo. On July 21, 1841, the anti-Mormon paper, Warsaw Signal reported: “How military these people are becoming! Everything they say or do seems to breathe the spirit of military tactics. Their prophet appears, on all occasions, in his splendid regimental dress signs his name Lieut. General, and more titles are to be found in the Nauvoo Legion, than any one book on military tactics can produce; ... Truly fighting must, be a part of the creed of these Saints!”. In 1853 it was revealed by William Marks, a member of the Council of Fifty, that Joseph ordained himself as king to reign over the house of Israel forever. Joseph Smith was eventually arrested in Carthage, Illinois for burning down the printing office of the Nauvoo Expositor for publishing articles that he found offensive. It was from this jail that Smith killed 2 individuals while trying to escape, before he himself was shot and killed. To this day the Mormons claim this act of violence made him a martyr.
Now these similarities may be mere coincidence if there is not a link that in some way ties them together. That link exists, and it is Freemasonry. Freemasonry or the Masonic Lodge is a secret society that goes back several centuries. Freemasonry derives many of its symbols and mysticism from Arabia and Islam. They also profess belief in a God that they call the great architect of the universe. There symbols include the Arabic sword and crescent moon. The Shriners come from the thirty third degree of Freemasonry and are known to dress in ancient Arabic attire including the Fez and swords. Folklore says that the hat known as the Fez was named for the city of Fez, Morocco, where thousands of Christians were slain at the sword of Islam. As a sign of honor, the Muslims dipped the top of their hats in the blood that flowed through the streets. Mormonism is also filled with secret rituals and ceremonies that have been derived from Josephs familys membership in the Masonic Lodge. One example of this is the oath given by Mormons in a temple ceremony, “We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the first token of the Aaronic priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign or penalty. Should we do so; we agree that our throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by their roots. This is strikingly similar to the oath of the First Degree of Freemasonry, ... I will ... never reveal any part or parts, art or arts, point or points of the secret arts and mysteries of ancient Freemasonry ... binding myself under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the roots..... In both ceremonies the thumb is drawn across the throat to show the penalty. In Utah, Mormons cannot join their fraternity because of the things that happened in Nauvoo and they believe that Smith stole the Masonic rituals.
Yeah...I can see it now...
A local candidate is selling himself door to door...you answer...you invite him in to get to know him...
Thru an informal grilling process you finally extract these tidbits...that...
(a) He's earned a fair amount of $ from the porn industry;
(b) He's forced everybody in your community into govt-run healthcare;
(c) He says he's "pro-life" -- but that healthcare provides $50 abortions & has a Planned Parenthood employee as a permanent healthcare member...plus while running his last "pro-life" campaign he told a member of the local media that it's "OK" for parents to give up their offspring to "research"...
(d) He was a member of an openly racist org thru age 31 -- an org that still keeps racist teachings in its constitution but says policy-wise, they've changed.
(e) And, oh, btw, he'll be a grown-up god some day...but, hey, no worry about "idolatry" if you endorse him.
ALL: Paythefiddler's conclusion: "Well, you're a bit disappointing. You're not much of a candidate, let alone a candidate with an (R) attached, but I'll endorse you."
[To flesh out (a) & (c) above...(c) -- Romney told Katie Couric in Dec '07 'twas "OK" for parents to give their offspring to "research"...re: (a) Romney's been a board member for Marriott, which since at least 1989 has been selling porn inside its hotel rooms...something even they realize is problematic because they've announced they'll be stopping that practice...tell us the difference between a porn theater in bed with the porn industry & Marriott again? Aren't they all "porn theaters" & porn industry distributors?]
Hey, paythefiddler, with "fickle" "discerning" "conservative" voters like you, the GOP's in "great shape" long-term! /sarc
I will assert that Mitt is even more dangerous than Obama...everybody knows Obama is socialist, he’s not very subtle about it. Mitt is trickier, he will sugar-coat his socialism.
Yes, and I suspect that if he gets the nomination, by the time the 0bama campaign is done with him, huge numbers of people will be seeing LDS as a cult with bizarre teachings and beliefs.
this morning Neal Boortz was talking about the left going after Rush and he said who would they be after next ???
Who would they try to “tie” to Rush ??? Romney ???
Would Rush bring Romney down ???
I was in my car and I yelled at my car radio...
“Not even being “tied” to Rush could improve Romney’s image”
Mitt Romney-he aint much, but hes better than a Marxist
and hes still not good enough..
being non-Marxist doesnt make him a Conservative..
if exit pollsters asked more Qs re: common values — vs. doctrinal focus — there would be more “alignment” between us...
Christians dont dead dunked...
Christians dont practice immorality like polygamy...
The Christian God always was...
The Christian Virgin Mary was...
and so on...
Well, I have to say, Paythefiddler...your comment is not an isolated one these past months on FR. Because of that, and some interesting comments by other posters like Ansel12 -- like how this would impact who we consider to be otherwise "conservative" stalwarts -- I was motivated to write a "modern-day parable" if you will.
I just posted it as a vanity: 'What good would it do to forfeit your convictions & not gain your political world?' [Vanity about GoP & its voters]
I don't even care if it initially draws much comment. What's "good" about some postings is the ability to link to them in future posts...And I have a great feeling that comments like yours -- paythefiddler -- will crop up again...and which point I will compare them also to "Joe the Republican."
I do encourage you to read it...and then tell me if you see yourself in the "Joe the Republican" character.
It indeed was a "composite character" -- based upon plenty of FREEPER comments I've heard.
Mitt Romney-he aint much, but
as a Conservative I want much more.....
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MORMONism has STOLEN things rightfully Christian and TWISTED them into it's own fiendish ways; and having the GALL to claim that THEY are the ONLY true CHRISTIANS!!
MORMONism has STOLEN things rightfully Christian and TWISTED them into it's own fiendish ways; and having the GALL to claim that THEY are the ONLY true CHRISTIANS!!
So is my local dogcatcher!
ANY fool off the street is better than O; and MOST of them are BETTER than Romney; too!
Like having your mother-in-law go over the cliff driving your new Cadillac.
We may just have to endure another 4 of Bama; just to expose MORMONism to the world.
But really; would that not be better?
Just like 45-50 MILLION are since 1973.
America: you'd better repent, or it'll just get worse...
Somebody said long ago: If God doesn't judge America, He'll have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah.
Perhaps some eager beaver will jump the gun, and the floodgates will burst open!
We ALL know that they'd rather be FIRST with a story than be RIGHT about it!
Oh come on; ease up on him a bit.
He was rebounding from the absolute pits and his GIRLFRIEND said she would not marry him unless they had a faith they SHARED.
Perhaps SHE was the leader in this.
As a guy, if you put TRUTH on the scales trying to balance against NOOKIE; well...
...that'd be a TOUGH one!! ;^)
I worked for a very wealthy guy who sent a lot of his money offshore, and planned to move there with his young family. If economics weren’t an issue for me, I’d do the same. We can no longer lay claim to the title “greatest nation on earth.” Morally, culturally, and now financially and politically, we’re just another one. But every true Christian knows this planet is dying, and it’s all temporary. America was one unique, bright shining moment in the history of mankind. And that moment seems to be coming to an end.