Skip to comments.Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, [Part 1]
Posted on 03/08/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by marshmallow
Catholic attorney John Salza once found himself inside a masonic hall, being asked to take off his wedding ring and crucifix as he swore an oath to be reborn as a Freemason.
Although he knew in his heart that something was wrong, he did not leave right away. Over several years, he advanced to the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite a level that only a select group of masons are invited to.
While he was told that masonry was compatible with Catholicism, he eventually could not reconcile the two and left the masons. In 2008, Salza wrote a basic, short treatise, Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, (TAN Publishing) that addressed the serious conflicts that lay between Catholicism and Freemasonry (including the Shriners).
In mid-September, Bishop Michael Sheridan interviewed Salza for his Catholic Radio Network weekly show, Bishop Sheridan Presents, and the show aired Oct. 1-7. Over the next 2-3 issues, we are running a transcript of the show.
Bill Howard, Editor In Chief
Bishop Sheridan: Welcome to all in the Lord Jesus. On our program today we are going to be discussing the topic of Masonry, or the Masons, or sometimes called the Freemasons; an organization that we know is not associated with the Catholic Church but wanted to bring up on this program because it seems, at least in my experience in talking to other priests and bishops, that there are perhaps a good number of Catholic men who become involved with the Masons, very often in very good faith, thinking that they are in a fraternal organization that is not in any way at odds with the Catholic Church. Our guest today, I think, is going to lead us in a very different direction. We are joined by John Salza. Welcome John.
John Salza: Your Excellency, thank you.
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I have serious doubts this person was raised and then went on the Scottish Rite.
He would understand very well why the request is made to remove any metal object and his story seems uninformed.
Moreover, he would have sat through many initiations and heard the lectures as to why metal is removed for initiates.
There is no contradiction between what you are saying and what is printed above.
Howard simply says that the 32nd degree is a "select group". IOW, that while in theory it is achievable by all, not all attain this rank.
Am I wrong?
yes, it’s called Eastern Star.
This is simply not true Proposeed members are told explicitly that Masonry is not a substitute for religion and does not claim to be.
freemasonry was explicitly anti-Catholic in recent history and in some parts of the world, still is.
Any Mason who proposes to be anti-Catholic and claims masonry as the reason is speaking on his own behalf and has no standing in Masonry for any such belief. There are Catholics who are members of the Masonic Lodge and I suppose are right with their own conscience. As a Mason I and my fellow Masons would welcome them and would ask nothing of them that they would be uncomfortable with. We bear no ill will toward Catholicism
Actions speak louder than words.
When there are altars, vestments, prayers, oaths etc, this religious symbolism is very powerful.
We bear no ill will toward Catholicism
I believe you. I'm sure the same is true throughout much of the USA. This has not always been the case elsewhere, however.
One should be very careful when referring to past deeds.....the Catholic church has some pretty dark moments in it's history. History is rife with instances of men interpreting gods word to fit their own deeds! There are things in all our pasts that we would prefer had not happened.
Any Mason that seeks it can obtain it.
All these things can be found at the Olympics, are the Olympic Games a religion?
You were required to read or quote from the Bible...And you were given a Bible to take home...There's a giant 'G' somewhere near a compass and square that signifies 'God'...Maybe you didn't get the connection...
And if I remember correctly, God is mentioned thruout the initiation...
Don’t the Catholics have the Knights Templar?
Could be...But that was my experience and of those in my lodge...I assumed it was universal...
“G” is “Great Architect of the Universe” and Geometry.
I swore on a bible because i am christian, but they used “higher power” or “supreme being” for me to swear by.
Also, you don’t have to swear on a bible, if you are muslim you can use a koran, jewish a torah, etc.
I know of no lodge that would require such a thing...it would be strictly against Masonry rules. All Masonry rites and rituals are the same in any lodge and may not be written down. There are no readings of any bible and certainly not any passing out of any bible. There is no mention of GOD per se.
>>>I am a Mason....I know of no conspiracies
What degree of masonry have you attained? Can anyone show up at a masonic lodge, and sign up?
LOL you are saying the History Channel is more authoritative than "conspiracy kooks"? The channel that gives airtime to this guy?:
Knights of Columbus
The 32nd Degree is a conventional degree...nothing really unique about it. The 33rd Degree is much more exclusive, very few attain that rank...but that’s an honorific degree more than a standard degree.
I regard it as more of a “Lifetime Achievement Award” than anything else.
“They require a belief in God, not a deity...”
When that “God” can be any god, whether it’s Christ, or Allah, or Buddha, or Krishna, then it’s just a belief in a deity they require, not a “big G” God. Same as Alcoholics Anonymous and their “higher power”.
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, 26 November 1983:
I am a Master Mason. One must be invited to join the lodge and must obtain the signatures of two Master Masons.
“their murder of so many Masons on Friday the 13th.”
Dude, the Templars were not Masons. There is plenty of evidence that surviving Templars created speculative masonry after they were banned as heretics, but there were no Masons killed on “Friday the 13th”.
I wonder if American Masons even know about the European strain that is rabidly anti-Christian and in reality, anti-God.
>> “Over several years, he advanced to the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite a level that only a select group of masons are invited to.” <<
That statement is false.
The 32nd degree is the top degree that is admitted through study.
Perhaps they meant the 33rd?
Washington ultimately rejected masonry, which is what led to his death.
>> “The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone” <<
Other versions have that more accurately as “the head of the corner” in reference to the stone that finishes the pyramid, at the vertex. I.e. Christ finished the job of saving the elect.
I hear about it from my priest.
>> “I don’t believe that either...They require a belief in God, not a deity.” <<
Wrong; they believe that man may become a god.
>> “where did the history channel get it wrong?” <<
The history channel deliberately gets almost everything wrong.
Its a channel for the “skulls full of mush.”
It is still the position of the LCMS.
>> “there are also conspiracy theories abounding that the Vatican is controlled by the freemasons” <<
It is an established fact that the Vatican was founded by Pharisees that held the same beliefs of the freemasons of the day.
Found this Wiki about the KoC.
“The primary motivation for the Order was to be a mutual benefit society. As a parish priest in an immigrant community, McGivney saw what could happen to a family when the breadwinner died, and wanted to provide insurance to care for the widows and orphans left behind. He had to temporarily leave his seminary studies to care for his family when his father died. In the late 19th century, Catholics were regularly excluded from labor unions and other organizations that provided social services. In addition, Catholics were either barred from many of the popular fraternal organizations, or, as in the case of Freemasonry, forbidden from joining by the Catholic Church itself. McGivney wished to provide them an alternative. He also believed that Catholicism and fraternalism were not incompatible and wished to found a society that would encourage men to be proud of their American-Catholic heritage.”
So the KoC is a fraternal organization like Freemasons. The KoC has Supreme Knight, a Supreme Chaplain, four degrees in the order, officers, emblems, particular types of regalia to wear, and even junior level versions of the organization (similar to DeMolay and Eastern Star for the the Masons).
It seems that it is permissible for Catholic to be a member of a Mason-like organization as long it is under the aegis of the Catholic Church. Fascinating!
>> “there is no higher degree of Mason than The Blue Lodge” <<
Albert Pike disagreed with you.
Each lodge does seem to have a variant as in Posse conferred for LEO or the French version here I Burlingame which is very different but retains the requisite elements
>> “seriously, dont they have a womens adjunct?” <<
Job’s Daughters, Eastern Star, and many more.
Like a Hiram award
“If this is true it is not because of any thing the Masons believe.”
False. It is exactly because of Masonic beliefs stemming from their 18th century origins.
Is the Catholic Church fearing the pull of the Masons? Masons can go to church. Nothing prevents them from attend any church of their choosing.
You are expressing reasons why the Catholic church disalows membership in the masons I am expressing the Masons feelings toward catholics being members which is they are perfectly welcomed by Masons to be members if they wish!!
What!!!Washington died a mason and had all the privilagews of a Mason funeral.
George Washington, The Mason
George Washington joined the Masonic Lodge in Fredericksburg, Virginia at the age of 20 in 1752. His Masonic membership, like the others public titles and duties he performed, was expected from a young man of his social status in colonial Virginia. During the War for Independence, General Washington attended Masonic celebration and religious observances in several states. He also supported Masonic Lodges that formed within army regiments.
At his first inauguration in 1791, President Washington took his oath of office on a Bible from St. John’s Lodge in New York. During his two terms, he visited Masons in North and South Carolina and presided over the cornerstone ceremony for the U.S. Capitol in 1793.
In retirement, Washington became charter Master of the newly chartered Alexandria Lodge No. 22, sat for a portrait in his Masonic regalia, and in death, was buried with Masonic honors.
Such was Washington’s character, that from almost the day he took his Masonic obligations until his death, he became the same man in private that he was in public. In Masonic terms, he remained “a just and upright Mason” and became a true Master Mason. Washington was, in Masonic terms, a living stone who became the cornerstone of American civilization. He remains the milestone others civilizations follow into liberty and equality. He is Freemasonry’s perfect ashlar upon which countless Master Masons gauge their labors in their own Lodges and in their own communities.
Masons track their roots back much further than the eighteenth century!!!
Yup. I’m not sure if he even did more than one ceremony.
last time I read, there were no politicians who voted for abortion who were denied the sacraments. (perhaps on lone priest but they could obtain them somewhere)
what do politicians and abortion have to do with Catholics and Masons?
the concept of catholics facing a penalty. IOW there is no penalty.
Why would belonging to the Masons be a penalty?
I doubt it as well.
the catholic church allegedly punishes those who are masons.
masons do not care if a person is a catholic (per the postings here)
There are thousands of churches that will not grant church membership to Masonic Lodge members.