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To: Kandy Atz; fishtank; Jmouse007; Godzilla; ejonesie22

My ministry work exposes the heresies of Mormonism and other pseudo Christian cults. In that area I have become familiar with the subtle rewording and changes in context used by such groups. I see similar things in much of Copeland’s (and some other televangelists) work.

Just because something sounds biblical or even quotes Scripture doesn’t make it doctrinally sound. Mormonism is strong proof of that.

God uses people like me in exposing heresies. He uses His followers. Does He NEED me? No. Does He USE me for His purposes? Yes. And not just me.


47 posted on 03/09/2012 7:58:55 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Kandy Atz

It’s a tricky business . . .

However, I’m familiar with roles which folks throw lots of rocks at.

I have no huge need to throw rocks at your efforts to hold folks to Biblical standards.

Personally, I extend tons of grace because I need tons of grace.

I am fine about cautioning people about this or that heretically foolish thing some purported Christian—particularly leaders—may spout or write or fling.

I’m less fine about consigning them on my perceptions, criteria—even my interpretation of Biblical criteria—to the categories of deliberate and rank evil.

All the more so when the acknowledge that Christ came in the flesh etc. THAT’S THE BIBLICAL STANDARD.

Lots of other things are arguable.

And I’m not very supportive of consigning folks to evil labels over agruable things.

If they are clearly saying Christ did not come in the flesh;

If they are clearly ascribing evil things to Holy Spirit

that’s one thing.

Lots of other things are arguable and not for me to pronounce heavy handed judgment of others over such arguable things.

Besides . . . I’ve been wrong . . . more than a time or two.

I don’t want to be standing before Almighty God and Him asking me why I was so judgmental about a Brother . . . and turn out, from God’s perspective to have been wrong or mostly wrong . . . or right on the letter but wrong on the spirit of an issue.

No thanks.


51 posted on 03/09/2012 8:15:57 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: reaganaut; Kandy Atz

Or, put it another way . . .

I’m a recovering haughty prissy judgmentalist censuring prig. My teen and early 20’s years were something else on such scores. Not about to go back there.

The long dark nights of the soul God put me through to burn that stuff out are not anything I want to even remember well—and certainly not to have a refresher course in.


52 posted on 03/09/2012 8:17:38 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: reaganaut
God uses people like me in exposing heresies. He uses His followers. Does He NEED me? No. Does He USE me for His purposes? Yes. And not just me.

I thank God for people like you as you serve a very important purpose. How many lives have been ruined because somebody followed after a charlatan who no one dared to challenge? We need even MORE who will stand for the truth of God's word and defeat the demonic forces that pose as angels of light and ministers of righteousness. I'm sure Satan would love nothing more than for everyone to just leave them alone and "let God sort them out".

The Pharisee Gamaliel's statement of "Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” (Acts 5:38-39) is used to presume that God will stop false teachers so we need do nothing, although anything of God can NOT be stopped, Gamaliel was NOT a prophet nor was he totally correct as we see all kinds of false teachers and teaching around, some of them even older than Christianity. No, God gave us Scripture so that we CAN reprove, rebuke and exhort according to the standard of truth - the Holy Scriptures. And we are exhorted to test the spirits to see if they are from God, how else to do that than by the infallible authority of the Scriptures.

82 posted on 03/10/2012 9:25:02 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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