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Why Catholics cannot be Masons
Vivificat - From Contemplation to Action ^ | 10 March 2012 | TDJ

Posted on 03/10/2012 1:02:27 PM PST by Te骹ilo

Brethren, Peace be with you.

I want to add these to your reading list: a six-part interview of a former Freemason on why Catholics can’t become such published serially in the Colorado Catholic Herald:

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Part 1

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 2

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 3

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 4

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 5

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 6 (Conclusion)

- Purchase Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons from Amazon.com


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To: Te贸filo

Understood.

However, the charge of gnosticism is best wielded by those who don’t engage in a form of it themselves.


21 posted on 03/10/2012 1:46:53 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Hence, I can.

-Theo


22 posted on 03/10/2012 1:48:58 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: bramps
The questions you have for Mr. Salza, you can ask him.

As for your membership in the lodge and your Catholic practice, I hear you.

However, I suggest you expand your research. You may start here:

Regent Restates Vatican's Anti-Masonry Position.

Membership in the Masons.

Your priest is wrong and so are you, and my stance is that of the Church. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

-Theo

23 posted on 03/10/2012 1:55:27 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Te贸filo

This is BS. Or at least widely misunderstood. I have 3 priests, 1 bishop, 4 nuns in my family and I am both a Catholic and a Master Mason. Before he died, my uncle Frank, a Roman Catholic priest for more than forty years was visiting at my home. Somehow, the subject of Masonry came up. He said to me, “Charlie, there’s nothing wrong with being a Mason as long as you don’t go into the higher degrees.” There is something in the Scottish Rite that is offensive to Catholics.If you are a Scottish Rite Mason, you know what it is. If you are not, I’m not going to tell you.
As any Mason can tell you, there are really only 3 degrees. All the rest, including the Shrinners are just extra stuff. Just a little more fellowship and charity works. Therefore, If you are a Catholic and want to be a Mason, stop with the degree of Master Mason and you are okay. I know I will get a lot of argument on this, but I think I have my information from a reliable source.


24 posted on 03/10/2012 1:56:24 PM PST by navyblue (<u>)
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To: Te贸filo

Catholics can most certainly become Masons. Your title is, as a matter of fact, wrong. The Catholic Church might not like it, their communicants can in fact become Masons. And still, as far as the Masons are concerned, stay practicing Catholics.

This may come as a newsflash to you, but a number of people who here are Masons. As one of them, suffice it to say that I find this more than a bit offensive.

I do not begrudge you your Catholicism. But you, apparently, have issues with, and begrudge me my Masonry.

I hereby invite you to commit an anatomic impossibility. I fully expect that you will decline.

But in any event, why don’t you show some respect for the views of others, and peddle your anti-Masonic views (and pimp your blog), somewhere else?


25 posted on 03/10/2012 1:58:44 PM PST by surely_you_jest (Mitt Romney is the latter day incarnation of Joe Isuzu.)
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To: Te贸filo

One word: Fatima.


26 posted on 03/10/2012 2:00:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bramps

You are SO RIGHT ON brother!


27 posted on 03/10/2012 2:03:32 PM PST by navyblue (<u>)
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To: Te贸filo
feh...
28 posted on 03/10/2012 2:04:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: navyblue
Again, I hear you. I understand what you're saying, but I also understand what the declaration is saying, particularly these lines:

"Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

"It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 1981 pp. 240-241; English language edition of L'Osservatore Romano, 9 March 1981).

I find nothing here difficult to understand. It clearly says that all the priests in your family - may God bless them all - can become bishops - May God will it - and can approve your Masonic membership and interpret it in the most benign terms, and even then they would be unauthorized to do it and you would still be wrong.

If any one of your relatives is a canon laywer, ask him/her about it in all seriousness. Ask them not to spare your feelings.

-Theo

29 posted on 03/10/2012 2:04:57 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: surely_you_jest

I think your answer pretty much sums up what the problem is between the Catholic Church and the Freemasons. One may be a Catholic Freemason and be perfectly in good standing with the Freemasons, but one cannot be a Catholic Freemason and be in good standing with the Catholic Church, religiously speaking.

I’m not an anti-Fremason, but I am an ex-Freemason. I left when I realized that the only-slightly-veiled Luciferian ideals of the organization were not in line with my faith.


30 posted on 03/10/2012 2:07:44 PM PST by SquarePants
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To: Te贸filo

Good Grief! Where is the “Oh no, not this sh*t again” graphic?


31 posted on 03/10/2012 2:07:46 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: surely_you_jest

I think I’ve been here longer than you have and I have no plans to leave. So, you are right, I will decline.

Nor am I surprised about the Masonic presence here which, I suppose, reflects that of the wider population.

I said nothing offensive. If you took offense, sorry, I just present the truth with the lights God gave me. If you wish for an apology, ask Barak for one.

-Theo


32 posted on 03/10/2012 2:07:57 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: xrmusn
I miss the old characters like your grandfather.

Years ago we had one in my hometown that raised cattle and didn't eat beef.

He went into a short order place (in my uncle's grocery store) and ordered a hamburger. Everybody in town knew everything about everybody else, so... the waitress said, "You know you don't eat beef!" He, "I didn't order a beef burger, I ordered a hamburger."

They fried some ham and made him a ham burger.

33 posted on 03/10/2012 2:10:10 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: surely_you_jest

P.S.

I stand the corrected. You’ve been a Freeper longer than I have.

Nevertheless, I’m not leaving, nor will I stop posting what I think is germane and worthy of discussion.

-Theo


34 posted on 03/10/2012 2:11:22 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: lonestar

If you drink beer you can be a K o fC


35 posted on 03/10/2012 2:13:03 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: surely_you_jest

36 posted on 03/10/2012 2:20:21 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Te贸filo

Catholics most certainly can be Masons. Marsha Mason is Catholic. I’m not so sure about Perry Mason, though.


37 posted on 03/10/2012 2:25:59 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

LOL!

I almost said, “for the record, Charles Manson is not a Catholic either” but then I said, oops!

-Theo


38 posted on 03/10/2012 2:29:05 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: reefdiver
If you drink beer you can be a K o fC

If a man drinks beer, he'll be a great candidate for Grand Knight.

-Theo

39 posted on 03/10/2012 2:30:36 PM PST by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: EEGator

You too, sonny.


40 posted on 03/10/2012 2:37:21 PM PST by surely_you_jest (Mitt Romney is the latter day incarnation of Joe Isuzu.)
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