Skip to comments.Why Catholics cannot be Masons
Posted on 03/10/2012 1:02:27 PM PST by Te骹ilo
Brethren, Peace be with you.
I want to add these to your reading list: a six-part interview of a former Freemason on why Catholics cant become such published serially in the Colorado Catholic Herald:
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Part 1
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 2
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 3
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 4
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 5
Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, Pt. 6 (Conclusion)
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THEN; WHo built all them damned cathedrals out of stone?..
But Catholics can be members of the Knights Of Columbus which is a Mason-like organization.
Other that giving a hit to some obscure blog, why don’t you summarize for us?
Can protestants be members of K of C? Just asking...
And that is the reason why Catholics are not supposed to be Masons.
I was watching one of the anti mason conspiracy theory shows last night and I realized what a bunch of morons the “anti masonites” really are.
They claim our founders were all masons who wanted this new world order so they set up a government that did everything it could to prevent it.
I’m a 48 year old man and can’t be a girl scout.
1. My blog is not “obscure” just dimly lit. The penumbrae helps one to meditate.
2. I provided the links to the original publication, the Colorado Catholic Herald. You didn’t have to visit my blog. You could’ve gone straight to the original pub. I provided the reading list to my readers, as I file all such as, well, “reading lists” for their convenience.
3. Fair enough. Summary: Can Catholics become Masons? Not in good conscience. If one does, he cannot receive the Eucharist.
Uh oh. Any Knights out there who may wish to take this one head on?
To the best of my knowledge, no.
That’s a shame, they throw one heck of a barbecue fundraiser around here. Pretty decent Brunswick Stew in the fall, too.
They stay up all night tending to both, when they’re not chanting rituals and dancing nekkid around the fire, that is.
Oops, are they going to kill me now?
(The above is satirical humor, for the benefit of those so impaired.)
A good friend of mine is Grand Pubbah for a local lodge. Great man and all, etc.
I suppose is like anything, how deep you go and what are one’s intentions. But that many men join these lodges to pursue esoteric gnosticism, well, that’s a fact.
And that’s not good.
Can protestants be members of K of C? Just asking...
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I think you still have to be a Catholic in good standing and be recommended by a Parish.
In 1950 or so our local Little League banquet was to be held in a Masonic Hall and I remember my grandfather being against it but don’t recall any debate/discussion at Mass or anything.
He finally ‘gave’ in and allowed me to go (I was getting an award of sorts) but as I remember, he didn’t like it.
He also got ‘mad’ at me in 1956 for going in the Navy while that ‘damned Republican’ (Ike) was president, saying there wasn’t any war going on so no need serving the R’s...
We were from the Southern tier of New York State and they were all quite Democrat and a lot of Catholics
Good man, my Grandfather, carried US Mail in Goshen NY for 40 some years and I do believe he never had a drivers license... Of course in those days the Mailman walked his beat... I could never imagine why he didn’t want to accept his ‘retirement’ from Ike but I ‘learned’ real quick when I figured what my reaction to a letter or meet with Carter and especially BO would bring from me.
I wouldn’t bet on that ;-) Moreover, I’d bet a 48 year old man could DEFINITELY become a BOY scout ;-)
Gnosticism, mysteries and secrets, the knowledge and understanding of which increases as one rises in the hierarchy.
Are there any other prominent fraternal organizations, that might be so described?
Why, yes there are. A few are even religions.
Why, yes but the Federal Reserve is not a religion...
However, the charge of gnosticism is best wielded by those who don’t engage in a form of it themselves.
Hence, I can.
As for your membership in the lodge and your Catholic practice, I hear you.
However, I suggest you expand your research. You may start here:
Your priest is wrong and so are you, and my stance is that of the Church. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
This is BS. Or at least widely misunderstood. I have 3 priests, 1 bishop, 4 nuns in my family and I am both a Catholic and a Master Mason. Before he died, my uncle Frank, a Roman Catholic priest for more than forty years was visiting at my home. Somehow, the subject of Masonry came up. He said to me, “Charlie, there’s nothing wrong with being a Mason as long as you don’t go into the higher degrees.” There is something in the Scottish Rite that is offensive to Catholics.If you are a Scottish Rite Mason, you know what it is. If you are not, I’m not going to tell you.
As any Mason can tell you, there are really only 3 degrees. All the rest, including the Shrinners are just extra stuff. Just a little more fellowship and charity works. Therefore, If you are a Catholic and want to be a Mason, stop with the degree of Master Mason and you are okay. I know I will get a lot of argument on this, but I think I have my information from a reliable source.
Catholics can most certainly become Masons. Your title is, as a matter of fact, wrong. The Catholic Church might not like it, their communicants can in fact become Masons. And still, as far as the Masons are concerned, stay practicing Catholics.
This may come as a newsflash to you, but a number of people who here are Masons. As one of them, suffice it to say that I find this more than a bit offensive.
I do not begrudge you your Catholicism. But you, apparently, have issues with, and begrudge me my Masonry.
I hereby invite you to commit an anatomic impossibility. I fully expect that you will decline.
But in any event, why don’t you show some respect for the views of others, and peddle your anti-Masonic views (and pimp your blog), somewhere else?
One word: Fatima.
You are SO RIGHT ON brother!
"Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.
"It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 1981 pp. 240-241; English language edition of L'Osservatore Romano, 9 March 1981).
I find nothing here difficult to understand. It clearly says that all the priests in your family - may God bless them all - can become bishops - May God will it - and can approve your Masonic membership and interpret it in the most benign terms, and even then they would be unauthorized to do it and you would still be wrong.
If any one of your relatives is a canon laywer, ask him/her about it in all seriousness. Ask them not to spare your feelings.
I think your answer pretty much sums up what the problem is between the Catholic Church and the Freemasons. One may be a Catholic Freemason and be perfectly in good standing with the Freemasons, but one cannot be a Catholic Freemason and be in good standing with the Catholic Church, religiously speaking.
I’m not an anti-Fremason, but I am an ex-Freemason. I left when I realized that the only-slightly-veiled Luciferian ideals of the organization were not in line with my faith.
Good Grief! Where is the “Oh no, not this sh*t again” graphic?
I think I’ve been here longer than you have and I have no plans to leave. So, you are right, I will decline.
Nor am I surprised about the Masonic presence here which, I suppose, reflects that of the wider population.
I said nothing offensive. If you took offense, sorry, I just present the truth with the lights God gave me. If you wish for an apology, ask Barak for one.
Years ago we had one in my hometown that raised cattle and didn't eat beef.
He went into a short order place (in my uncle's grocery store) and ordered a hamburger. Everybody in town knew everything about everybody else, so... the waitress said, "You know you don't eat beef!" He, "I didn't order a beef burger, I ordered a hamburger."
They fried some ham and made him a ham burger.
I stand the corrected. You’ve been a Freeper longer than I have.
Nevertheless, I’m not leaving, nor will I stop posting what I think is germane and worthy of discussion.
If you drink beer you can be a K o fC
Catholics most certainly can be Masons. Marsha Mason is Catholic. I’m not so sure about Perry Mason, though.
I almost said, “for the record, Charles Manson is not a Catholic either” but then I said, oops!
If a man drinks beer, he'll be a great candidate for Grand Knight.
You too, sonny.
That makes no sense, old man.
carried US Mail in Goshen NY.******* Brings back a memory of my old grandma on my fathers side...the closest she ever came to swearing was saying......Land of Goshen......Goshen was an area in the Old Testament.........
I haven't asked you to stop posting what you feel is germane for discussion. I'll even happily concede, without being asked, that generally what you posted _is_ germane for discussion.
What disturbs me is _how_ you posted it, or, to be more precise, the underlying assumptions of your post, as you posted it. And, apparently, I am not the only one that reacted way.
Or, for the rest of you who have taken offense at my post, Pax vobiscum.
I am a Catholic and a Mason, 32nd degree. Never heard “you can’t be. Mason.”
question — if the higher degrees are wrong, doesn’t it mean that participating in the lower degrees actually perpetuates or promotes the higher degrees?
You are absolutely correct that Church teaching forbids it. I’m a 3rd degree Knight just for the record. The statement that posted which is dated 1981 was reaffirmed two years in a statement from The Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (then headed by our current Pope). It was reaffirmed for the specific reason that relatively new Code of Cannon Law did not discuss it. The fact that priests or laity are ignorant of it (or ignore it) is no excuse.
Another point...never completely rely on a local priest for official Church teaching. There is a saying “Trust...but verify”. In this age of the Internet, it is easy enough to go to the source.
They were decimated by secular princes -- mostly the French King (who was the most powerful at that time and wanted the Templar's money...
So, yes, the Knights Templar were an intrinsic part of the theocracy
Sorry for the horrendous grammar of my first post. I should have reread it. Anyway, the basic point still stands. Official doctrine is that Masonic-membership is not allowed at any level. The sad fact that there are ignorant or indifferent members of the Holy Orders saying that it’s ok speaks volumes about the schismatic nature of our beloved Church.
The betrayal of the Knights Templar was one of the most disgraceful things in the history of our Church’s leadership. It is a very sad story.