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Is Mormonism a Christian Denomination?
Catholic Lane ^ | March 9, 2012 | Mary Kochan

Posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:23 PM PDT by NYer

Mormons like Glenn Beck and Senator Orrin Hatch have long given a high profile to this American-grown faith. And with Mitt Romney in the running for the Republican nomination, the question of exactly how to categorize Mormonism has become news. An Evangelical pastor who supports Rick Perry told reporters he thought Mormonism is “a cult”, prompting a denial of the opinion by the Perry campagn, and a characterization of it as “bigotry” by former member of the Reagan cabinet, Bill Bennett, speaking in support of Romney. Mormons, meanwhile, very openly express the hope that having a Mormon running in the presidential race will help people to see their religion as “mainstream.”

Mormons have been publicly asking to be accepted as “Christians” and have their church, “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”, viewed as just another Christian denomination for decades now. But their own history makes this problematic. Their founder, Joseph Smith, claimed to have been told in a vision regarding the Christian churches that God “forbade me to join with any of them” and “all their creeds were an abomination in his sight.” It is hence Mormons (not Christians) who established, from the beginning of their group, an antagonistic relationship with those Christian groups already in existence, although in recent years Mormons have sought to downplay this antagonism. Still, even while they seem to be natural political and social allies with Evangelicals, many Evangelicals continue to refer to the Mormon faith as a “cult.” (To make it more confusing for a Catholic, some of these same Evangelicals might call the Catholic Church “a cult.”) Meanwhile, when Mormons are not trying to make common cause with Evangelicals, they will boldly challenge Catholics with their assertion that the Mormon church is the only true church.

In one sense, clearly, Mormonism is Christian. If you were going to categorize Mormonism according to world-religion criteria, you would have to say they are Christians. World religions are the major belief systems found around the world that frame a tradition of enough cultural richness to support a civilization. The major world religions are Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Islam. Clearly Mormonism fits into the broad “Christian” category. And so would many other groups whose relationship with the wider Christian world is antagonistic: Jehovah’s Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals, etc.

Also, we have to remember that individual Mormons may be Christians in spite of being Mormons. Some Mormon converts were baptized as Christians at some point before becoming Mormons. So when we talk about whether Mormons are Christians, we really are talking about whether Mormonism as a belief system is Christian, not judging the faith claim of an individual.

America’s Lost Tribe

It may be that in the not-too-distant future, we will have to categorize Mormonism as a separate world religion. It is the fifth-largest religious group now in the US, having passed the Lutherans, and the LDS are experiencing rapid expansion in other countries. In many ways its development parallels that of Islam. Both religions were founded by prophets who claimed to have been visited by an angel. They borrow heavily from Judaism and Christianity, yet reject their central tenets. Both rely upon strange revisions of history. The Koran identifies Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Miriam the sister of Moses, who lived over fourteen centuries earlier. The Book of Mormon makes numerous claims regarding the peoples of the Americas (including the idea that the American Indians descended from a lost tribe of ancient Israelites) that have been refuted by history, archeology, and anthropology. Both Islam and Mormonism claim that where their sacred writings contradict the Bible, the Christian and Jewish scriptures have been corrupted.

It might be argued that Mormons have the right to say that they are “Christians” and no one should deny what they say about themselves. It is possible, however, for us to respect their right to call themselves whatever they wish without feeling compelled to validate that claim ourselves. This is complicated by the fact that to many Catholics, Mormonism seems no more strange than the Baptist faith, or that of any other Protestant denomination. In part this is because Mormons themselves generally use the language and terminology common to (especially Protestant) Christians. In their initial approach to you, they will do all they can to hide or gloss over the distinctive beliefs of their church. Statements of Mormon belief sound so much like statements of the Christian faith that many Catholics and Protestants are quite willing to recognize Mormons as “Christians,” not merely in the world-religion sense, but in the sense in which we Catholics recognize Protestant Christians as our “separated brethren.” This is a serious error with two major consequences.

First, Christians (including Catholics) are misled into the Mormon church where they are indoctrinated in a religion which rejects the central doctrines of the Christian faith, resulting in them bringing their children up as non-Christians. Second, Christians embrace Mormons as fellow Christians instead of evangelizing them.

In order to protect Christians from this deception and to help Mormons learn the truth, we must understand how Mormon doctrine differs from the historic Christian faith that we share with Protestants. To do this, we will examine first what Mormons say, then how they define the terms they are using and how that differs from the Christian faith. Finally we provide a biblical, Christian response and suggestions for how to discuss these things with a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The Central Question: Who is God?

What Mormons will say they believe about God:

  1. We believe in God the Father who is the Father of Jesus Christ.
  2. We worship God the Father and pray to him in Jesus’ name.
  3. Jesus is our Savior.

Why the Mormon God the Father is not the Christian God the Father:

  1. “God the Father” to a Mormon is not God the Father, first Person of the Holy Trinity, Whom Christians confess. He is one of many gods (D&C 130: 22-23).
  2. The Mormon worships God the Father because He is the god of this planet, but other planets have other gods equal to or even greater than God the Father. (Joseph Smith King Follett Discourse, 1844).
  3. The Mormon “God the Father” had a father and was once a man on a planet who worshiped his own Father God. He was subsequently exalted to godhood. He has a physical, human body (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
  4. It is the hope of the male Mormon to progress to the point where he too will be a god like God the Father and be ruling over his own planet (Ibid, p. 346,7)
  5. The Mormons have a saying: “What man is, God once was; what God is, man may be” (LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow’s summation). This is polytheism.

Christian answer:

  1. The God of the Bible is the Creator and God of all the universe, of all worlds, not just our planet. He made the heavens and the earth; there is no other God; there never has been any other God, nor will there ever be another (Gn 1:1; Is 43;10; 44:6, 8, 24).
  2. God the Father was never a man.
  3. You will never be God.
  4. True Christianity, like Judaism, is monotheistic. As our creed states “We believe in one God.”

Jesus: Brother of Lucifer?

Why the Mormon Jesus is not the Christian Jesus:

  1. The Mormon Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer (Satan). They were both born in heaven by God the Father’s union with one of his many spirit wives (Mormon Doctrine pp 192, 516; Ensign Magazine June, 1986, p 25)
  2. According to Mormon teaching, when it was time for Jesus to come down to earth, God the Father sent down one of his spirit wives from heaven to be born as a woman, Mary. Then he came down and had physical, marital relations with her in order for her to give birth to a human body inhabited by Jesus coming from heaven. This is a denial of the Virgin Birth (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50-51; Orson Pratt, The Seer, Oct. 1853, p. 158).

Christian answer:

  1. Since God the Father does not have a physical human body, He did not impregnate Mary by a physical union (2 Chr 6:18; Jn 4:24).
  2. Jesus became incarnate by the power of the Holy Spirit and was born of the Virgin Mary (Mt 1:23; Lk 2:30-35).
  3. God the Father does not have a wife or wives in heaven.
  4. Jesus is the eternally-begotten Son of God, one in being with the Father (Jn 1:1-18).
  5. He is not the older brother of Lucifer.
  6. He is the older brother, as well as Lord and God, of those born again by water and Spirit, God’s adopted children (Jn 3:3-17; Rom 8:14-17, 29).

Why the Mormon doctrine of man is not the Christian doctrine of man:

  1. According to Mormonism, all human beings existed as spirit children of God and his wife in heaven before coming to earth (http://www.mormonwiki.com/Pre-Mortal_Life).
  2. They grow to spirit “adulthood” serving God (even fighting in heavenly battles), and are then sent to earth to be babies of human parents (ibid).
  3. The earthly life is their opportunity to become gods themselves, like their heavenly Father, by “obeying the laws of the Gospel” just as the god of this planet once did (Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.1, p.69 – p.70)

Christian answer:

  1. There is no biblical support for the idea that human beings were spirit children of God in heaven before coming to earth.
  2. Jesus was unique in being a human being with a pre-human existence (Jn 1:18; 3:13, 31; 8:23, 58).
  3. Jesus took on human nature at the Incarnation. God became man — not the other way around. His human nature was glorified at His Resurrection.
  4. We will be like God in that we will have the same kind of glorified human nature which Jesus possesses, not in becoming gods and ruling planets ourselves (1 Jn 3:3; Rom 8:22, Phil 3:20-21).
  5. While heaven is the presence of God with unfettered communion, the distinction between God and creatures remains (Rv 5:13, 14).

What is Salvation?

What Mormons will say they believe about salvation:

  1. All are redeemed by the Savior’s self-sacrifice, from the consequences of the fall.
  2. Immortality comes as a free gift, by the grace of God alone, without works.
  3. Jesus is our Savior.

Why Mormon salvation is not Christian salvation:

  1. According to Mormonism, everyone and everything — all of creation — has been redeemed and therefore “saved” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671)
  2. This salvation gains, for all human beings, a physical resurrection only — not eternal life. Eternal life is not “salvation”; it is “exaltation” (Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.9).
  3. If you ask a Mormon if he is saved (per Evangelical parlance), he will answer yes.
  4. If you ask him if he believes you are saved, he will answer yes. This confuses Christians who do not understand that being “saved” and gaining “eternal life” are not the same thing in Mormon thinking (D&C 14:7; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 237, 376-377, 670).
  5. It is further confused by the Mormon distinction between “immortality” (salvation to physical resurrection) and “eternal life” (exaltation to godhood).
  6. The Mormons have a saying: “Salvation without exaltation is damnation.”
  7. Therefore, a Mormon can, with a straight face, tell you he believes you are “saved,” while he also believes you are damned! (Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-669).

Christian answer:

  1. We define salvation according to what we are saved from. We are saved from sin and from the wages of sin — death.
  2. To be saved from sin is to be justified and sanctified. To be saved from death is to receive eternal life (Rom 6:22, 23).
  3. Being saved, justified, sanctified and given eternal life by the grace of God are all things which are interconnected in the Scriptures. There is no biblical basis for separating them (Rom 5).
  4. Seeking exaltation is contrary to the spirit of Christ. We are rather to humble ourselves, recognize our sinfulness and call upon the Lord for mercy and forgiveness (Js 4:6-10).

Why the Mormon hope is not the Christian hope:

  1. It is the hope of the male Mormon to progress to the point where he will be a god like God the Father and be ruling over his own planet. This is “exaltation,” and depends upon the Mormon “Plan of Eternal Progression” (Joseph Fielding Smith ed, Teachings of The Prophet Joseph Smith, 346-48, The Ensign, Nov. 1975, 80).
  2. The hope of Mormon females depends upon their being married, in a temple ceremony, to a Mormon male who achieves exaltation (LDS.org lesson for young women; Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 291).
  3. Mormon women married to non-Mormons (“Gentiles”) can arrange for a “temple sealing” (marriage by proxy) to a Mormon male after their death. This is to assure that in eternity they are considered to have been married to and produced their children from a Mormon husband so that they and their children can be exalted.
  4. Mormon males expect to produce offspring in heaven with their mate(s), offspring who will subsequently be sent to populate their planet and achieve their own exaltation to godhood and so on and so on…

Christian answer:

  1. The God of the Bible is the Creator and God of all the universe, of all worlds, not just our planet. He made man for Himself and in His image to be in communion with God and enter into the love of the Holy Trinity.
  2. When man fell into sin and marred the image of God in his own being, the second person of the Trinity became incarnate — taking human nature to Himself.
  3. He then did what He could not do in the form of God: He died to save us from sin and death, so that we could come back into communion with God and share the love of the Holy Trinity. Our hope is to be with God, not to be God (Gn 1-3; Phil 2:5-11).

When Talking to a Mormon

Remember that the Mormon is trained to hide the difference between his beliefs and yours and to present himself as a Christian. However, his belief that he is a Christian is sincere, and his efforts to hide the distinctive of the Mormon religion are pursued in his desire to get you to accept Mormon teachings.

Do not allow glib, surface responses to go unchallenged; press the Mormon to define the Christian-sounding words he is using.

Define your own terms also. Draw the contrast for the Mormon. Calmly and clearly insist that what you and he believe about the nature of God, the identity of Jesus, the nature of man, salvation and eternal life are different. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.

Appeal to his honesty and sense of fairness. You might say, “Look, we are not going to get anywhere unless we are honest with each other. Without making any statement about which one of us is right, can’t we just acknowledge that we do not worship the same God?” or “Can’t we just acknowledge that we do not have the same hope for the future?”

Help the Mormon to consider the logical and philosophical problems with the Plan of Eternal Progression: If God had a Father and He had a Father and so on — then who was the first God? Mormons say it is an “infinite regression.” But since there is no way to cross an infinite distance or pass an infinite amount of time, there would be no way to get to “now” and to “us” from an infinite past. Time has to have had a beginning and it did. It began with the creation “of all things seen and unseen” by God. Mormons say that God is omnipotent (almighty, all-powerful), yet they say there are many gods. There cannot be more than one omnipotent being, so the Mormon conception of God is shrunken and distorted.

A big selling point of the Mormon hope for the future is the idea that families will be together eternally. But if Mormons become Gods of planets and then their children become Gods of other planets — how do the children and parents get together? Can a God leave his planet unattended while he goes to a celestial family reunion? This Mormon selling point would be diminished if we Christians were more vocal about our hope for the “new heavens and new earth” in which we know one another in the all the relationships of our present lives, only in glory (2 Pt 3:13; Rv 21:1).

Welcome the participation of Mormons in causes which we share for the common good: strengthening family life, fighting pornography and abortion, fostering the virtue of patriotism, and defending the Constitution. We honor each Mormon as a person who desires what is genuinely good for himself, his family and his society – and when we share the truths of the Christian faith with him.

[For more on the political implications of Mormonism see here.]


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
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1 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:27 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:33 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

3 posted on 03/11/2012 2:22:49 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: NYer
No, they're not.

But as far as bothersome religions go, they rank pretty low. Koranimals, radical evangelistic atheists, environuts, and those who worship themselves are far more disturbing than Mormons could ever be.

Choose your friends wisely, and choose your enemies wisely too.

4 posted on 03/11/2012 2:28:28 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: NYer

Mormonism has NOTHING in common with Christianity, except the name Jesus Christ, but the mean someone entirely different than Christians do.

It is simply a false cult.


5 posted on 03/11/2012 2:29:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: NYer; All

Excellent article. I will take one exception though. As a former Mormon, I know that it is NOT POSSIBLE for an individual to be a faithful believing Mormon and a Christian. The theology just won’t let them.

Many Ex-mormons who have become Christians will say the same thing. If you truly accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you cannot stand to sit through Mormon services or read the Book of Mormon.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 2:29:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: NYer

They are further away from Christianity than Islam is.

Yet, I prefer the former over the latter.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 2:29:49 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: NYer

No....next question.


8 posted on 03/11/2012 2:30:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: NYer

Remember that the Mormon is trained to hide the difference between his beliefs and yours and to present himself as a Christian. However, his belief that he is a Christian is sincere, and his efforts to hide the distinctive of the Mormon religion are pursued in his desire to get you to accept Mormon teachings.

Do not allow glib, surface responses to go unchallenged; press the Mormon to define the Christian-sounding words he is using.

Define your own terms also. Draw the contrast for the Mormon. Calmly and clearly insist that what you and he believe about the nature of God, the identity of Jesus, the nature of man, salvation and eternal life are different. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.

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This is excellent advice. Mormons redefine every term they use to make it sound Christian.


9 posted on 03/11/2012 2:31:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: NYer

Good summary of what Mormons believe.

But since the author lays it all out, why does he argue that Mormons belong to the Christian “world religion”?

“If you were going to categorize Mormonism according to world-religion criteria, you would have to say they are Christians. World religions are the major belief systems found around the world that frame a tradition of enough cultural richness to support a civilization. The major world religions are Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Islam.”

Well, they believe in God the Father, but evidently he is just the God of this planet, and there are many other gods. And good Mormons will become gods, too. That’s pantheist, not theist, let alone Christian.

Muslims adopted some Jewish and Christian ideas, too. But the author recognizes that they belong to a different “world religion.” Why is Mormonism different? The God of Mormonism is not the same as the God of Christianity, nor do they believe that Jesus is a Person in the Trinity.

I’m only raising these points because the Mormons seem to be foisting Romney on us, and I think we need to understand what that means.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 2:38:06 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: reaganaut
Mormons redefine every term they use to make it sound Christian.

Exactly. It's a syncretist cult, like many that came out of the 19th century US, made up of magic and spiritualism (ouija boards and table rapping and looking for gold through a crystal in your hat, as Joseph Smith did), a few notions from camp-meeting Christianity in the area Joseph Smith grew up in (the "burned over district" of Upstate NY, so called because all its many revivals had left it with nobody else to convert), and a few things that were considered exotic...such as Islam. Joseph Smith said he was a modern-day Mohammed.

Don't forget that even Islam was the offshoot of an heretical version of Christianity, Arianism. This was very extended in the Middle East, and regarded Jesus as simply a very special prophet. Mohammed, who was from a pagan tribe, mixed it with local pagan beliefs (such as the black rock worshipped by lunar deity followers) and touches of Jewish law.

But even though a syncretist cult may include touches of some Christian belief or scripture, that doesn't mean it can legitimately claim that it is Christian. Mormonism is not a Christian religion.

That said, I think there are many Mormons who actually want to be Christians and are sincerely deluded because they just want to be Evangelicals and be accepted as such. They can't be and someday they are going to have to make a decision.

Romney is not one of them, because he's really Mr. Mormon and thinks he's the fulfillment of one of their wacky prophecies.

11 posted on 03/11/2012 2:46:53 PM PDT by livius
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12 posted on 03/11/2012 2:51:11 PM PDT by narses
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To: South Hawthorne

However, they’re a cult, and I don’t want one of them leading this nation.


13 posted on 03/11/2012 2:55:58 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: NYer
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mormons are about as Christian, as Christians are Jewish. The one arose from the other and so there is some common ground, but they are not and cannot be the same.

The founders of Mormonism railed against Christianity and were at pains to separate themselves. History does not support the contention that Mormons are Christian any more than an exposition of core doctrines and beliefs supports it.

Mormons are not Christian. There has been far more political disadvantage than advantage to perpetuating such a claim. Devout Christians who know the profound differences between the two won't allow it. Given the aforementioned, strongly worded statements of Joseph Smith as well as other founders of Mormonism, I have to marvel at the specter of devout Mormons supporting such a claim, let alone allowing it to continue.

14 posted on 03/11/2012 2:56:50 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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The LDS is not Christian, though there may be some in it, but that is also true that other “churches” which operate out of “sola ecclesia,” holding the church magisterium to be effectively superior over Scripture, and presuming their teaching has the same level of authority, and which places both the souls as well often the bodies of men in danger.


15 posted on 03/11/2012 3:14:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a morally destitute+damned+sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you+live..)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Most people do not even realize the danger of having a member of a cult as President. Nor do they realize the political agenda of the Mormon Church to rule America and then the world as a Mormon Theocracy. They underestimate the level of obedience to the LDS heirarchy required by a Bishop.

This is as nuts as electing a radical muslim and adopting Sharia Law.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 3:19:34 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Mormons are about as Christian, as Christians are Jewish.
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Then you need to change your mouth...,

Mormons are about as Christian, as Moslems are...

Mormonism is to Christianity

as Islam is to Christianity...

Mormonism is closer to Islam

and was founded by the same type of demons...


17 posted on 03/11/2012 3:21:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: NYer

The problem with Mormanism is the same as that of Islam. Each is founded on the imaginings of a seriously disturbed individual who did not fit into society in his day and would not fit into society today.


18 posted on 03/11/2012 3:24:33 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: NYer

To the headline: hell no!!!!


19 posted on 03/11/2012 3:25:25 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Tennessee Nana

If the American public could actually see what was driving Bishop Romney, it would scare the living daylights out of them.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 3:25:43 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: NYer

Mormons are not Christians, they preach a different Jesus, a different and a different Spirit! 2 Cor. 11:4! The “gospel” of Joseph not withstanding.


21 posted on 03/11/2012 3:34:20 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: Tennessee Nana; RegulatorCountry
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Mormons are about as Christian, as Christians are Jewish.

Mormons and Muslims stand in about the same relationship to the Judeo-Christian heritage. Both attempt to expropriate mojo through an ancient pre-Christian ancestral relationship to the Jewish Patriarchs (Muslims by trying to insert themselves in the Abrahamic lineage through Ishmael. Mormons by trying to do the same through the "lost tribes") by which they claim to have divine authority to restore "the truth" in opposition to the corruption they claim was caused by ensuing organized Jewish and Christian religion.

According to the Apostle Paul, both Christian and Jewish believers in the Messiah (and more broadly, those who believe God as Abraham believed him) are co-heirs of the promise God made to Abraham and fulfilled through the faithfulness (dikaiosyne) of the Messiah, Jesus. There was always a single plan for the world that God had through the promises he made to Abraham. This is why Abraham is called the father of faith to both the circumcised and the uncircumcised.
22 posted on 03/11/2012 3:34:31 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: NYer
Only to the same extent that one can say Islam is a "Christian Denomination". New prophet with problems keeping his holy member in his sacred dishdasha/trousers, with a new revelation, a new book that describes Jesus in ways antithetical to the Gospels, immediately attracts a large and growing cult of followers by claiming all of the existing churches and both Testaments are "corrupted" and in error, and borrowing from local arcane influences (Meccan Moon God Meteor / Masonry) to form key elements in the new religion's practice.

The main difference is Mormonism was created in an environment where Christianity and a civilized adherence to law were solidly established, so he enjoyed only very limited success and his followers escaped to the desert instead of conquering the land. Mohammed started in a lawless tribal desert where his promise of booty and conquest could persuade the illiterate locals, who till then were worshipping Jinn and other spirits (the small Arabian communities of Christians and Jews were massacred or forced to convert), to "Submit" and join the fun. And that "fun", aka "Jihad", has continued with little interruption for just short of 1400 years. Mormonism has more than 1,200 years to go to prove it can last that long.

23 posted on 03/11/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: humblegunner

Was this an actual ad or was it Photoshopped? It looks like it could have been a commercial from the 70’s or 80’s.

Fruit of the Loom packages haven’t looked like that for a while.


24 posted on 03/11/2012 3:46:02 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
However, they’re a cult, and I don’t want one of them leading this nation.

This is why I have a hard time getting behind Romney and amongst other things. I would take him over Obama, he is an American!
25 posted on 03/11/2012 3:50:24 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Was this an actual ad or was it Photoshopped? It looks like it could have been a commercial from the 70’s or 80’s. Fruit of the Loom packages haven’t looked like that for a while.

Seriously? Is that all you have?? Please!
26 posted on 03/11/2012 3:56:02 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: NYer
I saw a young man who seemed to be praying for his food the other day and asked if he was a Christian. He said "No, I'm Mormon." There was more to the conversation but I thought that was interesting since I've heard Mormon's claim to be Christian.

I'd say Mormon theology is completely incompatible with Christianity.

27 posted on 03/11/2012 3:57:03 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: livius

That said, I think there are many Mormons who actually want to be Christians and are sincerely deluded because they just want to be Evangelicals and be accepted as such.

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In my experience, Mormons HATE Evangelicals in particular. When I was LDS we used to jokingly call them “reborns” or “gracers” and laughingly repeat statements like “yeah they can sin all they want and just get saved again on Sunday! How stupid they are!”

Also, until the late 1980’s most Mormons avoided the term “Christian” putting them in a separate category. Among some of the older LDS, you will still see this with statements like “I’m not a Christian, I’m a Mormon!”

However, I do agree that many of them not only believe they are followers of Christ, but that they are the only TRUE followers. It isn’t that they want to be considered ‘just another Christian church’. It is that they want all other Christian churches to disappear and recognize that they (the Mormons) are the ONLY true Christian church.


28 posted on 03/11/2012 4:16:29 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Cicero

“Why is Mormonism different?”

The author makes the point that they may, in the future, qualify as a separate World Religion from Christianity, but they just aren’t at that point yet, so they are lumped in with Christianity along with other cults that are not theologically Christian. I think the defining factor is that Mormons have not given birth to or sustained a civillization as of yet, apart from Christianity.


29 posted on 03/11/2012 4:17:10 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: daniel1212

INDEED.


30 posted on 03/11/2012 4:19:51 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yes, that’s a better comparison. Christianity and Judaism are related, and have oftentimes been antagonistic, but Christians acknowledge the author of Judaism as their own God, and the basis of their religion as a valid worship instituted by God. You can’t say the same for how Mormons view Christianity.


31 posted on 03/11/2012 4:21:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: NYer

Was Jesus a christian?.... or a Jew?..


32 posted on 03/11/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: hosepipe

Is the dead dunked jesus now a Mormon ???


33 posted on 03/11/2012 4:32:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana

[ Is the dead dunked jesus now a Mormon ??? ]

Is Jesus dead?..


34 posted on 03/11/2012 4:37:00 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: scripter

Interesting. That is a little unusual among the younger generations. Usually, they will say “yes”, and when pressed say “I”m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”.

When confronted with a statement that Mormons are not Christians, the pat answer is “Of course we are Christians. The NAME of our Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Why would we have the name Jesus Christ in the name of our church if we weren’t Christians!?”

Which proves they just don’t get what being a Christian really is.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 4:40:11 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: hosepipe; svcw

[ Is the dead dunked jesus now a Mormon ??? ]

Is Jesus dead?..
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

thats a good Q

Well he was dead dunked a few times..

and “temple married” to a few women...

so I guess the Mormons might think hes dead..

but its not necessary ...

there have been cases


36 posted on 03/11/2012 4:41:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: NYer

On a somewhat related string, is black liberation “theology” Christian? What does BTL tech about the inherently fallen nature of man and God’s saving remedy as personified in the Living Christ and His work of atonement? And is Barack Obama Christian?


37 posted on 03/11/2012 4:42:24 PM PDT by Elsiejay (in)
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To: scripter

asked if he was a Christian. He said “No, I’m Mormon.”
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at least he was honest...


38 posted on 03/11/2012 4:42:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ForAmerica

What?


39 posted on 03/11/2012 4:47:43 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Elsiejay

On a somewhat related string, is black liberation “theology” Christian?

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No they are not. Their Christology is that Christ came to deliver them from their oppressors (the whites) and true salvation is when they (BLT) overthrow those oppressors.

Easy comparison is the teachings of the “Zealots” in the Early Church that sought a political messiah rather than a spiritual one.

(and I can’t believe I just had to add ‘Christology’ to my dictionary...sigh).


40 posted on 03/11/2012 4:49:40 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: NYer
Is Mormonism a Christian Denomination?

No, next question.

41 posted on 03/11/2012 4:52:46 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: NYer

No.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 5:07:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hosepipe
Was Jesus a christian?.... or a Jew?..

Both.

43 posted on 03/11/2012 5:14:36 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

[ Was Jesus a christian?.... or a Jew?.. / Both. ]

Maybe neither..


44 posted on 03/11/2012 5:33:11 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: conservativejoy

Yes, the Mormon church is nothing short of sinister, and I didn’t know that a year ago. I got educated by reading FR.


45 posted on 03/11/2012 5:47:44 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: ForAmerica
"This is why I have a hard time getting behind Romney and amongst other things. I would take him over Obama, he is an American!"

I hold out hope that Romney won't be the nominee, because as serious as the situation is, and as much as I want Obama out, I am not going to be able to cast a vote for Romney. Primarily because he's a liberal who loves abortion and homosexuals, but also because he's a truly loathsome human being.

46 posted on 03/11/2012 5:50:02 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: hosepipe; Cicero

Well He certainly wasn’t MORMON!


47 posted on 03/11/2012 5:51:47 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: CatherineofAragon; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Godzilla; Elsie; ejonesie22; Zakeet; Jmouse007; ...

Yes, the Mormon church is nothing short of sinister, and I didn’t know that a year ago. I got educated by reading FR.

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Glad to hear it! That is our goal.


48 posted on 03/11/2012 5:54:12 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: NYer

No They are Polytheists
Orthodox Christianity is Trinitarian three person one God
Not three separate God and we can not become God and are no part of God we are creatures of God created beings.


49 posted on 03/11/2012 5:58:21 PM PDT by jroneil
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To: NYer

This is not news, but I’m sure many people are clueless about what Mormons believe. Heck, many Christians don’t even know what their own church teaches (doctrinally), let alone what Mormons believe.


50 posted on 03/11/2012 6:05:45 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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