Skip to comments.Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets [Temple oaths, secrets, secret tokens/passwords to heaven revealed]
Posted on 03/16/2012 5:09:23 AM PDT by Colofornian
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I hate Romney...I hate his politics...I care not what his religion is.
I wasn’t clear on whether or not the Catholic church believes Mormonism is a cult. Thanks for posting.
Hopefully those links cleared it up for you.
Yes, Mormonism is a cult as far as Catholics are concerned.
I was just mentally comparing the two in my mind on the secrecy thing.
A lay person can audit any theology class that a priest takes, I’m sure.
We have a huge Catechism to explain the “why” of things. Many parishes now have adult apologetics in defneding the Catholic faith as well as catechetical based classes for education of the laity. Ours is called Faith Formation 101 for Adults. Childcare is always available and we ask for a free will donation because we either serve a meal or a snack.
I am not sure what your Catholic friends have to do with Romney, however Romney is who he is because of his mormonism.
If you do not understand what mormonism is you will not understand who Romney is.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
Cat margi does know.
They are a defender of mormonism and very antagonistic to Christians.
margi is a noahide.
Very nice. Apologetics is an important part of the Christian faith. Peter tells us to always be ready to give an answer for the hope that we have.
Romney’s grandfather expatriating to Mexico to avoid the Feds and continue his polygamous marriages. SECRET.
The entire article is available At Packham's web site
Note to mods: The following is from the Packham website, not the Yahoo website.
The last part that is not posted on this thread is this:
All right. I am going reveal those secrets, since nobody else seems willing and able to do so.
The biggest secrets involve the special lengthy rituals (the Mormons call them "ordinances") that take place outside of public view in the Mormon temples. The most important of these rituals is called the "endowment" - lasting several hours and taking the Mormon through symbolic washings and anointings (in my day they were actual washings and anointings on the entire naked body), then clothing the Mormon in special clothing and robes (including the notorious "magic underwear," which Mormons call "the garment"). The Mormon then watches and participates in long dramatizations of key events in the coming of the gospel, beginning with the creation of the world, showing Adam's fall, the coming of the Christian gospel (but not the crucifixion and resurrection), and ultimately the Mormon's being admitted into heaven, represented by "passing through the veil (of the temple)." When Romney and I first went through this ceremony, it was a ritualized dramatization with live temple personnel. Nowadays it's a movie. Yes, the most sacred worship service in Mormonism involves watching a movie.
Why is that so secret? you may ask. What aren't the Mormons supposed to reveal? What do they hold so sacred that it's secret? Quite a lot.
Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password). The Mormon must make an oath that he (or she) will never reveal these, outside the temple. The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry. The signs are various positions of the arms and hands (right arm to the square, for example, is the "first sign of the Aaronic priesthood").
Before 1990, when Romney and I first went through this ceremony, we were taught that each of the first three signs and tokens also had a "penalty" associated with each one, and we had to mime various ways of taking life to represent the penalty to us if we were to reveal the secret signs and tokens: slitting one's own throat, ripping open one's chest, disemboweling oneself. Yes, folks, this was part of the most sacred ritual in Mormonism: pantomiming your own bloody death.
So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this? As Deborah Laake put it in her autobiographical book Secret Ceremonies, (New York 1993):
The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates [of heaven] would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ that I'd been raised to believe God valued. In fact, I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo. ... The mysteries of life were fraternity rituals. ... Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament? Those were the first moments when I viewed Mormonism with suspicion.
Or as summarized by a young Mormon missionary:"If we told investigators [prospective converts] about that, they wouldn't join, because it's too weird!"
But wait! you are saying. You haven't revealed anything. You've just told us that there is stuff to reveal. So reveal it!
Right. The four secret passwords that will get you into heaven:
The first one is the "new name" that you get with your garment. Mine is "Enoch" and you can borrow it when the time comes. The angel won't know. If you're female, you can use my ex-wife's new name: "Mary." (She would kill me if she knew I gave her sacred new name away!)
The second password is easy: your own given first name.
The third password: "The Son," meaning "the Son of God."
The fourth one is so sacred that you don't get it until the very last moment in the ceremony, at the veil, from God Himself (or an old guy standing behind the curtain who is pretending to be God). And it's very long, but you have to memorize it or you don't get in:
Health in the navel, marrow in the bones, strength in the loins and in the sinews. Power in the priesthood be upon me and upon my posterity through all generations of time and throughout all eternity.(If you watched "Big Love" faithfully, one episode showed this part of the ceremony.)
And what about the secret (oops! that should be "sacred") handshakes? Rather than describe them, I will suggest you simply do an Internet search for "mormon handshake" images. They'll be right at the top.
Anything else? Yes, there are more secrets.
During the endowment, Mormons are required to take secret oaths that they will obey various "laws." The "law of obedience" requires them to obey "the law of God and keep his commandments." They don't specify what the "law of God" is, but Mormons understand that the Mormon church is the only true source of God's law and commandments. So they are taking an oath to obey their church.
The "law of sacrifice" requires them to "covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God." Mormons understand "the kingdom of God" to be the Mormon church.
The "law of the gospel" is accompanied by a charge to avoid "evil speaking of the Lord's anointed [church leaders]" as well as avoiding "light-mindedness, loud laughter, taking the Lord's name in vain" and every "unholy and impure practice" (not specified).
The "law of chastity" is to abstain from sexual relations except with one's lawful spouse. That one does make sense. That's one of the Ten Commandments, after all.
The last law is the "law of consecration." It requires the Mormons to
...consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.
A couple of terms need explanation. The "Kingdom of God on the earth" and "Zion" mean, to Mormons, not just their church, but ultimately the theocracy that will replace the non-religious civil government. They believe, of course, that Christ will come to run this government, using faithful Mormons as administrators.
The pressing question for Mitt Romney, and for the Mormons who are supporting his candidacy, is: Would Romney consider the Presidency to be something that God had "blessed" him with, and which, pursuant to his secret oath, he should "consecrate" to his church for establishing a theocracy? If he is elected, will he kneel down and thank his God for blessing him with the presidency? And what is he supposed to do, according to his secret oath, with "everything" God has blessed him with? That's right: he is to use it for the benefit of the Mormon church.
Now wait a minute, you may be thinking. It doesn't really mean that! The Mormon church doesn't expect that from its members, does it? Oh, yes, it does! Remember California's Proposition 8? The Mormon church pulled out all the stops to pass that proposition, which would forbid same-sex marriage, and it called upon all Mormons to cough up and donate, even those who were not California voters. Those who were hesitant to do so (often the amounts demanded were thousands of dollars per family) were simply and subtly reminded of their "temple covenants." And they all understood that the church was calling in the chits on the oaths to obey, to sacrifice, and to consecrate whatever the church demanded of them.
How would a President who was also a good Mormon obey those secret oaths?
It wouldn't even take a phone call from church headquarters to the White House. Mitt, being a well-trained Mormon, knows "in his heart" what God would want (which is the same thing that the church wants, of course) and doesn't need to be told. That's the way it works already in the only American theocracy in existence today (Utah). The Mormon politicians who run that state - the judiciary, the legislature, the executive branch - don't have to ask church leaders for direction. They know what they should do, without asking specifically (usually).
The question for American voters is: knowing that Romney has taken this secret oath, that he is a faithful Mormon, do you want him to answer the question "Would you feel bound by your sacred oath to obey the law of consecration that you made in the endowment ceremony?"
Should it make a difference to you, the voter?
Joseph Smith was expelled from Freemasonry for his attempts to turn it into a religion.
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Actually he was expelled for ‘conduct unbecoming a freemason’ or whatever phrase they use for that for his criminal behavior and some anti-masonic statements by the Grand Lodge in Illinois. My great x4 grandfather was one of the ones responsible for kicking him out.
Mags is referring to the LDS “white horse prophecy”.
Mittens thinks he is the fulfillment of it.
I believe as a pol, he will do those things he is saying he will do.
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WHY do you believe that? He has never given any evidence that he keeps his promises. The man is a scumbag liar.
Mitt IS Obama, just ‘white and delightsome’....
Yeah, Mormons take Paul out of context and claim there are 3 (well really 5) ‘hereafters’.
No, the LDS theology and control of its members make it a cult.
Sorry, I thought you were LDS. NVM.
I was unfamiliar with Noahide beliefs and had to go look them up. Yep, I know Magritte is amusing himself, but I keep hoping some of that Perry-supporter common sense will rise up and show itself.... ;)
Not even close, Mags. But I never expect much from you.
I’ve never met a happy Mormon woman. They are treated like slaves. The brutality and mind control are obvious.
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I never have either, and I am a woman and used to be Mormon.
They will wear the “Stepford Wife” smile and say ‘everything is wonderful’, but the pressure, stress and depression is killing them. Every Ex-mo female I know says the same thing.
Don’t feed the troll, Cath. Mags doesn’t even have a dog in the fight since he is an ex-Christian who doesn’t even have the conviction to convert to Judaism, but rather is Noachide.
He trolls the Mormon and Romney threads often.
I care what his religion is, because worldview matters. It is the same reason I wouldn’t vote for a Muslim, or an atheist.
The fact that I also used to be a member of Romney’s religion, I know more about it and the control it asserts than most people.
What? Are you "discriminating" vs. SOME of the religious views on this thread? (Doncha know per your standards, you're not s'pposed to do that)
I am still waiting for the reason that UNICORNS were left off of the Ark!
NO; THIS does...
Ain't Salt Lake City PR great or WHAT!!??
Ok... I’ll play.
Now I’ve replied to you.
Specifically, what is the evil Islamic Religion going to try to get Ahmabignutjob to do as President?
It is supposed to hit 80° in Indy today.
I guess the Indianapolis MORMONs won't be eating any MEAT this evening!!
|The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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Joseph Smith, 1830 -- when he produced the Book of Mormon -- the wind was blowing "right" when it came to describing monogamy...it condemned polygamy [see Plural Marriages -- just posted yesterday]
Joseph Smith, 1831 -- when a young teen named Fanny Alger was a housekeeper @ his house...suddenly decided that monogamy was for the lovebirds as the wind blew "leftward"...see Alger History and Ancestry: Fanny W. Alger 1817-1879 [Mormon - Open]
Wilford Woodruff, Smith successor, 1890: Woodruff was an avowed polygamist...but he decided that at some point Mormons shouldn't be...and began putting the brakes on polygamy...the wind was blowing right again.
Mormonism today: Straddles the world -- telling the world it has done away with polygamy -- all the while it has an "eternal world" doctrine that admits not only polygamists like Joseph Smith & Brigham Young...but a Mormon guy who sequentially marries several women...and is married to them in the Mormon temple for "eternity" -- is a supposed "eternal polygamist."
So...in the colonized Mormon eternal world...the wind blows leftward...on earth...the wind blows to the right re: polygamy -- at least until the Mormon Jesus returns...when Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie proclaimed in 1966 and republished in late 70s that polygamy will be re-instated then...
So you see...Mitt is remaining "true" to the flip-floppy, wishy-washy, waffling Mormonism!
As well as anyone with half of a functioning brain...
Thanks for your reply. I understand you think it’s a cult and the like...I’ve talked to Baptists that think the same of Catholics as well. Taft was a Unitarian and did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Did that affect any of his Presidential actions?
What will the LDS “leaders” instruct Romney to do if he becomes President?
You ALL know that you put the right foot in and WAVE it all about is the proper procedure!!
--MormonDude(Over and over I tell these jerks: SHAKING is for GENTILES!)
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...
If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.
If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.
Mormons have a rightward bent reputation...but the Mormon church can be liberal when it wants to...and it's been awfully convenient for that to happen more and more the last few years.
'Leftward Wind-blowin' Examples:
Illegal Immigration liberal policy nuances... note these headlines:
* 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
* Utahpolicy.com had a headline in 2011: Considering The Disconnect Between Some LDS Church Members and Leadership on Immigration
Abortion: The official Mormon church position (see
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm) is that it's "OK" for an abortion if...
(a) Incest needs to be covered up;
(b) The baby is disabled and needs to be destroyed accordingly
(c) Mom's "health" (whatever that means...distinct from saying "life" of the mother)
(d) If the abortionist says it's "OK"
(e) If the Mormon god says it's "OK" in prayer...
E alone above could "justify" abortion to individual Mormons as long it overrides the person's conscience!
And if you need further evidence of just how liberal the Mormon church leadership can be when it wants to be, then look at how Harry Reid was welcomed with such warm open arms by an all BYU student & faculty occasion for Reid to speak there: Reid gets warm reception at BYU
Too many FREEPERS somehow think that Romney's wishy-washiness is "unconnected" to his faith. Well, the Mormon leadership has shown it can be morally wishy-washy whenever it's "convenient."
It was "convenient" for the Mormon church leadership to pass homosexual rights for Salt Lake City 'cause they were coming off of what the MSM regarded "negative" media play re: Prop 8 in CA.
It was "convenient" for their missionary program to support aspects of immigrants being here illegally.
And, at times, it's been "convenient" for daughters of Mormon leaders and others to get abortions.
Certainly, it's been "convenient" for them to have a Harry Reid in Congress "watch out" for Mormon church interests.
Historically, it was "convenient" for the Mormon god to change his mind about skin color...even if he didn't change Mormon racist "sacred book" passages depicting open racism. And it was "convenient" for the Mormon church to slowly rid itself of open polygamy because their church was threatened, their menfolk were in jail, and they wanted statehood. Even then, it was "convenient" for their original leader, Joseph Smith, to engage in sex with many women even though his own penned Book of Mormon called polygamy an "abomination."
Yup. Mitt Romney is being "true" to his roots...flow right enough to counterfeit...then flow left...flow right enough when challenged...then flow left.
(Said redlegduke, rather sanctimoniously)
I have no idea what his problem is. He came across as a Mormon with how he phrased his original post. Next he comes back with this hateful post instead of asking what I meant. He’s the one with the anger issue.
Apparently, you didn't read my qualifier in posts #2 & #3: I said: Its doctrine need not be conventionalbut it SHOULD BE KNOWABLE TO OUTSIDERS. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.
Let's apply this descent "into something darker" that the Mormon church has done with the example you give -- the life hereafter!
Mormons do this in numerous ways. I'll outline four ways...the "4th way" will be the next post:
(a) They claim that the only ones who get to be reconciled forever with Heavenly Father are married temple Mormons. Not even just "any" Mormon -- but only those with temple recommends & only those who are married. The worse thing about this is that Mormons say there are two other "spheres of heaven" -- but nobody in them is reconciled to live with Heavenly Father forever. What kind of a "heaven" have the Mormons created which has no Heavenly Father in it for most people???
(b) Nobody is "split up" for a while post-death...everybody goes to the same "spirit world"...Hitler...bin Laden...wind up in the same spirit world as everybody else...See from official Lds church magazine, Liahona, an explanation: The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)...And since Mormons have "baptized by proxy" both Hitler and Anne Frank, they both get the "opportunity" to accept the Mormon "gospel" and move in together in the lowest of three "degrees" of "salvation"
(c) Mormons claim that temple Mormons can become grown-up "gods" -- thereby creating competing gods to their own...so much for Mormons advocating that God receive ALL worship, adoration, prayer, etc.
(d) According to other sources, one of things that happens in the Mormon temple is that "...all parts of the body are washed and anointed with oil by the temple worker. Initiates are told that it will clean them from the blood and sins of this generation."
(Hmm...I could have sworn that the real Biblical Gospel claims that the blood of Christ takes care of those...but leave it to Mormon leaders to trump the blood of Christ with water -- just like they do in their Weekly Sacrament, replacing fruit of the vine with water).
Even to get into the Mormon temple, The temple recommend is a cherished slip of PAPER that gives its holder the right to enter the LDS temple and participate in its ceremonies.
Therefore, a piece of PAPER signed off by a Mormon lay bishop -- a position held at one time by Mitt Romney -- can determine if...
...a man gets to be sealed with his family forever in heaven...
...a person will be living with Heavenly Father forever -- or not...
...you can see your son or daughter get married (or other relatives and friends, for that matter)
...you'll become a "god" or not...
* Could you imagine Mitt Romney having that kind of power over you were you in Mitt's ward back when he was a lay bishop?
* Or knowing that Mitt himself believed he once held that kind of power?
* Now do you see why the author called this a "Mormon conspiracy"? (It takes quite a plot to have a piece of PAPER carry that much weight in a person's life)
* Now do you see why Lds lay bishops carry so much fearful power in the Mormon church? (A bishop says "jump" -- and the Mormon asks, "How high?")
You see mere pieces of PAPER carry tremendous weight in the Mormon church.
Q1: How do Mormons determine their next head "prophet"?
A: Among those eligible, a piece of PAPER printed long ago does. It's called a calendar. The age of the Mormon general authority among the candidates is what dictates to the Mormon god who gets the nod.
Lds may talk about how they "sustain" who the "prophet" is by a show of hands...but coincidentally, no "no" votes seems to have ever been tallied. Even the Mormon holy ghost can't override the the power of calendar PAPER re: the selection process.
Q2: In the Mormon plan of salvation, what power do pieces of PAPER carry beyond temple recommended Mormons?
A: Others (non-Mormons) can get a "get-out-spirit prison" monopoly card because some keen Mormon researchers found some old pieces of PAPER -- birth and death records...which in turn can trigger a proxy baptism in that Mormon temple...which supposedly triggers deceased Mormon spirit missionaries to go visit the Spirit World where ALL go after they die [If you don't believe this part of what I'm saying, go to this Mormon published source here: The Spirit World, Our Next Home
Q3: How does the power Mormon leaders assign to mere pieces of PAPER compare to how Jesus treated the all holy Bible -- which consists, of course of pieces of PAPER?
A: Even Jesus set the holiest pieces of PAPER in proper perspective when He said: 39(You) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME. (John 5:39)
IOW, even many people attending a Christian church abort the process. They search the Scriptures, thinking "in them" that they "have eternal life"....Yet Jesus said even the PAPERED Scriptures' purpose was to testify to HIM!!! (A testimony to a living relationship with the LIVING WORD, Jesus Christ). Jesus CANNOT be reduced to mere words about Him on pages. The LIVING WORD is to be encountered!
I am not a Mormon!
I am aLutheran, trying to be a Christian!
I have been a Freemason for nearly 40 years and have had no conflict between that fraternal organization and my Christian Religion.
End of statement. End of conversation.
Well, good. The link I gave in post #14 that shows some problematic aspects about Freemasonry is Lutheran...Some Lutherans really do frown on that.
Is there any point in playing with you, Magritte? I don't think anything I say is going to be taken seriously by you. Do you?
They will wear the Stepford Wife smile and say everything is wonderful, but the pressure, stress and depression is killing them. Every Ex-mo female I know says the same thing."
I've seen some episodes of the TV show, Sister Wives. Now I know they are so-called "fundamentalist" Mormons, but they say polygamy is so beneficial for the soul because it challenges you to be your best person, to rise above your jealousy. It came out later that the woman who was most vocal about it was on anti-depressants because of "jealousy issues."
It's not natural, and it's very sad for those women.
WELS frowns upon all things non-WELS. I am sure you would fit right in with them.