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Georgian Church Leader Congratulates Putin on Election Win
civil.ge ^ | March 14, 2012

Posted on 03/16/2012 9:05:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

In a message to Russian President-elect Vladimir Putin, Patriarch of the Georgian Orthodox Church, Ilia II, congratulated him with election victory and told him that Georgia would never tolerate “tearing away” Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

“I think that your huge experience will contribute to strengthening of peace and welfare in your country,” the Georgian Church leader says in the message posted on the Patriarchate’s website.

“Russians and Georgians are brethren in religion, which makes us closer, but neither Georgia nor our Church will ever put up with tearing Abkhazia and Tskhinvali region away from the soil of our homeland.”

“But I think that despite of all the difficulties, Russia and Georgia are fully capable to restore good relationship, which can take place only if a historic justice prevails.”

“I am sure, that sooner or later Georgia’s territorial integrity will be established, but it will be good if it happens in a period of your rule. I wish you health and your country – further prosperity,” the Georgian Church leader says in his message to Putin.


TOPICS: Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: orthodox
Russia must end its genocidal occupation of Georgia.

The Georgian Orthodox Church will never accept Russia's unchristian annexation of lands within the canonical jurisdiction of the Georgian Orthodox Church!

1 posted on 03/16/2012 9:06:01 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When Putin gets a firm grip, churches will be the first to suffer like they were back in the days of Stalin. Putin is ex KGP, and the first thing all KGP officers were required to do was denounce any religious affiliation.

Despite any press otherwise, Putin is an atheist and will dump the church (whatever form) in a heartbeat.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 9:17:45 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't agree with what the Russians did, however South Ossetia and Abkhazia are separate ethnic communities - the Ossetians are descendents of the Alans and the Abkhaz are a separate Caucasian group.

In Georgia there is intense consolidation of the Georgian ethnicity and language -- minor dialects are being consolidated by standard Georgian (which happened in Russia, England, Germany, Italy, France in the 1800s, so this is not new), which is fine for Georgians, but Abkhaz and Ossetes are separate peoples who have BEEN separate for over a thousand years (over 2000 for Alans and 3000 in the case of the Abkhaz).

In Modern-day, consolidated Georgia, there is no room for a separate Ossete or Abkhaz ethnicity. Hence they cannot be a part of modern-day Georgia.

What alternatives can they have? An independent state like Abkhazia can work to some extent as it has a sea front. But Ossetia can only be a part of a larger federation -- and whether we may like it or not, Ossetian ethnicity is better off in the Russian Federation than the Georgian federation.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe Putin had altruistic ideals in attacking Georgia -- he wanted to send a message to everyone. BUT, Ossetia should be united and be independent or a quasi-republic

3 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:05 PM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos
Both territories are part of the canonical jurisdiction of the Georgian Orthodox Church. If Russia was really the defender of Christians and of Orthodoxy then they would respect Georgia's sovereignty. While the USA invades islamic nations left and right, the only country Russia has invaded under the Putin regime is a Christian country which was part of the godless EVIL EMPIRE Putin wishes had never collapsed.
4 posted on 03/16/2012 10:09:59 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: doc1019
When Putin gets a firm grip, churches will be the first to suffer like they were back in the days of Stalin.

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

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"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

5 posted on 03/17/2012 12:00:01 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Putin praises Cold War moles for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets
Reuters | Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:04pm EST | Steve Gutterman

Vladimir Putin praised Cold War-era scientists on Thursday for stealing U.S. nuclear secrets so that United States would not be the world's sole atomic power, in comments reflecting his vision of Russia as a counterweight to U.S. power.

Spies with suitcases full of data helped the Soviet Union build its atomic bomb, he told military commanders.

"You know, when the States already had nuclear weapons and the Soviet Union was only building them, we got a significant amount of information through Soviet foreign intelligence channels," Putin said, according to state-run Itar-Tass.

"The were carrying the information away not on microfilm but literally in suitcases. Suitcases!"

Putin's remarks referred to the dawn of the Cold War more than half a century ago, but they echoed a message he has made loud and clear more recently: that the United States needs to be restrained, and Russia is the country to do it. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...

6 posted on 03/17/2012 12:02:28 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.france24.com/en/20090402-russias-medvedev-hails-comrade-obama

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090401/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacynuclear_20090401152002
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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From CBS-News, July 29, 2006:

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

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"Chavez pledged that his country would 'stay by Iran at any time and under any condition,' state television reported. Ahmadinejad said he saw in Chavez a kindred spirit." "'We do not have any limitation in cooperation,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. 'Iran and Venezuela are next to each other and supporters of each other. Chavez is a source of a progressive and revolutionary current in South America and his stance in restricting imperialism is tangible.'":
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/29/world/main1847331.shtml
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http://article.wn.com/view/2009/06/16/Iran_president_visits_Russia_despite_protests/

7 posted on 03/17/2012 12:08:16 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=

8 posted on 03/17/2012 12:12:25 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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