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Egypt's Coptic Christian Pope Shenouda III Dies
BBC ^ | 3/17/12

Posted on 03/17/2012 3:16:07 PM PDT by marshmallow

Egypt's Coptic Christian Pope Shenouda III has died at the age of 88, state television has announced.

The leader of the Middle East's largest Christian minority was reported to suffer from cancer that had spread to several organs.

Coptic Christians make up 10% of Egypt's population of 80 million.

After attacks on Coptic Christians in recent years, Pope Shenouda urged officials to do more to address the community's concerns.

Pope Shenouda led the church, one of the oldest Christian communities in the world, for four decades.

His political adviser Hany Aziz told Reuters news agency that Shenouda "died from complications in health and from old age".

He had returned recently to Egypt after seeking treatment abroad.

Pope Shenouda was born Nazeer Gayed into a devout Christian family on 3 August 1923 in Asyut, Upper Egypt, and became a monk in 1954, taking the name Shenouda.

After Pope Cyril died in 1971, Shenouda was enthroned as Pope of Alexandria.

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1 posted on 03/17/2012 3:16:12 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Imagine, the Copts have their very own pope.
I wonder if Pope Benedict is doing "outreach" to the Copts, or are they just too far away.
2 posted on 03/17/2012 3:21:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Personal family funny. My grandmother and her family fled Egypt when she was a baby —late 1880’s —the family is/was Coptic Christian. Most of the family converted to Catholicism when they got here.

When we had mandatory “diversity training” at work and the moderator asked about our “orgins” I said I was African American. Of course she blanched. I explained about my Grandmother’s immigration and I snarkily said I was closer to the “motherland” than most of the other folks there who claimed to be AA. I wanted to make the point that being of “African” descent should not be a code word for “black”...

Heh...my officemate at the time, who is black, always cackled when I said I was more “AA” than she was... I’m fishbelly white :-)

Pat


3 posted on 03/17/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by duckbutt (Those who pay no taxes have no check on their appetite for services.)
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To: duckbutt
Hahaha, good one.
It IS true.
Also, those white South Africans who immigrate to the USA and become citizens here are African Americans too.
4 posted on 03/17/2012 3:41:02 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: duckbutt
had a friend (Andrew) from South Africa, he was born there
(had a very British perfect accent :) an white guy.. "Well, I'm African,too."...to some "AA / Blacks" @ the local University..really p !ssed 'em off.

5 posted on 03/17/2012 3:43:06 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: cloudmountain

But would those African Americans from South Africa be entitled to affirmative action benefits?


6 posted on 03/17/2012 3:45:28 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: duckbutt
had a friend (Andrew) from South Africa; he was white & born there.
(had a very British perfect accent :)
"Well, I'm African,too."...to some "AA / Blacks" @ the local University..
it really p!ssed 'em off... they got over it (eventually).

7 posted on 03/17/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Rest in Peace, Pope Shenuda. Memory eternal.


8 posted on 03/17/2012 3:57:01 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Rest in Peace, Pope Shenuda. Memory eternal.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 3:57:12 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: firebasecody
umm... sorry, about the double post. :-O

10 posted on 03/17/2012 4:00:10 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: duckbutt
umm... sorry, about the double post. :-O

11 posted on 03/17/2012 4:02:16 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: cloudmountain

The Copts are not in communion with Rome and, if I’m not mistaken, are Monophysites, which is a matter of fundamental doctrine that would have to be cleared up first.

That said, they’re about the bravest Christians on earth to have held out against Muslim oppression and terrorism for fifteen hundred years.

Pope Shenouda, RIP.


12 posted on 03/17/2012 4:38:03 PM PDT by Argus
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To: marshmallow

RIP.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Argus
The Coptic Church and the Ethiopian Christians are Monophysites. Ethiopia was converted by people coming from Egypt or Nubia (Nubia was Christian until the late Middle Ages).

I heard Pope Shenouda III speak when he was on a tour of the US, many years ago. He was very impressive.

I think when he first became the leader of the Coptic Church Newsweek had a snarky article about him trying to make him out to be some kind of wacko or clown.

14 posted on 03/19/2012 3:19:35 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: duckbutt

“Afrocentrists” like to claim that the ancient Egyptians were black, so that the pyramids and all the other Egyptian accomplishments are the achievements of black people.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 3:23:01 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: marshmallow; familyop; onedoug; Quix; magritte; Kimmers; oswegodeee; navygal; hlmencken3; ...
Pope Shenouda, like the leaders of the other Middle Eastern churches, was fanatically anti-Israel. It didn't matter that both Copts and Israelis were victimized by moslems.

Shenouda supported the "palestinians" as "brother Arabs" and opposed even Anwar Sadat's loaded "peace" with Israel, preferring the hard-line position. He even forbade Copts from going to Jerusalem on pilgrimage until there was a "peace agreement" because Israel was "occupied moslem and chr*stian land."

I know most philo-Semitic American chr*stians are in love with Middle Eastern chr*stians (they're so "authentic" and the muzzies are persecuting them!), but Middle Eastern chr*stians are not the friends of Israel, Jews, or America. I'm sorry that's the way it is, but that's the way it is.

Pope Shenouda III on Israel according to Wikipedia

Whoever his successor is, he will be just as bad.

16 posted on 03/19/2012 4:44:02 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Whoever his successor is, he will be just as bad."

Are you actually surprised that any Christian denomination or sect is not in complete communion with ultra-orthodox Judaism or that an Egyptian citizen is not a fan of the secular Israeli government?

17 posted on 03/19/2012 4:59:15 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
Are you actually surprised that any Christian denomination or sect is not in complete communion with ultra-orthodox Judaism or that an Egyptian citizen is not a fan of the secular Israeli government?

Not at all. I'm surprised at the poor saps among Jews and American chr*stians who shout their lungs out for people who hate them.

Although when you consider the Copts, as victims of islam, could have allied with the Israelis but instead attack them, you get the idea of an ancient hatred so great that it is literally beyond the comprehension of most Americans of any faith.

All you pro-Israel chr*stians out there: this is what real, historical chr*stianity looks like.

18 posted on 03/19/2012 5:04:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"All you pro-Israel chr*stians out there: this is what real, historical chr*stianity looks like."

Would you care to share with us who the first Christian martyrs were killed by (i.e.; St. Stephen) and how the early Christian Church was treated by the Jews (i.e.; Saul of Tarsus)? Perhaps there really is some baggage and history behind this 2,000 year old feud that needs to be aired our.

19 posted on 03/19/2012 5:11:26 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
Would you care to share with us who the first Christian martyrs were killed by (i.e.; St. Stephen) and how the early Christian Church was treated by the Jews (i.e.; Saul of Tarsus)? Perhaps there really is some baggage and history behind this 2,000 year old feud that needs to be aired our.

Not at all. They were killed because they were Jews who violated the Torah and were duly executed in accordance with the laws of that Torah (which G-d Himself had given to Moses and Israel at Mt. Sinai). That is, assuming any of those accounts in the "new testament" is even true to begin with.

20 posted on 03/19/2012 5:21:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"...you get the idea of an ancient hatred so great that it is literally beyond the comprehension of most Americans of any faith."

Which is recently seen more often. Well said. The Rebbe was right.


21 posted on 03/19/2012 5:34:13 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Not at all."

Thank you for being a living testament to the necessity of Jesus' ministry.

22 posted on 03/19/2012 5:38:34 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Thanks, ZC. I wasn’t aware of this.

All the Best to You and Yours.


23 posted on 03/19/2012 5:38:48 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Thanks for the info. Sobering.


24 posted on 03/19/2012 7:42:46 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Natural Law
Thank you for being a living testament to the necessity of Jesus' ministry.

You're welcome. Thank you for being a living testament to the necessity of the ministries of Mohammed, Guru Nanak, Joseph Smith, . . .

25 posted on 03/20/2012 8:43:37 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Quix
Thanks for the info. Sobering.

While Middle Eastern chr*stians do indeed live a precarious existence, it's hard for me to feel sorry for them. They always blame Israel and never blame the moslems (except perhaps for the chr*stians of southern Lebanon under Sa'ad Haddad). How many American chr*stians are aware that chr*stian Lebanon was one of the countries that invaded Israel in '48 to destroy it at birth?

Stupid secular Zionists think Middle Eastern chr*stians are a combination of Thomas Jefferson and John Hagee, while American Fundamentalist Protestants think they're the "original Jewish Southern Baptists." They are not. Unlike the "restored" religion of American Fundamentalist Protestants, authentic ancient historical chr*stianity really does have a deep and abiding hatred of Judaism (and Jews).

This isn't what people want to hear, but it's true.

26 posted on 03/20/2012 8:49:18 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Tetelestai!


27 posted on 03/20/2012 8:55:31 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"They were killed because they were Jews who violated the Torah and were duly executed in accordance with the laws of that Torah (which God Himself had given to Moses and Israel at Mt. Sinai)."

Barabas! Barabas! Barabas!

28 posted on 03/20/2012 8:57:02 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
"They were killed because they were Jews who violated the Torah and were duly executed in accordance with the laws of that Torah (which God Himself had given to Moses and Israel at Mt. Sinai)."

Barabas! Barabas! Barabas!

If the Torah does not allow for chr*stianity, then chr*stianity is illicit. Either that or you have to disown the Torah altogether.

Hmm. How do you know this "Barabas" ever existed? Maybe he's ancient Babylonian or Canaanite mythology. Have you consulted your local scientist to get his permission to believe such a person actually lived?

29 posted on 03/20/2012 9:21:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"If the Torah does not allow for chr*stianity, then chr*stianity is illicit. Either that or you have to disown the Torah altogether."

Do you believe that all Jewish converts to Christianity should be stoned to death?

30 posted on 03/20/2012 9:26:29 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"If the Torah does not allow for chr*stianity, then chr*stianity is illicit. Either that or you have to disown the Torah altogether."

Jesus was predicted over 450 times in the Old Testament. It would seem to me that those who reject Him are the ones rejecting the the Torah.

32 posted on 03/20/2012 10:50:20 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

The ones who ACCEPT him are the ones who are rejecting the Torah.


33 posted on 03/21/2012 4:24:27 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I didn’t know that. Thank you for the informative post.


34 posted on 04/13/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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