Skip to comments.Are Mitt Romney’s Mormon beliefs something we should worry about?
Posted on 03/22/2012 7:53:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: The Mormons famously put their heresy this way: As man is now, God once was. As God is now, man may become.
Lds "prophet" Lorenzo Snow is the one who delivered this doctrinal couplet into the hands of Mormons. But he was merely giving a succinct version of the doctrine promoted by Joseph Smith in 1844...from the King Follett sermon.
But let's "Personalize" this couplet: Mormons essentially believe the following: As Mitt Romney is now, God once was. As God is now, Mitt Romney may become.
NOW do you understand the blasphemy a bit better?
Or how about this application of Mormon doctrine? As Harry Reid is now, God once was. As God is now, Harry Reid may become.
I hope all the people who could not vote for Newt, because of his past transgressions, have a good view from their moral high ground to watch Romney lose to Obama.
Man, I feel sorry for the people who'll be on Harry's planet! How'd you like to worship THIS?
It’s inevitable that team Obama would start in on his mormonism and pulls the racist card.
If the man can’t break free some something as demonstrably false as mormonism, what kind of president would he make?
Then Mormonism will magically become the primary issue.
Romneys a mormon?
Romney is a mormon?
Better to worry about Hairy Reed’s Mormon beliefs.
At least he wouldn’t need a third airplane for his dog when he goes traveling. Mormons don’t consider dogs unclean.
At least he wouldn’t need a third airplane for his dog when he goes traveling. Mormons don’t consider dogs unclean.
WE SHOULD QUESTION CANDIDATES RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
"Answer the gentleman, Thomas -- don't be afraid."
Tom still hung fire. "Now I know you'll tell me," said the lady. "The names of the first two disciples were --"
"David and Goliath!"
Let us draw the curtain of charity over this scene.
From "Tom Sawyer in Sunday School" by Mark Twain.
Like what? I'm beside myself on how to resolve this whole mess . Nobody seems to have what it would take to galvanize enough people to remove the tentacles so deep in this political system they abuse.
A visit from a very nice pair of Mormon young men got me to reading about the religion as well. I concluded the same thing you did, that it is a fake religion made up by a really strange guy. Good for you for figuring it out. I have doubts about Romney because HE hasn’t figured it out yet. I will vote for him but I won’t be happy about it.
Romney being our nominee, is something we should be worried about.
No, Willard would just stick the dog in a crate and put it on top of the plane.
I’m with you. We have a Muslim, a Catholic, and a Mormon. That’s all I’m gonna say...
There is such a person that is madly fearer by establishment Republicans.
That person is Sarah Palin, and she's playing her Republican nominee capability quite wisely.
Just my opinion ... Go Sarah!
OBEY AND PAY OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Romney isn’t going to use his Mormonism to go after black people. That’s how Obama and Jones think about the white, but not Romney.
This from the same people who give credence to Farakhan’s fairy tale of the Mothership.
There are only two cults I worry about: Muslims and Mormons, as both were started by child-molesting murderers that subject women to harsh teatments. Both cults were started for power and sex.
Sorry...but if you think you can become a god, you're not being honest with yourself. And if you can't be honest with yourself, who can you be honest to?
As for being "good citizens," hey, if you were auditioning for full-blown godhood, you'd be on your best behavior, too!
As "goofy" as Mormon theology is it will not cause Romney to hurt the American people...Romney's failings are personal; i.e. lack of core political beliefs.
Sorry...but if in 2016 YOU entered the POTUS race...and declared privately plus indirectly (publicly) that you were in a "god in embryo" on your way to full-grown godhood, that would be rather telling in a # of ways:
(1) That you would have a very basic core personal identity crisis issue at hand -- you don't even know your nature and would-be nature.
(2) That you would have a horrific character flaw...and no, that character flaw wouldn't stop at the sheer pride and hubris of thinking you were on your way to being worshiped and prayed to by other beings.
(3) That you would have a HUGE basic discernment problem. You might do just fine as local "dog catcher" with that discernment issue; but THE leader of the free world?
Have Mitt Romney’s mormon beliefs ever negatively impacted anything he’s ever accompished or promoted? It’s a headline for stupid people to ingest. -MKS
Have Mitt Romney’s mormon beliefs ever negatively impacted anything he’s ever accompished or promoted? It’s a headline for stupid people to ingest. -Wb
Reid and Romney are both temple mormons, they beleive and swear to the same things.
Both have received awards for being good examples of what it is to be a mormon.
Their core is the same.
They are who they are because of mormonism not in spite of it.
As a former mormon, you should know then that Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it, as all mormons as high in the corporation as Romney.
Before you dismiss mormonism, you should learn what it is.
Romney is as high in the lds corporation as one can go without being one of the “12”.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
Listen. I'm a descendent from Mormons. Pre-1978 -- the year they made their change "official" re: blacks -- I didn't see them "go after black people" then, either.
What I have observed is the Mormon tendency to exclude blacks due to race. Let me give you some Mormon leader quotes as examples:
While there was no restriction on blacks joining the LDS Church, there was no direct effort to evangelize them. Apostle Bruce McConkie, writing in 1958, declared: Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them . . . Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned . . . (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, Bookcraft, 1958 edition, p. 477; changed in later editions). William E. Berrett, Vice Administrator of the Brigham Young University, explained: "...no direct efforts have been made to proselyte among them" (Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart, supplement by William E. Berrett, Horizon, 1978, part 2, p. 65).
Source + for more on this and the Mormon culture toward other races, see: Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church Part Three [Martin Luther King & Malcolm X 'Mormons?']
Romney is already an exclusionary kind of guy...he's already gone on record saying he wouldn't put a Muslim on his Cabinet: Remember when Romney said he wouldnt put a Muslim in the cabinet? He made his Mormonism relevant
And if Romney could/can make such political decisions on the basis of somebody's religion (just as most FREEPERS would be wary of a Muslim POTUS candidate), why do Mormons somehow think that religion is suddenly "irrelevant?"
Romney was 31 in 1978. For his first 13 adult years, not a seeming "peep" over the Mormon church's exclusionary doctrines, beliefs & tactics.
That tells me that Romney will just "go along" with whatever his leaders tell him (to do)...or NOT (to do).
So, you actually have it backwards: It's not...
...Romney using his Mormonism to necessarily do anything.
Instead, one of the threats is...
...Mormonism (more specifically, his "prophet"...
...somebody we probably don't even know much about...'cause we could be talking about 2016 or 2019)...
...using Romney to...[fill in the blank]
You won’t get a straight answer from the anth-Mormons about that. There will be, however, talk of a White Horse that Romney may be riding on at some point.
Also, there will be a heapin helping of anti-Mormon spam soon to follow, complete with fancy fonts and BOLD print and maybe some nice pictures.
My advice to you: run !!!!
Both left and right are going to ream Etch-A-Sketch a new one as soon as he gets the nomination. He was never vetted by Republicans on the Mormon cult issue, this will haunt us.
I am speaking empirically upon my personal experience with Mormons. You are speaking theoretically. For example, the Ancient Greek and Roman theology was silly and was recognized as such by their own thinkers. However, there were many ancient Greeks and Romans who were fine people some of them left writings that we read today as good examples. Many Mormon beliefs are absolutely silly as you frequently point out yet in some way Mormons are generally good folks.
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,
"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.
According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
It appears that you are a PROPHET!!!
You may want to check your closet to see if there is a MORMON skeleton there.
Nice question; but, it appears to be the WRONG one.
Has MORMONism ever butted heads against the United States Government?
Well so far Palin hasn’t united the people beind Newt...who is the very best we have. So how much clout she has now is obviously questionable. I wish it were not so but her impact has fizzled. The only one Obama’s responding to is Newt....and of recent Romney as he’s moved up.
Where in my post did I even say ANYTHING about Romney's Mormon beliefs?
Have you NOTHING positive to say about being a NOAHIDE?
Please tell us just WHY The Seven Laws of Noah are SO much better than the Ten Laws of MOSES.
We seem to be having trouble with that a lot as a country. Vetting that is.
It appears that you have access to Indianapolis' own Gary Varvel!!