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Vying Factions For Petrus Romanus Highlighted, Unknown Reasons May Keep Benedict On Past April
Raiders News Network ^ | 3/28/2012 | Steve Eastman

Posted on 03/28/2012 3:05:17 PM PDT by sreastman

At The Vatican: Vying Factions For Petrus Romanus Highlighted, Unknown Reasons May Keep Benedict On Past April

by Steve Eastman, Raiders News Network

One thing we may be certain of is that Benedict XVI is the next to the last Pope in St. Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes. And both those who speak openly of his successor as Petrus Romanus and those who don’t, can’t help thinking about the upcoming Conclave. No date has been announced since Benedict has neither died nor resigned, but that did not stop the "National Catholic Reporter" from featuring Papal Transition as a top story.

The article by John Allen starts by discussing the pontiff’s age. Benedict turns 85 on April 16th, which would make him the oldest Pope in 109 years and only one of six in the last 500 years to reach that age while still in office. Then Allen turns to perceived leadership problems and quotes Italian newspaper columnist, Galli della Loggia, who argues for "further strengthening of the role of the pontiff," preventing it from being "conditioned" by the personal rivalries and careerist ambitions of a handful of figures at the top of the system. Current events from this past week highlight the existence of these agendas.

The closing of the Vatican bank account by JP Morgan Chase was a long time coming, but not generally expected. According to "Il Sole" newspaper, the Vatican bank “had failed to provide sufficient information on money transfers.” Reportedly, 1.5 billion euros passed through the account in eighteen months. The closing comes at a time when the Vatican is trying to make the European Union’s (EU) “white list” of institutions meeting its transparency rules, especially in regard to money laundering policies. The Holy See tried to rein in the situation a couple years ago and was looking forward to a clean bill of financial health from the EU, possibly in May. Reuter’s columnist Pierre Briançon added to the embarrassment with the statement that “The Holy See’s financial arm has been seeking absolution for past sins for two years, but remains reluctant to confess to what it did wrong.”

An even more extreme example of Vatican leadership pulling in different directions came back into the spotlight this past week as reporters looked for another angle to cover the Pope’s trip to Mexico. Actually, they didn’t have to look too far. Former Mexican priest, Jose Barba, is co-author of a new book that claims Vatican officials knew for years that the founder of a religious order, the Legion of Christ, was a pedophile and drug addict. Barba says the book — "The Will not to Know" — is based on 212 documents in a Vatican archive. It seems the Church received the first complaint against Reverend Marcial Maciel in 1944. Barba, and other former seminarians instigated a church trial against Maciel in 1998, accusing him of sex abuse. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who’s now Benedict XVI, was in charge of the office that received their complaint. It took eight years for Maciel to be sanctioned, and he enjoyed John Paul II’s favor during that time. Benedict says it took two years for him to learn the nature of the allegations. Fox News puts it this way, “…with the Vatican's very decentralized fiefdoms, it's not surprising that accusations that may have landed in one official's hands were never forwarded on ….” CatholicCulture.org is quick to point out, “it was Pope Benedict who pressed for disciplinary action against Maciel, eventually overcoming resistance by other Vatican officials.”

A third example of Vatican leadership pulling in opposite directions this past week involves stem cell research. The Vatican’s Pontifical Academy for Life was scheduled to host a scientific conference on the subject April 25th – 28th. The proposal raised some eyebrows in both the scientific and Catholic communities because the Church has long opposed the use of cells culled from the destruction of embryos, supplying the most common form of stem cell research. But the flexible cells, which can generate over 200 types of human tissue, may also be taken from an adult donor or from placentas or umbilical cords. The conference was scheduled to feature embryonic stem cell researchers including Alan Trounson, of the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine, and John Wagner, of the University of Minnesota’s Stem Cell Institute. Academy officials had said this was okay because the researchers were also experts in adult stem cells. This past week the conference was cancelled. An Academy member attributes this to “directives coming from a higher level of the Curia.” This is especially strange since, according to the brochure, Pope Benedict XVI was scheduled to meet with participants at the concluding event on April 28th.

There is a second significance to the Pope’s planned appearance that is echoed in another recent news story. Benedict apparently plans to remain in office past his 85th birthday on April 16th, despite conjecture that he might step down then. The other story, originally appearing in the Italian newspaper "La Stampa" and repeated in UCAnews.com, discusses the Pope’s interest in visiting East Asia. The news sources quote Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, as saying the Pope “has often thought about a trip to Asia and examined the possibility of visiting those Asian countries where he has often been invited and that he deeply loves.” Bertone adds, “Naturally, traveling in Asia is demanding, but it has not been ruled out a priori.” Since a papal visit takes much preparation, it is difficult to see how a trip to Asia could occur before Benedict’s birthday.

There is still plenty of time for Petrus Romanus, the final Pope, to make his appearance on the world stage before the end of the year, as seems likely from a multitude of indicators. We may also be sure there will be a lot of manipulation behind the scenes from various factions in the lead-up to his appearance.

© 2012 Raiders News Network


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bloggersandpersonal; intrigue; pope; stemcells; vanity

1 posted on 03/28/2012 3:05:26 PM PDT by sreastman
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To: sreastman

“One thing we may be certain of is that Benedict XVI is the next to the last Pope in St. Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes.”

Whoever thinks that is a moron.


2 posted on 03/28/2012 3:17:27 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

So ou think the entire list is a fraud?


3 posted on 03/28/2012 3:20:37 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: sreastman

What is the National Catholic Reporter? Reputable? Or not.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 3:23:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: sreastman

What in the world is this author writing?

Popes do not resign.

Vying factions???

LOL!


5 posted on 03/28/2012 3:30:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LukeL

The latter part of the list seems to be a fraud but sometimes even hoaxes can have some truth to them, if even by accident.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 3:30:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: DManA

regretably, the National Catholic Reporter is stuffed full of dissident liberals. It went off the rails many years ago.

There are some loose wheels in the Vatican, as in any other human organization or government. But they do pretty well, all things considered. The Catholic Church has something like three times as many members as the U.S. has citizens. But how does the Vatican compare in size and expense to the U.S. government? Of course complaints sometimes get lost or take time to settle.


7 posted on 03/28/2012 3:31:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LukeL
St. Malachy's prophecy, misread?
Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
A POPE DESCRIBED AS 'FROM THE SUN' WAS BORN DURING ECLIPSE AND LEAVES WITH ONE
RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)
8 posted on 03/28/2012 3:41:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Yea but the death rate amongst 85 year old guys is pretty steep (may he live long in good health).


9 posted on 03/28/2012 3:41:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: sauropod

read


10 posted on 03/28/2012 3:48:58 PM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: LukeL

There’s no evidence its genuine.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 3:49:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: sreastman
As with JPII the lefties are trying to conjure the Pope into dying. An hour from now would not be soon enough. They cannot understand that G_d is not going to permit the Church to disintegrate into another modernist NGO. That is because the lefty Catholics do not really believe there is any G_d at all, at least not one that is not obedient to their ơwn demands for what G_d should be.
12 posted on 03/28/2012 3:52:38 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: DManA

NCR is a Leftist outfit that uses the Church as a cover and vehicle for their belief that they can fashion an earthly Utopia if only that damnable Magisterium and that holdover reactionary pope can just be pushed aside.


13 posted on 03/28/2012 3:57:01 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: sreastman

This kook conspiracy stuff is ridiculous.... just an abettor in Obama’s war against the church.
Does all your info and sources come from the Da Vinci Code?
300,000 Roman Catholic Cubans packed into “Revolution” Square in Havana to hear Pope Benedict speak.


14 posted on 03/28/2012 3:58:33 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Salvation

Of course they have.


15 posted on 03/28/2012 3:59:27 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: vladimir998

“There’s no evidence its genuine.”

There’s no evidence its fake.


16 posted on 03/28/2012 3:59:43 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RinaseaofDs; vladimir998
it's

it's

17 posted on 03/28/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Theoria

Only in the ancient past.

I think the Church looks on Popes these days as serving until they die.


18 posted on 03/28/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Actually there is some evidence.

There is, for instance, no trace of it historically from the time it supposedly was written until it showed up centuries later.


19 posted on 03/28/2012 4:08:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: sreastman

20 posted on 03/28/2012 4:15:42 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: vladimir998

It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall. The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected. Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.

Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.

It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!”

Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Salvation
What in the world is this author writing?
Popes do not resign.
Vying factions???
LOL!

There's another way of leaving.

There has been a rumor/meme that I have heard floating around recently among the fringe dispensationalist conspiracy theorists that this pope will be assassinated.

22 posted on 03/28/2012 4:42:02 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: RinaseaofDs

You wrote:

“It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall.”

No, it is said by some to have sat in the archive for that length of time. There is no evidence it was written in the 12th century. There’s no evidence it sat in the archive for 400 years. There is no evidence it existed before being published.

“The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected.”

False. There was no “thinking” about it that anyone has any proof of. There is not a single mentioning of the document until about the time it was published.

“Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.”

Sorry, you’re wrong again. What you’re doing is passing on a jibe at Cardinal Spellman who supposedly rented the boat and flock in 1958. It’s a joke - either one he played, or one someone played on him.

“Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.”

Benedict is not an Olivetan. He was never a member of a religious order. He was a diocesan priest and bishop only.

“It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!” Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.”

Nope. The next pope might call himself Peter - incredibly unlikely actually - but it will have nothing to do with any supposed prophecies of Malachy since they are consistently wrong after 1590 - just a few years before the document was published! In other words, someone forged it around 1590.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 4:44:48 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Salvation

They have not in our lifetime, but yes, Popes have resigned or abdicated.


24 posted on 03/28/2012 5:47:15 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Salvation

They have not in our lifetime, but yes, Popes have resigned or abdicated.


25 posted on 03/28/2012 5:47:30 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’

Pope Benedict is not an Olivetan. The Olivetans are a branch of the Benedictines. Pope Benedict is not a Benedictine, either (he was a diocesan priest before he was elevated to the episcopacy). The only connection he has with the Olivetans is the name he chose for his papacy. That's pretty tenuous. It's also after-the-fact, like Paul VI's coat of arms reflecting his "prophecy," "Flos Florum".

The "St. Malachy" prophecy almost certainly wasn't written by St. Malachy. It's unknown before 1595 (St. Malachy died in 1148). Not surprisingly, the "prophecies" before 1595 are dead-ringers.

Most of those after 1595 have at best a coincidental relationship to the Pope they are supposed to describe, though I'll grant that some of them are spooky -- "Religio depopulata" for Benedict XVI, Pope during WW I, and "de labore Solis" for JP2, a Pope closely linked to Fatima and its solar miracle.

26 posted on 03/28/2012 6:10:51 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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28 posted on 03/28/2012 8:20:56 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Lee N. Field

The assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II was foretold. I have heard it said that Pope Benedict XVI might have to rule in exile.

(Which makes me wonder about end times — but I don’t want to hijack the thread.)


29 posted on 03/28/2012 8:59:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sreastman
Funny how as the date for some prediction nears the conspiracy and dispensationalist crowd always seem to "discover" a sub-plot within the plot they dreamed up or some sort of "exception" they've overlooked (oh yeah, that was only recently "revealed").

It's also funny how dispensationalists who refuse to accept the Christian canon of the OT because, like the Pharisees and Luther, they don't want to accept what is taught in them turn around and recommend books like Enoch and Jubilees as containing insights that are convenient for their conspiracy theories.

What kind of dolts decry the Christian canon out of one side of their mouths and recommend Enoch out of the other?

Why, the sort that rely on The Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation of course !!

What are the odds that without much effort you could find a link between the site this article is pimping, the company pushing survivalist gear on this site, and the Comic Book Author Who Cannot Be Named?

30 posted on 03/28/2012 9:11:36 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin
Funny how as the date for some prediction nears the conspiracy and dispensationalist crowd always seem to "discover" a sub-plot within the plot they dreamed up or some sort of "exception" they've overlooked (oh yeah, that was only recently "revealed").

And funny how quickly someone's wild idea speculation turned into a popular book becomes received truth. "We've always believed this." Riiiight.

It's also funny how dispensationalists who refuse to accept the Christian canon of the OT because, like the Pharisees and Luther, they don't want to accept what is taught in them turn around and recommend books like Enoch and Jubilees as containing insights that are convenient for their conspiracy theories.

I've got a couple podcasts I listen to, because they're sometimes interesting. And as often, "oh come on, people!".

"Raiders News Service" is part of this school of thought.

"Flying saucers over out cities!" "Comet Elenin!"

31 posted on 03/29/2012 6:05:41 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: RinaseaofDs

That makes no sense. Pope Peter is supposed to be evil. If anything I would think the next Pope would deliberately AVOID the name Peter.


32 posted on 03/29/2012 9:06:15 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked;
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where’s the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?


33 posted on 03/29/2012 9:11:40 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: DManA

Did you check the original site. The site will have classical anti- catholic books and material but will take the word of a saint catholic legendary myth to use against Catholics. Lol!!!


34 posted on 03/29/2012 9:20:30 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

The Peter meme is out there. I can’t imagine the next Pope playing into it by taking the name Peter.


35 posted on 03/29/2012 9:25:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Neither can I see that happening.


36 posted on 03/29/2012 10:00:50 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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