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(NY Cardinal) Dolan: ‘We Can’t Back Down’ (Appears on the O'Reilly Factor)
NRO ^ | March 29, 2012 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 03/29/2012 10:10:54 AM PDT by NYer

Discussing the HHS contraception/sterilization/abortion-mandate debate during an interview that partially aired on The O’Reilly Factor last night, Timothy Cardinal Dolan, Catholic bishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said: “Our opponents are very shrewd because they have chosen an issue that they know we are not very popular on and that is why . . . we have to be very vigorous in insisting that this is not about contraception, its about religious freedom. 

He went on to say: 

And I dont want to judge people, but I think there would be a drift in the administration that this is a good issue and if we can divide the Catholic community — because its already divided — and if one can caricature the bishops as being hopelessly out of touch these bullies who are trying to achieve judicially and legislatively what theyve been unable to achieve because their moral integrity has been compromised recently. There is that force out there trying to caricature us, all right? But we cant back down from this fight because its about religious freedom, its close to the very heart of what the democratic enterprise what we know and love as the United States of America is all about. 

Cardinal Dolan took on the mainstream worldview that insists the faithful be on the margins of civic life: “To think that theres a Berlin wall between ones religious convictions and ones political activities is crazy; its ludicrous. Its not only non-Catholic, non-Christian, non-Biblical, its also un-American.

“Every great movement in American history has been driven by people of religious conviction,” Dolan said.And if we duct-tape the churches Im just not talking about the Catholic Church — if we duct-tape the role of religion and the churches and morally convinced people in the marketplace, thats going to lead to a huge deficit, a huge void. And there are many people who want to fill it up — namely, a new religion called secularism which would be as doctrinaire and would consider itself as infallible as they caricature the other religions doing. So to see that morally driven, religiously convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, I think that is not only at the heart of Biblical religion, its at the heart of the American enterprise.” 

As a recent statement from the bishops made clear, they are in this fight for the very principle of religious freedom, not some kind of special privilege, or accommodation. 

Video here

 



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
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1 posted on 03/29/2012 10:10:56 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/29/2012 10:12:14 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

My only complaint with the interview was at the end. Archbishop Dolan, your congregations get angry with the bishops when they jump into cultural debates on the side of the liberals (healthcare, immigration, et al)... essentially elevating social justice to the highest truth.

We are waiting with bated breath, however, for the bishops to look at the Democratic party as an enterprise and point out that they support intrinsic evil in their party platform (abortion, embryonic stem cell research and homosexual marriage). The problem is that the bishops find it easy to go along with popular culture in the fights of the day but don’t have the guts to stand up for the solid cultural truths.

So... ARCHBISHOP DOLAN, PLEASE STAND UP WITH ONE VOICE WITH YOUR FELLOW BISHOPS AND DENOUNCE THE EVIL THAT IS THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

You march for life, support traditional marriage and fight the mandate... big deal. When the Catholics of this country remove their support for the Democrats (a 28% voting block) until they quit supporting evil... THEN we will have real change. Until then, it’s all just smoke and mirrors.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 10:31:03 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
So... ARCHBISHOP DOLAN, PLEASE STAND UP WITH ONE VOICE WITH YOUR FELLOW BISHOPS AND DENOUNCE THE EVIL THAT IS THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I am a Republican and a Catholic.
For Archbishop Dolan to denounce the "current Democratic party" as evil would be evil of Archbishop Dolan. Your very broad paintbrush misses the point.

The Democrat health mandate is EVIL. The idea is evil but that doesn't make an entire group of several million people evil. The female who aborts and the doctor who performs the abortions are doing EVIL acts but that still doesn't necessarily make them evil people.

Satan is evil. I can think of some individuals who are evil, but an ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY? I wouldn't be so arrogant as to condemn the entire entity, though some IN THAT PARTY are evil.

4 posted on 03/29/2012 10:57:03 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Name one good thing about the democratic party.


5 posted on 03/29/2012 11:03:26 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Name one good thing about the democratic party.

1. It makes the GOP look so sane, normal and centrist.

6 posted on 03/29/2012 11:30:45 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

The ENTIRE Dem “Party” is EVIL! Oh and a great many RINOs are evil too!


7 posted on 03/29/2012 11:31:58 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

2. It drove ME to become a Republican back in the Clinton era.


8 posted on 03/29/2012 11:32:00 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
3. It gave us ZELL MILLER. I will never forget his support of George W. Bush. A lifetime dyed-in-the-wool Dixie Democrat went to the GOP convention, stood up and spoke for Bush.
Man, that took some guts. Backbone of tempered steel.
Thank you Zell Miller.
9 posted on 03/29/2012 11:35:22 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: A.A. Cunningham
4. It gave us the "Breck girl"--John Edwards.
Hahahahaha, I got LOTS of laughs from him.
10 posted on 03/29/2012 11:38:24 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: pgyanke

In agreement!

Lots of Catholic talk about our political parties as always presented as a theoretical, but as Democratic and Republican politics havent shifted since 1980. The choices are and have been clear. The ‘culture of death’, and ‘the dictatorship of relativism’ are goals pursued by the democratic party. Unfortunately it can be said that the Republican party, has served as nothing less than a bad doorstop to a door that is swinging toward wide open. But the choices are clear.


11 posted on 03/29/2012 11:39:53 AM PDT by RBStealth
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To: NYer
“To think that there’s a Berlin wall between one’s religious convictions and one’s political activities is crazy; it’s ludicrous. It’s not only non-Catholic, non-Christian, non-Biblical, it’s also un-American.”

Amen, Brother!!! Preach it!

12 posted on 03/29/2012 11:40:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cloudmountain

You’re obtuse, at best.


13 posted on 03/29/2012 11:43:55 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The Dems made the following Churchill axiom so true.
If at 21 you're not liberal (Democrat) you have no soul. If at 41 you're not conservative (GOP) you have no brains.
14 posted on 03/29/2012 11:53:14 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Read the Democratic Party platform before you hit me with relativistic platitudes.

There are five issues considered ‘intrinsic evil’ by the Catholic Church when voting... abortion, embryonic stem cell research, homosexual marriage, euthanasia and cloning. The Democratic Party platform has open advocacy for three out of the five. Although the other two intrinsic evils are not enumerated in their platform, the Democrats support them (death panels anyone?).

There is no reason any Catholic should support such an organization and no reason the Catholic bishops should be silent while their sheep give 50% or more of their vote to such an organization. The political party of Satan could hardly be worse. Certainly, the Church wouldn’t stay silent if the Satanic Party gained prominence in our elections... but in a way, they already are...


15 posted on 03/29/2012 11:55:33 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I won't stoop to the insult level because that is NOT ALLOWED on this site. You stoop, but apparently that is who you are.

But then I consider YOUR IDEAS just plain tired, old, boring....and STOOPid.

16 posted on 03/29/2012 11:56:52 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
The Cardinal informed the faithful - via another dispatch to local parshes - that the Church's credibility in the discussions stems from the fact that "the Catholic Church has been advocating for universal healthcare for nearly a hundred years."

I believe a lawyer would call that "a rebuttable premise."

17 posted on 03/29/2012 12:19:26 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (tick..tick..tick...)
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To: pgyanke

Dream on. Cardinal Dolan is a “staunch union supporter” (”my father was a union man” - he declared on his arrival to NYC) and IMHO a Kennedy Catholic. Died-in-the-wool.


18 posted on 03/29/2012 12:24:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (tick..tick..tick...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I mean “dyed”.


19 posted on 03/29/2012 12:26:00 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (tick..tick..tick...)
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To: cloudmountain

Dolan is correct here.

Are you aware that abortion is a plank of the demoncratic (misspelling on purpose) party?

They advocate killing babies.

Previous dimocratic (also spelled wrong on purpose) need to regain their wits and reasoning and vote Republican for life!

Note — I didn’t say vote Romney — he supports abortion and has flip-flopped on the issue numerous times.

Again, Cardinal Dolan is correct about the evil in the dims.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 3:21:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Too bad abortion is a world-wide event.
China makes women get abortions after their first baby, be it a girl or boy.
When India got hold of the amneocentisis test, they aborted girl babies like there was no tomorrow. I understand that in BOTH China and India the male population is skewed way up out of proportion. Not enough women to go around. I THOUGHT that might increase the value of women, generally speaking. It didn't in China.

Do you remember the "zero population" drive of the 1970's here in the states? I do. Those folks wanted people to feel GUILTY for having more than one child.

21 posted on 03/29/2012 9:02:37 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
Yes, I remember that zero population thing. I read once that all the people in the United States could be put into the state of Texas and still have leftover room. LOL!

Here's a great quote to ask those people.

Chesterton on birth control/population control:

In 1925 Chesterton wrote an introduction to Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol in which he said that “The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.”


22 posted on 03/29/2012 9:24:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I remember that line from the Christmas Carol. My husband and I watched the George C. Scott version EVERY year. Great version of a wonderful book.

There IS no "surplus population." We are all here on earth for God's Plan. I sometimes wonder about ... oh, never mind. :o)

23 posted on 03/30/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: the invisib1e hand

Ya Know..There was a time in this country that Unions were an important force for good...(40 hr work week, paid vacations and against child labor etc etc etc)


24 posted on 03/30/2012 9:56:09 AM PDT by ConservativeNewYorker (FDNY 343 NYPD 23 PAPD 37)
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To: ConservativeNewYorker

Not during the Cardinal’s lifetime.


25 posted on 03/30/2012 11:07:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (... ... ... ...)
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