Skip to comments.Hemings and Jefferson Together Forever? Troubling cases of Mormon “proxy sealing.”
Posted on 03/30/2012 7:44:55 PM PDT by Colofornian
Thomas Jeffersons most famous slave, and the mother of several of the third American presidents children, died in 1835...We dont know when news of Joseph Smiths... religious movement reached...where Sally Hemings spent most of her 62 years, as a house servant and eventually as Jeffersons paramour. But even if Mormon missionaries had come to Monticello during Hemings lifetime, they would, per the instructions of Smith himself, have worked first to convert the masters, and only thenwith the masters permissionthe slaves.
Hemings chance to become a Mormon came much later, in a Mormon temple in Mesa, Ariz., 13 years after the church lifted the ban on full membership for people of African descent. On April 21, 1991, two members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints entered a baptismal font. One...proclaimed, ...I baptize you for and in behalf of Sally Hemings, who is dead.
After the recent furor over Mormon proxy baptism, this news about Hemings should surprise no one. We should...take it as a given that Mormons have baptized by proxy almost every famous person...even Elvis...[...a Jewish friend recently quipped to me, Mormons can baptize dead Jews when Jews can circumcise live Mormons.)
What is surprising is that the LDS Church, according to its Family Search registry, considers Hemings to be Thomas Jeffersons wife. (One of twothe other of course being Jeffersons legal wife, Martha...)
...Mormons not only believe in baptizing non-Mormons who have diedthey also...seal... families so they can spend eternity together...
...the LDS church recognizes Hemings as Jeffersons wife...I strongly suspected that Hemings and Jefferson had been posthumously sealed as husband and wife. I asked the LDS Church to confirm my hunch...the Church obliged: ...Hemings and...Jefferson, I was told, have been posthumously sealed as husband and wife in an LDS Temple...
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
Hmmm...Slaves couldn't "consent" to sex, right? That was sexual slavery that Thomas Jefferson was trafficking in, was it not? And yet the Mormon church has supposedly "sealed" them for eternity?
Does the Mormon church also "seal" dead rape victims & their rapists together for eternity?
Wherever they might be, I’m sure both Hemings and Jefferson are comforted by this. /s
Yes...this bold-faced part IS Mormon doctrine...Mormon "scripture" still on the "scriptural" books...which means if even a white (or any color) trafficked sex slave wanted to respond to the Mormon Gospel...the Mormon missionary or Mormon would first need to secure "permission" from the woman or child's owner...or pimp...
It's found in Lds "Doctrine & Covenants" 134:12...a chapter that Mormon leaders still frequently cite...for some reason...they tend to leave out v. 12 when they cite it...Read it and think real hard about the "kind of god" they make their Mormon god out to be:
We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.
D&C 134:12 is LDS Doctrine that has never been removed or rescinded!!! This passages makes it quite clear in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!
D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.
D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.
And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business property, or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life...
(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)
Now what are the ultimate reasons for this again? D&C 134:12 provides the answer:
Reason #1: ...such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust... (There ya have it...wouldn't want to be "unjust" by giving slaves the gospel & baptizing them, would ya?)
Reason #2: ...and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude. (And, of course, the "closer": Wouldn't want to disturb the peace & quiet of slavery-sanctioning governments, now would ya?)
The problem is THOMAS Jefferson may not have been the one in the relationship, it most likely was Thomas’ brother, Randolph.
Reading between the lines here, I gather Slate is trying to encourage anti Mormon bigotry on a racial level, to motivate anti-Romney votes?
They already have Trayvon Martin. That’s the real get out the vote gambit right now.
I have read that the DNA testing showed that “a male member of the Jefferson family was the father,” which narrowed it down to one of twelve men, Randolph being the most likely. Of course, this would not stop attempts by today’s left to besmirch a Founding father,.
Well, actually, what is surprising here is that nobody wants to address the Mormon elephant in the living room here: If Mormons seal both wives that a man had temporally -- for eternity -- to that man...and if they believe families are forever...then the Mormons -- if what they believe happens to be true, that is -- have just converted Thomas Jefferson into an eternal polygamist.
And this all from the religion that claims to disassociate & even ex-communicate polygamists??????
Can you say, outright religious hypocrisy??? Can you, speaking out of both sides of their mouth???
Can you say cover-up as to what they really believe about polygamy???
Can you say open prevarication & deception & lying from the highest segments of Lds, Inc????
Much of polygamy was and still is rape. Not surprising that they would seal Hemmings to Jefferson when you think of it that way.
Its not Slates fault that the Mormons are involved in anti-Christian bigotry...
The Mormons are accountable and responsible for their racist and religious discrimination...
The Mormons are accountable and responsible for their racist and religious discrimination...
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And they will flat out deny it or lie about it to make ‘the Church’ look good.
Part of my problem as a Mormon is I was willing to own the problem doctrines (even Adam=God) even if I didn’t agree with them (like the racism).
I ask there why would Mormons want to seal an "apostate" anyway??? Apostates can have their families live together forever, per Lds doctrine...Only Mormons...Only temple-recommend Mormons at that!
Need a small typo-fix there. I think you mean "Apostates CAN'T have their families live together forever..."
Redhead: Need a small typo-fix there. I think you mean "Apostates CAN'T have their families live together forever...
Thanx for the catch; yes...too much in a hurry...Apostates CAN NOT have their families live together!
Nobody who wasn't a Mormon isn't even eligible for the Mormon "celestial kingdom"; and it's supposedly only in the Mormon "celestial kingdom" where families live forever together.
Well, it's pretty obvious that this means nobody gets to go to "Heaven" but them. Guess the rest of us will have to be satisfied with waiting in the mudroom.
Not an expert. But I beg to differ: Jefferson was not the father of Hemmings kids. DNA evidence points to a close relative, but not Thomas Jefferson himself.
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If you read my comment again, my statement has nothing to do with whether this or that person was the father of this child or that child. My comment was a sarcastic comment on weather Hemings or Jefferson were comforted by any decree made by the mormon church.
Sorry. The story looked as though it was advancing something not proven.
Why is this considered to be surprising?
After the contortions the CHURCH goes thru to try to PROVE that polygamy was BLESSED by God in the OT, even to downright LYING about certain FACTS - NOTHING this 'church' does surprises ME!
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