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Catholic And Protestant Journalists, Websites Abuzz About Coming False Prophet "Petrus Romanus"
Raiders News Network ^ | 4/3/2012 | Steve Eastman

Posted on 04/03/2012 4:09:57 PM PDT by sreastman

Catholic And Protestant Journalists, Websites Abuzz About Coming False Prophet "Petrus Romanus," Has He Arrived?

by Steve Eastman, Raiders News Network

The False Prophet is the forgotten figure in end time prophecy. There is plenty of speculation about who the Anti-Christ is, but very little about his “promoter.” Yet if we look deeply enough, we can discover what evangelicals and Catholics have believed about this personality, although there seems to be plenty of room for multiple interpretations in both camps.

We begin by taking what at first glance appear to be bit of a rabbit trail, but it’s actually to establish historical context. The early Protestant reformers were firmly united in the belief that the Pope was the Anti-Christ. Actually, as John 2:18 tells us, there are many anti-Christs, but the term is usually reserved for the final one. Although they had many reasons to believe this, perhaps the easiest to explain is the one tied to one of the Pope’s titles — the Vicar of Christ. “Vicar” means “substitute” and “anti” can mean “instead of.” One of the best-known defenses of this point of view is "The Two Babylons," by Alexander Hislop. He published his work in 1853, after the “Pope as Anti-Christ” theory was no longer so popular among Protestants.

The viewpoint was rooted in the Historicist interpretation of Revelation, which presents amazing fulfillments of most of the prophetic book up to the present time. However, in an effort to get the Pope “off the hook,” two Catholic theologians started promoting Futurism, which is the dominant evangelical view of Revelation today, and Preterism, which teaches that most of Revelation was fulfilled by the time of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. A good source for the Historicist interpretation is "The Present Reign of Jesus Christ" by Robert Caringola. The main weakness I see in Historicism is a lack of appreciation for multiple fulfillments, which would open the door for common ground with Futurists.

It turns out that Preterism has historical roots planted long before the Protestant Reformation. It’s strongly reflected in the writings of Eusebius and may be linked to Saint Augustine, John Chrysostom and Ignatius. This variety is more properly termed “partial preterism” or “historical preterism” because it allows for more future fulfillment of Revelation than does standard preterism. It works nicely with Saint Augustine’s amillenial position, which is still the dominant position of the Catholic Church, namely that the thousand-year period of Revelation 20:3 is symbolic of a great number of years and is our present era. A blogger, identified only as Nic, on CatholicForum.com equates the False Prophet with the Sanhedrin/Pharasaic elite. It remains to be seen how many Catholics share this interpretation.

There’s a new interest among evangelical Protestants in determining the Pope’s place in end time prophecy, and some are taking another look at the forgotten figure, the False Prophet. Tim McHyde has written an article on EscapeAllTheseThings.com called "Is Pope Benedict XVI / Joseph Ratzinger The False Prophet?" (a point of view the authors of the new research book Petrus Romanus disagree with). His arguments include the previously cited one, involving the meanings of “vicar” and “anti.” He also says, “The pope's mitre literally has two horns. If you go to the "Catholic Encyclopedia," they themselves call it a "two horned mitre" (hat). Again, its plain meaning is fulfilled in the pope. He is a like a lamb with two horns.” Another Protestant site, RedMoonRising.com, takes the argument further, “Catholic commentators such as the late Father Malachi Martin, Kathleen Keating and numerous Catholic visionaries are united in the belief that the Catholic Church will at one time be led by a figure they call the Anti-Pope who will turn against the fundamentals of the Christian faith and accept the Antichrist.”

There is a variation of this theme involving an extra-Biblical Catholic revelation called “The Great Monarch and Angelic Pastor.” The anonymous author of "An Analysis of Catholic Prophecy" writes, “… as Catholics understand it, there will be a Great Monarch and an Angelic Pastor who rule together followed by the Antichrist and then Jesus Christ returns to bring the last judgment.” The author warns that these two personalities are really the False Prophet and the Anti-Christ, which means that when Jesus Christ arrives on the scene, believers in this prophecy would misidentify Him as the Anti-Christ.

The theme of an anti-Pope is further developed in an article in Examiner.com which quotes from a Catholic audio recording called "Reign of the False Prophet." It mentions a Father John O’Connor. “Father explains how God will and is punishing the world for sin, and that the Fathers of the Church all wrote that the False Prophet would be a Catholic Bishop who will become an invalid anti-pope while the real Pope dies a cruel death in exile.”

Finally, a Catholic friendly website called EndTimesLion.com fills in more of the details of the anti-Pope theory. “This Anti-Pope will appear to be elected, but he will not be validly so. This Anti-Pope will physically reside in Rome, at least for a time until the “Anti-Vatican” is moved to Jerusalem. The election will be done invalidly through electronic means, such as email, fax and phone, based on the excuse that it will be too dangerous to travel to Rome because of the wars and revolutions in the streets.”

It must be remembered that Saint Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes contains references to both Popes and anti-Popes. It would be entirely consistent with Catholic teaching and emerging Protestant interpretation, for Benedict XVI’s successor, the final pontiff known as Petrus Romanus, to be both anti-Pope and False Prophet.

© 2012 Raiders News Network


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bloggersandpersonal; falseprophet; vanity

1 posted on 04/03/2012 4:10:06 PM PDT by sreastman
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To: sreastman

Bad source of Catholic info; Raider News Network is hokey and sensationalist.


2 posted on 04/03/2012 4:21:07 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: sreastman

What?!?! I’ve had Petruse and it’s a terrific wine. Specially with Foe Gras


3 posted on 04/03/2012 4:24:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: sreastman

What?!?! I’ve had Petruse and it’s a terrific wine. Specially with Foe Gras


4 posted on 04/03/2012 4:24:53 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: RBStealth
Raider News Network is hokey and sensationalist.

The Raiders also set a record in penalties last year... Definitely not to be trusted...

5 posted on 04/03/2012 4:45:31 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid; monkapotamus; Bender2; NYer; All

Raider News Network is hokey and sensationalist.
The Raiders also set a record in penalties last year... Definitely not to be trusted...

You Freepers are bad ROFL


6 posted on 04/03/2012 5:01:26 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: sreastman

bookmark..


7 posted on 04/03/2012 5:02:48 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: sreastman
It must be remembered that Saint Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes contains references to both Popes and anti-Popes. It would be entirely consistent with Catholic teaching and emerging Protestant interpretation, for Benedict XVI’s successor, the final pontiff known as Petrus Romanus, to be both anti-Pope and False Prophet.

Rather, it would be entirely consistent with antiCatholic teaching and emerging Protestant interpretation to grasp at any straw regarding belief in the demise of the Catholic Church.

Jesus will return in His own good time. I'll bet that none of us alive here will see it. That's how I live my life - else what do I tell my children? To be ready to pack it in? If that is the case, why plan for the future? Why should I send my kids to college? Why should I plan for retirement?

If you think that it's feverish now, consider the late 900's at the end of the 'first millennium'.

Rather, live your life as if you will be of your natural lifespan and face the Lord, the Judge of All on your final day. To be fatalistic is not consistent with either the human psyche or Scripture.

8 posted on 04/03/2012 5:44:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

If you look at the end of the first millennium, it was much worse than today. Plague, wars, invading pagans, made for a more vivid back drop to the expected end times.


9 posted on 04/03/2012 6:34:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sreastman

10 posted on 04/03/2012 7:58:06 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: sreastman
Are the Raiders still in Los Angeles? They should have never left Oakland. Does Jim Plunkett still play for them?
11 posted on 04/03/2012 8:03:12 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: redgolum
If you look at the end of the first millennium, it was much worse than today. Plague, wars, invading pagans, made for a more vivid back drop to the expected end times.

I'd submit that our current situation parallels those times. If you don't think so, consider Dearbornistan...

12 posted on 04/03/2012 8:18:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: sreastman
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13 posted on 04/03/2012 10:22:20 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: MarkBsnr
We don't have hordes burning and raping their way across the South. We don't have a plague depopulating whole counties and leaving the survivors pretty messed up.

We are not quite the same as then.

14 posted on 04/04/2012 5:20:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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“We don’t have a plague depopulating whole counties and leaving the survivors pretty messed up.”

I’d say abortion comes close, although infant death back than might even it out somewhat. It certainly evens out the barbaric aspect, despite that many don’t recognize it as barbarism. Still, millions every year being killed by different forms of violence has to count for what it is. Apart from abortion, many practice birth control, which some see as a plague even though it is self inflicted, and also serves to depopulate countries.

If one discounts abortion, there probably is a higher % of folks who recognize the rights of others now than ever before. If one counts abortion it is probably much more even, although once one is born there is a probably much higher chance of living a short brutal life back then than today.

Freegards


15 posted on 04/04/2012 5:45:01 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: sreastman

False prophet? Fake prophet, maybe; the addition of Petrus Romanus is completely spurious... and the original prophecy is even more spurious in the first place.

But Petrus Romanus is NOT, according to the prophecy, a false prophet. To the contrary, it says that he shall shepherd his flock amidst great persecution.

Oh, wait... I get it! the author is one of those of those hyperventilating, anti-Catholic nutjobs who presume that he *has* to be a false prophet because he’s a Catholic pope! So, he rejects the validity of the Catholic church itself, but yet he’s stupid enough to believe in a prophesy (probably falsely) attributed to a Catholic saint as if it’s some sort of divine proclamation??? What kind of absurd excuse for a rational being could ever be THAT stupid?

He’s elevated being a fool to the third power.


16 posted on 04/04/2012 9:20:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: sreastman

The false prophet is already here....Baracus Obamacus.


17 posted on 04/04/2012 9:26:11 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: MarkBsnr
Rather, live your life as if you will be of your natural lifespan and face the Lord, the Judge of All on your final day.

And how long is that?

We must be equally as prepared to die in our 90s as we are to die right now.

18 posted on 04/04/2012 9:30:39 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Vendome

Foe Gras? Did you mean Foie Gras, or were you referring to a lot of bile?

(Foie Gras is goose liver.)


19 posted on 04/04/2012 11:03:34 AM PDT by dangus
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Pretty sure goose liver goes better with a $3,000 bottle of wine than bile.

Smart phone types what it wants....


20 posted on 04/04/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: redgolum
We don't have hordes burning and raping their way across the South. We don't have a plague depopulating whole counties and leaving the survivors pretty messed up.

Talk to the people in Sudan, and, well, most of Africa - north or south. According to Ask.com, the percent of adults with AIDS is:

1. Swaziland - 33.4%
2. Botswana - 24.1%
3. Lesotho - 23.2%
4. Zimbabwe - 20.1%
5. Namibia - 19.6%
6. South Africa - 18.8%
7. Zambia - 17.0%
8. Mozambique - 16.1%
9. Malawi - 11.8%
10. Central African Republic - 10.7%

That does not include children. As a comparison, the estimates of death by plague in the middle ages is somewhere around 30%. The plague came and went. AIDS will continue.

Burning is still SOP in many of the countries in revolution today, mostly in Africa. We have rampant ritual cannibalism (remember Idi Amin?). And now we have the disturbing trend in the West where mothers are killing not only their unborn babies, but their growing children as well.

We are not quite the same as then. But we are humans and with the replacement in the West of the father with the welfare state, a sizeable percentage of the children are starting to revert to the wild state and avoiding becoming human (at least in behaviour).

In our cities? Try walking down the street in Cass Corridor or Highland Park (Detroit) at midnight on a warm summer night with cash sticking out of your pockets or if female, provocatively dressed. We'll see how thin the veneer of civilization is in certain areas of the country.

21 posted on 04/04/2012 4:48:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Rather, live your life as if you will be of your natural lifespan and face the Lord, the Judge of All on your final day.

And how long is that?

Only the Good Lord knows.

We must be equally as prepared to die in our 90s as we are to die right now.

You bet. Prepare for your family as if you die tomorrow, but also prepare to live for another century. Agreed.

22 posted on 04/04/2012 4:51:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: sreastman
Although they had many reasons to believe this

Sinners always invent justifications for their sin.

perhaps the easiest to explain is the one tied to one of the Pope’s titles — the Vicar of Christ. “Vicar” means “substitute”

No, actually it doesn't. A "vicar" is an administrative deputy, someone who exercises authority in the name of a higher power. That's not quite the same as "substitute".

and “anti” can mean “instead of.”

But it usually means "against".

One of the best-known defenses of this point of view is "The Two Babylons," by Alexander Hislop.

I'm sure it's "well-known" among a certain subset of fundamentalists for whom setting up a Catholic bogeyman is more important than truth.

But it's a truly pitiful compendium of made-up and misconstrued "evidence" and fallacious logic.

23 posted on 04/05/2012 5:06:55 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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The anonymous author of "An Analysis of Catholic Prophecy" writes, “… as Catholics understand it, there will be a Great Monarch and an Angelic Pastor who rule together followed by the Antichrist and then Jesus Christ returns to bring the last judgment.” The author warns that these two personalities are really the False Prophet and the Anti-Christ, which means that when Jesus Christ arrives on the scene, believers in this prophecy would misidentify Him as the Anti-Christ.

When "Jesus Christ arrives on the scene" he will be coming in glory on the clouds of heaven to judge all things. I guarantee that absolutely nobody will "misidentify him as the anti-Christ".

24 posted on 04/05/2012 5:14:31 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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