Skip to comments.MSNBC's O'Donnell on Romney's "Mormon Problem": How Moronism Was "Invented"
Posted on 04/07/2012 2:48:46 PM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon
And so begins the MSM turn on the Republican nominee. And as much as I hate to credit the MSM, and particularly O'Donnell, I cannot find anything in his rant that is inaccurate, other than the number of wives Joseph Smith claimed. O'Donnell says 48, but I believe the most consistent number put forward by historians is 27. On the other hand, Brigham Young claimed 56 wives, so O'Donnell is certainly within range.
Just terrific, we’re now going to have FR members (albeit new ones in this case) cheerleading MSDNC’s atttacks on the Republican nominee. What’s next? Links to Daily Kos with the latest anti-Mitt talking points?
Sorry but people are taking the anti-Willard stuff way too far now. It sucks he is going to be the nominee, but continuing to attack him is effectively helping the left and doing the Democrats job for them.
"It's a feel-good story, this Romney thing.
Romney is an ascendant guy."
Sen. John Kerry (D) to Don Imus on RomneyCARE:
"I like this health care bill".
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) on RomneyCARE:
"To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable."
Well NCC, Longbow seems to ask a damn good question. When Romney is the nominee, which is inevitable, is that what you're going to do? Will you go into league with the left in order to avoid having a (gasp) Mormon candidate? I do notice from a quick perusal that you seem to give Obama a pass and save all your venom for Romney. What's up with that?
I’ve said for months, since I read Trish Erickson’s CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? that if conservatives didn’t start the discussion Axelrod would finish it.
No one wanted to talk about it....and now we’re stuck with the potential problem.
You can read the first two chapters of the book at review tab on Amazon for free.
I don’t recall O’Donnell being too upset about the fact that Harry Greid of NV, is a Morman.
Obama’s religious background(s) are:
1) An Indonesian madrassa where some reports had him registered as a muslim, then
2) A racist America-bashing preacher led “church”.
You (and the MSM) will of course be all over those two, right?
If Romney is our nominee (and it’s sure starting to look that way) how about we don’t attack our own guy.
Obama and Romney both LIE, both govern poorly,
both ruin Constitutions, both KNOW they are entitled,
and both are ineligible.
Oh Diogenesis...you cut up!
such a funny guy!
They did the same thing to JFK when he was running in 1960. They said he would take orders directly from the Vatican. And if a Jewish person ever ran for President, the sewer rats would be spreading the rumor that he would be under the thumb of those evil bankers, the Rothchilds. It’s all a bunch of crap.
“Well NCC, Longbow seems to ask a damn good question. When Romney is the nominee, which is inevitable, is that what you’re going to do? Will you go into league with the left in order to avoid having a (gasp) Mormon candidate? I do notice from a quick perusal that you seem to give Obama a pass and save all your venom for Romney. What’s up with that?”
I fought this battle before. Half my family is subject to Her Majesty, and I see how David Cameron has destroyed the once great party of Lady Thatcher.
Why would you use an MSNBC analyst to help you?
“Sorry but people are taking the anti-Willard stuff way too far now. It sucks he is going to be the nominee, but continuing to attack him is effectively helping the left and doing the Democrats job for them.”
Romney’s Mormonism is as insidious a danger to the American people as Obama’s lean towards Islam. Although the press isn’t doing this to protect America, they are doing, unwittingly, the American public a great service by exposing Morminism and thus Romney. I, for one, am glad to see it happen. At least some lasting good can come out of the mistake of allowing Romney to be the GOP candidate.
Apparently, you just haven’t beem listening to many folks on this forum. WE WILL NOT ALLOW A ROMNEY CANDIDANCY TO GO UNCHALLENGED EVEN IN A GENERAL ELECTION. It is NOT in the best long term interests of conservatism or the United States of America.
Obama is an obvious evil....he shows more of it each day with attacks on the Constitution. Romney will be just as evil, but in an insidious way. Supporting either is unacceptable. Thus, rebellion against both is necessary.
Maybe, just maybe, the powers that be in the RNC will get the message.
Be advised, that I for one, will not ever stop bashing Romney even IF he is the the GOP’s nominee. He is no better for America than Obama, and could possible be worse because the GOP members of Congress will feel compeled to follow the fools leading. While it would be a great relief to be rid of Obama....I know in my soul that Romney would be even worse....but it wouldn’t be as obvious and would be harder to correct.
So, get used to it. There are MANY of us that are extremely upset and we aren’t going to “chill” or go away. No insults leveled at us will stop us....it will just make us more determined to fight on, and fight harder. Romney has to go, just as Obama does.
Has the big guy said the site’s position is to oppose Romney in the general election?
I didn’t get that memo.
“They did the same thing to JFK when he was running in 1960. They said he would take orders directly from the Vatican.”
True, but JFK was a Catholic in name only, whereas Romney is a real full blown Mormon.
Like I keep telling folks, this isn’t going to get a pass. Obama is an OBVIOUS evil, Romney is JUST as evil, but in an insidious way. Both don’t belong sitting in the office of POTUS.
Because if you have been through one of these elections before, the MSM does not have to resort to lies to destroy a candidate among independents when truth is on its side.
Why was Santorum destroyed in his last senate race? Because he backed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.
Some people are their own people and don’t believe letting Barack Obama have four more years of making LIFETIME court appointments is in the best interest of conservatism either.
Did you go screaming to your mommy or your teacher when you didn’t like something you heard as a boy also?
The last position I read from Jim Thompson seemed open-ended about Romney in the general election.
Last I read the site is strongly, emphatically “NO ROMNEY”, but I don’t think I’ve seen any position as to where we go as far as the position of this site, if / when Romney against all that is good and right in this world, wins the nomination.
Obama will very likely, once no longer restrained by the need for re-election, tear the Constitution into tiny bits of paper, and may even seize power a la Hugo Chavez.
Some perspective please.
Romney, for all his faults, is nowhere near the risk to America, another Obama term would be.
“Some people are their own people and dont believe letting Barack Obama have four more years of making LIFETIME court appointments is in the best interest of conservatism either.”
Wrong. Romney will, at best, pick a David Souter. That doesn’t help anyone. He cannot be trusted in the office anymore than Obama. Plus, if he makes a bad appointment, the GOP members of the senate will feel compeled to endorse it. At least Obama’s appointments are obvious epic failures to will be resisted.
Also, you don’t get it friend. Insults, like “crying to momma”, won’t work. I just toss you on the same pile of trash as Obama and Romney. Both are unacceptable choices.
If you want to drink Romney’s Jim Jones Kool-aid...I can’t stop you.
So you want Romney to lose to Obama, because you don’t like Mormons?
If we end up stuck with Romney, 2012 will not be a year we will have any best interest to gain.
However we can stop the catastrophic damage currently being done.
Then, we can start working RIGHT NOW to replace Romney (who will be in approximately the same shape George W Bush was at this time 4 years ago) with a real candidate in 2016.
We really don’t have any better option, than to contain the damage at this point, if Romney ends up the candidate.
But Obama really needs to be un-elected. Or we may not have a chance left by 2016, to fix anything at all.
Don’t worry. Romney will not have a pet media like Obama has. He’ll be beatable in 2016. Big time.
“Romney, for all his faults, is nowhere near the risk to America, another Obama term would be.”
Therein is the error so obvious to me. You fail to understand that Romney’s evil and danger to the U.S. is not obvious...it is insidious. Obama is an open evil, everyone (even liberals) are starting to be aware of it. The judiciary spanked him hard last week. They are on to him. He WILL be kept in check. However, Romney can get away with stuff, without a GOP checkmate, because he will have a “R” behind his name. That is scary to me.
If you want to drink his Jim Jone’s Koolaid...I can’t stop you. However, I will fight you with all I am to keep from drinking it myself. This is going to get really ugly if this ABO line of reasoning continues. The GOP is already in disarray. Some lines cannot be crossed, some issues are NOT negotiable. Romney is one of those for me and many.
Romney needs to go away. Obama needs to go away. Both are evil. BTW - I never use the word “evil” lightly.
“The last position I read from Jim Thompson seemed open-ended about Romney in the general election.”
BTW - The owner of the forum is “Jim Robinson.”
FUMR!! No Romney, no way!!
At some point, it’s time to face facts, and deal with reality. In all contests, sometimes you win, sometimes you take second place.
You makes your best effort, and someone takes first place.
I don’t like Romney, but if he wins fair and square (to the extent an unprincipled slimeball can be considered either) then he wins fair and square.
Then we deal with that fact (if that’s what happens), welcome or not, and win the election.
“Win” being the operative word.
OK sorry Boss.
I’ll shut up now. :D
Romney needs to go away. Obama needs to go away. Both are evil. BTW - I never use the word evil lightly."
“We really dont have any better option, than to contain the damage at this point, if Romney ends up the candidate.”
I disagree. Romney will do irreparable damage to the Republican name - I won’t help him do so. Also, it is very hard for a party to unseat its own incubant candidate. That dog won’t hunt.
It is more logical to fight him now hard before the convention and afterwards. He will lose in a general election anyway. By taking a strong stand now, the “I told you so” position becomes tenable. The GOP has got to stop nominating losers and the unacceptable.
Oh BS. Romney's problem is that he isn't particularly conservative, not that he is Mormon.
You are simply a Mormon basher. You obviously hate Mormonism and I can only hope that posts like yours don't drive so many people away from FR that want to focus on defeating Hussein, that we are left with a hollow shell of bitter sore losers.
It's one thing to avoid comment on Willard or point out that you won't be voting for him at the top of the ticket, but suggesting Romney is "evil" is just stupid.
Per post 26, I will respectfully but quietly disagree. :D
It’s important though, Obama not win a second term.
That’s just not a good outcome at all.
“So you want Romney to lose to Obama, because you dont like Mormons?”
You got it! Pretty immature, huh?
Hopefully, the adults will weigh the options offered and do the right thing. Yes, once again we will be forced to choose the ‘lesser of two evils’.
I can’t stand RINO-Romney, but I will bite my tongue in half and pull the lever for him over the WORST PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD.
We can survive four years of Romney. We CANNOT survive 4 more years of 0bama. No way, no how.
Longbow1969 nailed it in post #2.
Go NEWT 2012!
“’Win’ being the operative word.”
You have a strange notion of what “winning” is. In no way is Romney a “Win.” Even if he unseats the Obamanation.
Both Obama and Romney are unacceptable. How much plainer can I be? I am fully cognizant of what I am saying. What you call “facing facts”, I call “drinking Jim Jone’s Koolaid.”
It is not an option to even consider. It is foreever unacceptable. Nothing will change that. That is a “reality” you need to understand. I am not that small of a minority view.
How many gay men did Obama’s gunmen claim? Three?
“Hopefully, the adults will weigh the options offered and do the right thing.”
Indeed, and that would be to vote for neighter Obama or Romney. Both are equally bad. There is NO lesser of two evils. Both are equally evil.
You have me at something of a disadvantage.
May have to back off until the convention. But Obama really needs to be beaten.
That is more important than anything else.
Beyond that, no comment.
“...but continuing to attack him is effectively helping the left and doing the Democrats job for them.”
Like I said, you nailed it!
There are many reasons to not like Romney. Being a Mormon isn’t one of them.
I know for sure that 0bama will appoint more Marxists, Communists & Lesbians to the Supreme Court. That’s a given & proven fact by his actions so far. If re-elected, I guarantee he will appoint an openly gay man.
Wow...you sure quote Matt Barber a lot. I’ve never heard of him and don’t think he’s very important but maybe he’s related to you....
That’s typical liberterian philosophy: attack all republicans but give the democrats a pass.
The anti-Mormon/anti-Romney gang will be here soon.
Trust me. I’ve been fighting with them for years over the right to exercise our “Freedom of Religion” and I’m not even a Mormom!
They’re emailing and pinging each other as we speak.
Soon, very soon...tick-tock, tick-tock....
I really don’t. I don’t have time to read all the things I believe are important. I’m sure not going to waste my time reading countless essays from somebody determined to keep Obama in The White House until early 2017.
“But Obama really needs to be beaten.”
We hold this truth to be self evident.
“That is more important than anything else.”
NOT at the expense of, even potentially, a Romney administration - not any improvement over Obamanation. Nothing will change that...even “after” a convention. IF the convention picks Romney, then the “convention” is invalid and not to be followed.
Any support of Romney, even after a convention, will be met with vigorous opposition. Romney is a bridge to far.
The anti-Mormon stuff disgusts me. The anti-Romney stuff, well, I certainly didn't support him and am very disappointed he's our nominee. I went from Perry to Newt, but it is clear now conservatives did not prevail and we are left with mushy-moderate Mitt as the nominee. It is what it is. I have no expectations for Romney other than to hope he can dislodge Hussein from the White House. RINO though he is, Willard is far better than Obama. He might even actually be more conservative than his record suggests considering he is a political chameleon and the kind of guy who would say and do anything to win and hold on to power in a deep blue state. Beholden to Republicans, even just the GOP establishment, he will still be vastly preferable to Hussein.
Trust me. Ive been fighting with them for years over the right to exercise our Freedom of Religion and Im not even a Mormom!
Meh, I don't much care about the particulars of their faith. Personally, all the Mormon's I've known have been good, decent family people - all actually far more conservative than Mitt. I am looking at politicians based on how conservative they are, not whether they can quote scripture. The problem with Romney is he is not really a conservative. That he is Mormon is irrelevant to me. I'd vote for a conservative Buddhist, Hindu, etc, before I'd vote for a liberal Christian. In this case, RINO Mitt is simply far better than Obama the socialist liberation theologist.
Let me be fair about one thing. That is that ultimately we each have to do what our values/conscience/whatever dictates. No one can dictate to others here what they will or won’t do.
I’m not responsible for your actions, and you are not responsible for mine. We each have to live with our decisions.
Mine is that Romeny is no better than Obama, and may potentially be worse. I will not support him ever. It does no good to attempt to insult me or attempt to persuade me otherwise. And I will do whatever necessary (legal and moral of course) to destroy Romney as a candidate even after a convention.
Others, like yourself, hold that he is the lesser of two evils and will give him grudging support because “ABO” is your mantra. It equally is a waste for me to berate or insult you. You must do what you think best. That is what being a citizen of the United States is all about.
The one thing I do know for certain about myself and others, is that we are all falible. So, let us hope that what is best will prevail. We just defer on what we think best in regards to Romney. There is no disagreement that Obama is currently the worst president of my life time (I’m 58).
He's not "our" guy because he isn't a conservative. He's merely the Republican nominee.