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To: markomalley
Weren't the Bishops in favor of socialized medicine before abortion and contraception were an issue?

I have a hard time finding out what Dolan's position was, but haven't the Catholic Bishops been backing socialized medicine for awhile now?

7 posted on 04/08/2012 11:01:24 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up; Salvation
I have a hard time finding out what Dolan's position was, but haven't the Catholic Bishops been backing socialized medicine for awhile now?

I don't know Dolan's position on it (other than he's always been against it due to abortion coverage...but what would his position be w/o abortion? Don't know for sure)

Not all of the Bishops supported it, though. There were many of them who came out in opposition to it because of the principle of subsidiarity. Archbishop Neumann (KC KS) and Bishop Finn (KC MO) issued a long statement on it. Archbishop Chaput (formerly Denver, no Phila) spoke at length about it, as did Archbishop Nienstedt (St Paul), Bishops Nickless (Sioux City), Doran (Rockford), Slattery (Tulsa) and Johnston (Springfield-Cape Girardeu) also spoke eloquently as well. Salvation has the list and I have pinged her.

Like I said, though, not sure where Dolan was (other than he would have been opposed due to abortion coverage).

9 posted on 04/08/2012 11:49:44 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: what's up; markomalley

You wrote: “Weren’t the Bishops in favor of socialized medicine before abortion and contraception were an issue?
I have a hard time finding out what Dolan’s position was, but haven’t the Catholic Bishops been backing socialized medicine for awhile now?”

I do think that because of Obamamessiah, the Catholic Church is waking up, and changes will now be in the offing.

This article from 2008 _right after_ B.O. was elected, show their apprehension even back then:

Monday, November 10, 2008
http://www.religionnews.com/index.php?/rnsblog/month/2008/11/
Bishops in Baltimore

Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, and Archbishop Pietro Sambi, the Vatican’s U.S. ambassador, just addressed the nation’s Catholic bishops at their meeting here. ...

...I’m posting here the full transcript of my e-mail exchange with Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver on the church and abortion politics. The questions were sent Nov. 4 and answered on Nov. 5. :

Q: What is the message you intend to bring to your fellow bishops when you discuss the practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion during the assembly in Baltimore?

A: Any message to my fellow bishops should probably be shared with them first, and not the general public.

Q: Do you expect a new document or guidelines from the USSCB about Catholic politicians who support abortion and their fitness to receive Communion? If not, what do you expect?

A: I’ve said for the past decade that the 1998 bishops’ pastoral letter, “Living the Gospel of Life,” is the best guide to American Catholic political responsibilities the bishops have ever produced.

I think we need to take a hard look at whether the periodic “Faithful Citizenship” documents should be retired permanently.

We need a new approach to conscience formation in the public square. “Faithful Citizenship” didn’t and doesn’t work because it’s been applied by different people in very different ways.

Q If a majority of Catholics vote for Obama, who supports legalized abortion, should the bishops be held responsible in part for this?

A People have free will. Bishops will always have limited influence over the decision-making of adults. But it’s also true that Catholics have been much too optimistic about our role in American culture for the past 40 years.

Catholics, including many bishops, have been naïve. We’ve been homogenized and digested by the society around us. Bishops need to take responsibility for allowing that to happen.

Q If Obama wins, what should the bishops say about Joe Biden? Is it a problem for the Catholic Church to have its two pro-choice politicians occupying the vice-presidency and the role of House Speaker? If so, what should be done about it?

A The problems with the “pro-choice” behavior of Speaker Pelosi and now Vice President-elect Biden are serious and have not been resolved by this election. I think for the moment we can leave it at that.”

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MUST READ ARTICLE:

American Catholicism’s Pact With the Devil (there was a time when the Catholic hierarchy knew better.)
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil
Paul A. Rahe · Feb. 10 at 5:21pm


10 posted on 04/08/2012 11:53:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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