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Mormons have sub-par Easter services [testimony from a Mormon]
Wheat and Tares.org ^ | April 8, 2012 | Mormon Heretic

Posted on 04/08/2012 6:19:43 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: antceecee

Go to wiki and look it up.


121 posted on 04/09/2012 11:55:32 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yeah, I think its you that is confused. The fact is, I don’t even need to attend a church to be a christian. Your easter prerequisite is just stupid.


122 posted on 04/09/2012 11:57:27 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: svcw
"on Easter Sunday as well as other none celebratory days and not one word is mentioned of Jesus, not even during the “sacrament”."

Sacrament prayers

O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee, in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this water to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.

O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it; that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given them, that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.

This is the prayer I heard at my Sacrament meeting. I would think this same prayer is used at other LDS meeting.

You may have attended meetings using an other prayer.

123 posted on 04/09/2012 12:06:11 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: mamelukesabre
The fact is, I don’t even need to attend a church to be a christian.

Technically, you are correct. However, anyone who claims to be a Christian but doesn't attend regular worship services and relish spending time with other Christians needs to carefully examine him or herself in light of God's Word. It is not some legalistic requirement but the proper response of the joyful heart of one who is truly saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. It's not that we have to attend but that we really want to attend because God has replaced our hearts of stone with a heart of flesh.

Obviously, I'm not God* but every person who I have heard make such a statement about being a Christian but not needing to attend church has provided lots of other reasons to question their profession.

* Since this is a Mormon thread, let me point that I will never become a god nor will any other human being.

124 posted on 04/09/2012 12:18:50 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Colofornian

(Please let me know of a specific FREEPER poster who’s religiously defending colored eggs & rabbits...especially in the religious section of the FR site)


The only thing you are doing is to make it sound as though you are some kind of scholar, and you probably are and that is what the problem is with this whole thing of religion.

I was referring to the Catholic Church, i thought such a Great scholar as you would be smart enough to figure that out for your self, well i will admit that i can be wrong.

I did not say anything about any freeper saying anything about colored eggs or any other thing about freepers. but we know that is what happens on this easter thing, and that is fine if that is what you want to do.

It appears to me that the passover was for the Jews as it was not the gentiles who came out of captivity, as for the rest of it you are not as far as i can see getting any information from the word of God but just blowing the same wind as the so called scholars before you did who has to live religion because that is all it was to them.

The early Church did not pratice and did not teach the pratice of Christmas, Easter, or Halloween and there is no mention of changing the Sabbath to Sunbbath or any thing like that.

Gee you sure have done a lot of reading but you should read the Bible at least once in a while so you will know the truth and the truth will set you Free.

As far as The all saints day you said your self it was started in 1048 during the holy roman empire (that was started by Constantine.) my words

Again you said that the passover was started in 180 so there is nothing Biblical about either one of them.

And by the way here is the comment from you to another freeper that i was commenting on.


(Oh, that’s right...it’s just another “workin’” day for ya, given that the Sunday isn’t the Sabbath to you & Resurrection Sunday/Easter must be almost totally meaningless 2U, eh?)

The point is that you was criticizing some one because they may not believe Sunday is the sabbath and it is not the Sabbath, if you would read the Bible instead of some ones literature you would know that changing the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week would be just like changing the results of Custers last stand, its a done deal, it can not be changed.

I just barely know the meaning of paganism and when the Churches pratice or teaches something that the early Church did not teach i just use the word pagan as a by word, religion would have the same meaning.

You indicated that all of the days of the week was named after a pagan God, well was it that way or did they just name the pagan gods to fit the names of the days of the week?

I don,t know who in the world would have gone to all of that trouble because i do not read all of the pagan crap myself as i just don,t care about religion.


125 posted on 04/09/2012 12:26:10 PM PDT by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: CommerceComet
Psalms Chapter 82 - King James Version King James Version » Psalms » Chapter 82

1(A Psalm of Asaph.) God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

126 posted on 04/09/2012 12:33:21 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie
Hey, MormonDude, you are correct in one sense. There was water at the Passover - it was used to wash your hands - not to drink.

The four cups used wine the fruit of the vine including, most importantly, the third cup which represents the cup of redemption.

127 posted on 04/09/2012 12:36:18 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Elsie

...where does the Bible say anything about NOT celebrating with colored eggs and rab(b)its?


What ever you want to do is fine with me.

And where does the Bible say anything about celebrating with colored eggs and rabits.

I ask that in response to another comment.


128 posted on 04/09/2012 12:37:41 PM PDT by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: Elsie

Rev 11:10

And those who dwell on the earth {will} rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.


This just might be a little bit out of context.

I don,t know if its out of context or not but have no idea what you are talking about.


129 posted on 04/09/2012 12:41:52 PM PDT by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: BlueMoose
Notice is Psalm 82, the theme is righteous judgement. Verses 1, 2, and 3 use either the words judge or justice and verse describes (without using those words) an act of judging. Verses 5-7 are God's lament that his human judges (unfortunately, translated as "gods" in the KJV) have fallen short and will suffer the consequences with verse 8 praising God as the rightful head and judge of the entire earth.

The word "elohim" which is translated here as "gods" was used of human judges in Exodus (21:6 and 22:8,9). If you read Psalm 82 with idea of human judges the whole passage makes perfect sense. Your interpretation makes no contextual sense. Particularly, when combined with other explicit texts where God says there are no other gods. ("Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 or "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8).

130 posted on 04/09/2012 1:05:00 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: CommerceComet

Sorry. Should be “notice in”, not “notice is”. I saw that just as I hit post.


131 posted on 04/09/2012 1:06:21 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Elsie

Book of Life is Judaism 101...you might google it. As I’ve said, your comparative religions knowledge is very limited...it might behoove you to learn a little bit about the bazillion other religions of the world.


132 posted on 04/09/2012 1:18:52 PM PDT by magritte (Don't blame me. I voted for a real conservative, Rick Perry.)
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To: CommerceComet

I think this is an easter thread.

It is an easter thread but more specifically it is a mormon bashing thread expressly bashing mormons for not celebrating easter vigorously enough. I find such a thread pathetic given that there are numerous other christian religions which do not celebrate easter at all. Worse than patheic...I find it despicable that an ardent easter practitioner would choose easter sunday to NOT rejoice in the celebration of easter, but instead use his/her self proclaimed self righteous superiority to bash someone else’s style of easter celebration. Such people are not righteous or pious and are not christian. In short hey disgust me. Unfortunately for me, such people are likely to become increasing disgusting the closer romney gets to winning. I would advise these people to take a good long hard look at their own christianity before denouncing others as un-christian. Especially on easter sunday. You people may think you are ONLY insulting mormons with this and, that it is OK to do so because of your hatred for romney, but you are sadly mistaken. You are insulting many other kinds of christianity with your stupidity and you are making fools of yourselves in the process.


133 posted on 04/09/2012 1:20:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sounds pretty hypocritical of you to utter condemnation and state the OP is not a Christian....

If you don’t like others critiquing certain beliefs and actions then you shouldn’t critique others yourself.


134 posted on 04/09/2012 1:45:25 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: mamelukesabre; Turtlepower
Worse than patheic...I find it despicable that an ardent easter practitioner would choose easter sunday to NOT rejoice in the celebration of easter, but instead use his/her self proclaimed self righteous superiority to bash someone else’s style of easter celebration. Such people are not righteous or pious and are not christian. In short hey disgust me. Unfortunately for me, such people are likely to become increasing disgusting the closer romney gets to winning. I would advise these people to take a good long hard look at their own christianity before denouncing others as un-christian. Especially on easter sunday. You people may think you are ONLY insulting mormons with this and, that it is OK to do so because of your hatred for romney, but you are sadly mistaken. You are insulting many other kinds of christianity with your stupidity and you are making fools of yourselves in the process.

Judge much?

Turtlepower is absolutely right about the hypocrisy. It is evident to everyone else other than you I guessing.

Sorry but I guess we forgot that Easter is the day that we all stand around and sing "Kumbaya." Maybe next Easter, FR can make you the religion forum moderator to keep us all in line.

135 posted on 04/09/2012 6:00:32 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: svcw

Sorry, svcw, every sacrament prayer in every ward is the same. If you listened to those prayers alone you would have heard His name praised and reverenced.

“Oh God, the Eternal Father, we ask Thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all of those who partake of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the body of thy Son, that they may witness unto Thee, oh God the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember Him, and keep His commandments which He has given them, that they may always have His spirit to be with them, Amen.”

The prayer for the water is very similar. So either you were not listening to those prayers, have forgotten about them, or you yourself were not attending LDS wards because those prayers are offered, both of them in every sacrement meeting, every week in every LDS ward and branch.


136 posted on 04/09/2012 11:48:47 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: BlueMoose

Those are the correct prayers and they are said in every sacrement meeting with those exact words all over the world each Sunday in all wards and branches of the church.


137 posted on 04/09/2012 11:52:45 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: mamelukesabre

Really? You trust everything you read on wiki?


138 posted on 04/09/2012 11:57:00 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks Jeff, but your experiences are not mine. My experiences are the norm and yours apparently aren’t typical.


139 posted on 04/10/2012 6:20:41 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Typical and the norm in your world, svcw, but not typical or the norm for millions of LDS and investigators of the church who attend those meetings each week.

As I said, those prayers are the reason we call them sacrement meetings and they are said each week, using the same wording in scores of languages and in over ten thousand ward and branch buildings each week.

I urge anyone who wonders or who wants to verify this to simply attend one Sacrement meeting of a Church Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at a meeting house of your choosing anywhere in the world. Look them up in the phone book or online, and you need not attend the whole meeting, the sacrement is offered within 20 minutes or so of the start of the meeting.


140 posted on 04/10/2012 7:37:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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