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A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-Day Saints ^ | David Stewart

Posted on 04/10/2012 12:16:06 AM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that Muhammad was an inspired teacher raised up by God to teach His word.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Islam; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: islam; lds; mormon; muslim

1 posted on 04/10/2012 12:16:20 AM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

Was JS illiterate also?

2 posted on 04/10/2012 12:18:50 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Elsie; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; svcw; stpio


3 posted on 04/10/2012 12:21:01 AM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon (Christ is risen!)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

Ohfercryinoutloud......just give me one HUGE, honkin’ break.

Extend a hand to a bunch of murderous thugs....NO thankew. Islam is a worldwide scourge that must be removed.

4 posted on 04/10/2012 12:27:04 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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How the Mohammedans "dealt" with the rejection of the Christians and Jews

David Bukay: "From Muhammad to Bin Laden: Religious and Ideological Sources of the Homicide Bombers Phenomenon." Transaction Publishers, 2008, 377 pp., p. 153

Yet, the Jews rejected Muhammad as a prophet, and denied his preaching as parallel to Moses' religion, as he claimed. They insisted that the Qur'an could not be a revelation, nor Muhammad a prophet, and that they believe only in what God has given to them, as they were told by their ancestors, and resisted Muhammad's claim of being the last prophet. They declared that to be a prophet, he must prove that he received permission from God to change the Bible by making miracles, and Muhammad could do nothing.
Moreover, Jews and Christians exerted pressures on Muhammad to join them, although they did not recognize authenticity of his prophetical inspiration. Their claim to be God's chosen people was rejected. Allah gave his religion to the Jews, and took it from them, for they were transgressors. The same occurred with the Christians.
This was a serious challenge to Muhammad, and the only response could be that the deviations were in the Jewish part: they had concealed the coming of Muhammad and altered their Scriptures. To deal with that, the new religious community obtained its independence by referring to the pure monotheistic religion of Abraham, which Allah had given to Muhammad, the last prophet.
Then, after his great success in Medina—the split from the Jews, and the battles of Badr and the Trench, Muhammad—riding on the waves of political achievements and military successes, had begun to operate as a new religious leader.

Political Islam is Islam's ideology about unbelievers, kafirs... This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad

6 posted on 04/10/2012 2:51:10 AM PDT by Milagros (Y)
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7 posted on 04/10/2012 2:52:36 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

So the LDS supports Islam, won’t fight or stand against the intrusion into America?

And Romney is supposedly the LDS King of Kings soon to become?

8 posted on 04/10/2012 3:31:22 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that Muhammad was an inspired teacher raised up by God to teach His word.

Really? Mormonism and Islam have completely opposite views of God, almost like mirror images of one another. (This is not a good thing; the opposite of an error is often another error.)

Mormonism says there are as many gods as there are sands on a seashore. Islam is stridently unitarian, so much so that they think Trinitarian Christians are polytheistic.

Mormonism thinks that faithful Mormon men become gods in their own right. Islam think that even the idea of God having an eternally begotten, divine Son is blasphemous.

If Islam is "God's word" then Mormonism certainly isn't, and vice versa.

9 posted on 04/10/2012 5:03:03 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

10 posted on 04/10/2012 5:22:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

Hamas, Hizbollah, Muzlim Brotherhood, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Mormans and Catholics all worship the same God...Strange bedfellows...

11 posted on 04/10/2012 5:31:54 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
all worship the same God

Hardly. Catholics believe in the Trinity. Mormons believe in three gods out of millions they claim exist. Muslims regard the Trinity as blasphemous.

On the other hand, Muslims and Mormons both believe that the Church Jesus Christ founded personally on Peter and the Apostles, the Church that collected and canonized the New Testament, became hopelessly corrupt -- despite Christ's promise to preserve it -- at some early age and had to be "reformed" by a "prophet" armed with the "true gospel".

Sound familiar?

12 posted on 04/10/2012 5:37:35 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Not they both deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ. In revelations, IMO the 12th Imam=Mormon “Man Mighty and Strong”=The Anti-Christ.


13 posted on 04/10/2012 6:43:45 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: NorthernCrunchyCon

Mad Mo and JS were kindred spirits, no doubt.

14 posted on 04/10/2012 11:13:25 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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