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Mormon priesthood holder compares PH power to government power [Edit to fit]
Exmormon.org ^ | April 10, 2012 | Anon

Posted on 04/10/2012 1:02:18 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

Until very recently, when I discovered I had a heart problem, I was employed as a cop. I loved the job because it gave me the unique opportunity to combine my love of helping people, with my joy of firearms and driving fast while not having to worry about traffic tickets. Admittedly, I was never what you would call a super-cop, but I showed up to work, did my job, and for better or worse had a major impact on some peoples lives, most of whom I can't remember, even though they took the time to painfully describe what they would do upon the joy of ever meeting me again, preferably when there were no witnesses, and I had left my gun behind.

I grew up being taught that the lowest deacon has more power then the president of the United States. Well, I was an Elder in the church, which in Mormon theory, meant that I had all the power in the world that there was to have. I was also a cop, which while having more power then most people, is no where near as powerful as what the president possesses, he having command of a couple thousand nuclear bombs among everything else.

I once saved a life, while acting as a police officer. As a priesthood holder, I have given many blessings, that have never once, had an impact on the common cold, let alone stopped someone from dying.

While I have never taken a life, I had the authority to carry a firearm in public, and was trusted by the state, to be able to judge in a moment, if I should pull that firearm, and take the life of another. As an elder, the church never trusted me to be alone with a female.

As a priesthood holder, if I saw someone doing something I did not like, I could dust my feet, or raise my hand to the square and rebuke them, resulting in much loud laughter and mocking. As a police officer, if I saw someone doing something I did not like, I could and have, placed them in handcuffs, and taken them to jail, or failing that issue them a citation that would require them to pay a lot of money, or else go to jail.

But on the other hand, I can't carry a tray full of stale bread, inside a Mormon church, without causing a hissy fit, so maybe a deacon is more powerful.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Humor; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; inman; mormon; romney
This "power of the priesthood" is given to 12-year-old mormon boys. Mitt Romney believes in this. Guess that's why he wants to be POTUS. Does he think that would give him double the power??
1 posted on 04/10/2012 1:02:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39; All
The White House is just a "stepping stone" to the Great White Thone.

Imagine that. Christians and conservatives voting for a guy who thinks beings will one day bow down & worship him & pray to him.

Aiding & abeting outright idolatry; and providing the worst socalled "conservative" of a POTUS candidate our country has EVER seen...an outright polytheist cultist.

2 posted on 04/10/2012 1:20:50 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Lord said His kingdom was not of this world. To think that any priest of any church has power over people in some kind of ruling way is just silly. Since the priesthood can decide if you will be baptized or not they do wield incredible power just not in the way the writer was making fun of.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 1:24:33 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


4 posted on 04/10/2012 1:28:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This “power of the priesthood” is given to 12-year-old mormon boys..
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The Lord was 12 when He confounded the elders in the temple, the common age for bar mitzvah is 12 or 13.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 1:28:54 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
Since the priesthood can decide if you will be baptized or not they do wield incredible power

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6 posted on 04/10/2012 1:32:36 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: greyfoxx39

1 Tim. 3:12: A deacon MUST be the HUSBAND of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

LdS.org: A boy is normally ordained a deacon when he is 12 years of age or older.

So how does a 12 year old comply with the Biblical passage? Or is this just one of many Biblical passages that are “translated incorrectly” as mormonism claims?

And what of the “spiritual blood transfusion” to pass on the lineage of Aaron?

And what of the “messenger who descended from heaven in a cloud of light” who purportedly “bestowed” the priesthood upon JS and his minion?

I recall reading something about angels of light in the Bible, oh yeah...

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


8 posted on 04/10/2012 2:13:50 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: DeweyShootem
That simply is not taught at church.

Priesthood Power

Ensign magazine, 2001
Elder John H. Groberg

In His love for us, God has decreed that any worthy man, regardless of wealth, education, color, cultural background, or language, may hold His priesthood. Thus, any properly ordained man who is clean in hand, heart, and mind can connect with the unlimited power of the priesthood.

9 posted on 04/10/2012 2:19:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: greyfoxx39; DeweyShootem
the unlimited power of the priesthood.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Ensign is a periodical not a teaching manual. If you had paid attention, the LDS Church does not get involved in anything political other than to tell the member’s to be good citizens and vote, not who to vote for. It is a standard form letter issued every four years. There is no endorsement contained.

Harry Reid is a Mormon, do you have your panties in a bunch over him? Other than he is nuts, greedy and a bold face liar!


11 posted on 04/10/2012 4:18:35 PM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: DeweyShootem; greyfoxx39; All

The Ensign is a periodical not a teaching manual ...

... and as such it always prints big lies whenever it says something that might tend to embarrass the Church ... even if the article was written by an Elder of the 70 ... because we never edit anything that goes into a publication for all our members ... so we can cover our butts whenever we deem it necessary.

12 posted on 04/10/2012 4:51:30 PM PDT by Zakeet (Obozo is to competent as an Etch-A-Sketch is to art)
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To: SZonian
It appears that some are trying to discount the "priesthood power" described in the article and the belief by mormons that made them special. Here is another description of the "power", "even unto eternity" claimed by this antiChristian sect.

Thomas Monson Claiming there is "nothing as special in this world.

13 posted on 04/10/2012 6:47:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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More boasting of "specialness"
14 posted on 04/10/2012 6:50:55 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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To: DeweyShootem

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


16 posted on 04/10/2012 8:37:14 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: JAKraig
The Lord was 12 when He confounded the elders in the temple, the common age for bar mitzvah is 12 or 13.

Yeah, Jesus, King of kings, God's son, second person of the trinity, eternal and glorious, and your average 12-year old kid - yeah that's pretty much the same.

17 posted on 04/10/2012 8:51:40 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: DeweyShootem; greyfoxx39
"The Ensign is a periodical not a teaching manual."

Then why is it used for Home TEACHING?

18 posted on 04/11/2012 5:35:58 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I grew up being taught that the lowest deacon has more power then the president of the United States.



...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

19 posted on 04/11/2012 6:22:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
The White House is just a "stepping stone" to the Great White Thone.

Where; if your name is NOT found in the BoL...

20 posted on 04/11/2012 6:23:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JAKraig
To think that any priest of any church has power over people in some kind of ruling way is just silly.

The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

21 posted on 04/11/2012 6:24:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JAKraig
To think that any priest of any church has power over people in some kind of ruling way is just silly.

 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

22 posted on 04/11/2012 6:25:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JAKraig
To think that any priest of any church has power over people in some kind of ruling way is just silly.

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



23 posted on 04/11/2012 6:26:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JAKraig
The Lord was 12 when He confounded the elders in the temple, the common age for bar mitzvah is 12 or 13.
24 posted on 04/11/2012 6:26:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Godzilla

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NvSgrxp8Yg


25 posted on 04/11/2012 6:29:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DeweyShootem
If you had paid attention, the LDS Church does not get involved in anything political other than to tell the member’s to be good citizens and vote, not who to vote for.

Proposition 8

26 posted on 04/11/2012 6:31:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T Minus Four
Yeah, Jesus, King of kings, God's son, second person of the trinity, eternal and glorious, and your average 12-year old kid - yeah that's pretty much the same.




 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


27 posted on 04/11/2012 6:33:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T Minus Four
THIS is the man to follow; Robert Millet; MORMON and Professor, Apologist.
 
 
I feel like I have a sense of responsibility to be as, as gentle and kind and, in my case, Christian as possible. It's, to me, if you're, if you want to talk about Christianity or what it stands for, you have to look carefully at what it produces in people. My religion, for me, not only sets forth my theology, but it sets forth my practical, daily living in terms of how I treat other people and how I come to love them. And whether they feel the same way about ultimate and eternal things that I do or not.
 
 
 
http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

28 posted on 04/11/2012 6:34:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Mr. Millet:
 
I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.
I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him
that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.
That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,
 it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.
We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the
Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.
And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited
to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.
And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.
And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.
 
The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.
 
He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'
 
And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'
 
He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'
 
And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.
 
I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'
 
But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.
We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.
 
And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.
We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'
 
 
http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

29 posted on 04/11/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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