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As I lay dying a voice said: ‘Let’s go’ (the near-death experience of a cynical prof)
Catholic Herald ^ | April 12, 2012 | Rory Fitzgerald

Posted on 04/13/2012 5:50:52 AM PDT by NYer

Howard Storm and his wife, Marcia

Howard Storm and his wife, Marcia

Howard Storm was an atheist until he had an extraordinary near-death experience. After that, everything changed. Indeed, he is now a Christian minister. His book, My Descent into Death, shot to prominence globally after the novelist Anne Rice called it “a book you devour from cover to cover, and pass on to others”.

She added that “Storm was meant to write it and we were meant to read it.”

Storm recently spoke to me from his home in Kentucky. He recounted going out to San Francisco in 1967, aged 19, in pursuit of the hippy dream.

“We earnestly were going to create a culture of peace and love,” he says, but “because it was so hedonistic and anarchistic it was doomed to failure. We soon began to see our contemporaries being destroyed by the excesses of drugs and sexuality.”

Disillusioned by hippiedom, religion and mainstream American society, he became increasingly nihilistic. He says he turned to “total narcissism: I’m no longer interested in changing the world … I’m going to live for myself.”

Storm rose through academia and took a job as a professor of art in Kentucky where he says that the overwhelming majority of the faculty were atheists and hedonists.

“Being cynical gives you a false and inflated sense of superiority,” he says. “You can look down on all the ignorant fools who go to church and believe in religion.

“The sad part of it is we conveyed those attitudes to our students. Many students came from homes where faith was valued. After a few short years in university they had nothing but contempt for faith. I think it was a horrible thing that we did.”

Storm’s life changed during a field trip to Europe in 1985. One morning, aged 38, he collapsed in his hotel room with a perforated duodenum. No surgeon could be found, and after hours in agony he “knew that it was over” as he fell unconscious.

“I fully expected that to be it: lights out, end of story,” he says. “Then, I found myself standing next to my bed, feeling wonderful. My senses were very heightened. The pain was gone. I tried to communicate with my wife. I thought she was ignoring me. I also noticed an occupant in my bed who bore a remarkable resemblance to me. I knew that person was dead.

“Then I heard people calling me from outside the room, saying: ‘It’s time for you to go. Hurry up. Let’s go.’ They said: ‘We know all about you. We’ve been waiting for you.’ I thought they were from the hospital.”

But when he stepped out into this “hallway” it was “very dim, grey and fuzzy, like a really bad black-and-white television picture”.

He says: “I went in to this hallway and had a very clear sense that the ‘portal’ back into the room was somehow closed. I could never go back. The people led me away, and the hallway subtly became darker and darker and darker over a long period of time. Eventually, I realised that I was in complete darkness, encircled by a crowd of people and overcome with fear. I said to them: ‘I want to go back.’ And they started pushing and pulling at me. The more I fought, the better they liked it. They were biting and scratching and tearing at me, all the while yelling and screaming.

“Later on, I realised that they were people like me, who had rejected God and had lived for their own selfish gratification. Their wish had come true: this is what they had. In the place they inhabit there’s no light, no birds, no joy, no hope, no love… a bunch of rats in a cage.”

They screamed and tortured him for an age, he says. “Eventually, I was too ripped up and defeated to do anything. I was solid pain. The real pain is the emotional pain. They did things that I don’t talk about… degrading things.

“I was lying there, when I heard a voice say: ‘Pray to God.’ I said: ‘I don’t pray. I don’t believe in God.’ Then, it came a second time; and a third: ‘Pray to God.’

“So, tried to think of a prayer. I started to mumble some things. A mention of God came into a few of these phrases. With each mention the people around me became very, very angry, and started screaming at me: ‘There is no God’ and ‘Nobody can hear you.’ It angered them so much that they were retreating from me. The mention of God was unbearable to them.” Encouraged, he mumbled other jumbled half-remembered phrases: “Glory, glory hallelujah, God Bless America, Our Father who art in heaven…”

Eventually, he found himself alone in this dark place. Thinking over his life he found it gravely wanting. He felt he deserved to be where he was.

“I felt that there was some kind of justice in the universe and that if you lead a miserable life you go down the sewer pipe of the universe into the septic tank. And that’s where I was. Yet I knew I hadn’t been flushed down into the deeper part, just yet.

“In that state of hopelessness I had a memory of myself as a child in Sunday school, singing ‘Jesus Loves Me’. I also had a vivid feeling of being a child and feeling that there was a wonderful God-man named Jesus who was my friend and who loved me. With real sincerity, I called out: ‘Jesus, please save me.’ With that, a tiny light appeared in the darkness and it came down over me. Out of this light came two hands. They reached down and touched me, and all the gore and filth that was me just fell away.

“In two or three seconds I was healed and filled with an indescribable love. In this world there is no equivalent to that kind of love. These arms picked me up and brought me into this brilliant light. I was held against the body of this man. I knew that he was Jesus. I cried.

“We were moving straight up, faster and faster towards the world of light. It dawned on me then that everything I had believed in was wrong, and I was going to where God lived. I thought: ‘They’ve made a terrible mistake. I don’t deserve this. I’m garbage.’”

At that thought, “we stopped, and he spoke to me for the first time, and said: ‘We don’t make mistakes. You do belong here.’ He had responded to my thought. He laughed and said: ‘I know what you’re thinking. I know everything you’ve ever thought.’ Then he called out in musical tones and a group of beings of light – angels – who had recorded my life came. They began to show me my life, starting with my birth.”

Storm says they showed him scenes he had no memory of, like being a baby and his sisters playing with him. But as his life unfolded into adolescence and adulthood “things started going downhill”.

“It became painful, because I saw that when I did bad things, I knew that it caused Jesus and the angels actual pain. It hurt them.
“So, here I am hanging in space, between the worlds of light and dark, watching my life. I am being held by Jesus, but I can see that I caused him actual unhappiness. It was just so shameful.”

He says that “the only thing they showed me was how I interacted with people”. They showed no interest in his awards, promotions or other worldly achievements.

“It became evident that the primary thing was how I had loved other people. I had done very poorly. I had failed God’s expectations of what I was supposed to be doing, which was caring for other people.”

As to how long this process took, Storm says that “there was no perception of time”, but “when I try to frame it in our time, I say, it took longer than graduate school, which for me was three and a half years”.

Eventually, he was told he wasn’t ready for heaven and would have to go back to earth. “I was very upset,” he says.

Reluctantly, after some resistance, he accepted his fate. Then, instantaneously, he was back in his body in that Paris hospital, being prepared for surgery.

Afterwards his life changed utterly. He could no longer go back to his old ways. His friends met his story with “rejection, ridicule and scorn”. But he found new friends at Bible study groups. Gradually he became more and more involved in his church, eventually becoming a minister in the United Church of Christ. In this capacity he works closely with Catholic Church in Latin America. He argues that “God sees the Church as one Church” and that “all the divisions are manmade”.

This one Church, he says, “should be out there risking their pretty vestments”, pursuing those lost souls, gripped by the nihilism and atheism, now running rampant across the western world.

For more information about Howard Storm, visit Howardstorm.com.



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To: Lazamataz

Now I’m gonna have to try and dig out your phone number . . . talk about a needful miracle . . . Wheeee.

LUB BRO. SIGH.


51 posted on 04/13/2012 9:53:55 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lazamataz

Nah. God appreciates your sense of humor.


52 posted on 04/13/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Okay, well, thanks, but if you are serious, you ought know I’m not. That will help you direct your efforts to people who might actually need it.


53 posted on 04/13/2012 9:55:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Quix; Finatic

Quix posted - “...that God is still in the business of miracles...”

Amen to that. And large or small, they are miracles, just the same.

May God guide our course.
Tatt


54 posted on 04/13/2012 10:09:36 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: NYer

One wonders whose God a Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, other-than-Christian sees in these NDEs?


55 posted on 04/13/2012 10:14:03 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Lazamataz
...God truly hates me. He wants to squash me like a grape...

I know for a fact that is not true!

We're still overdue for a meetup of some sort. Alas, I have pefected procrastination.

56 posted on 04/13/2012 10:14:58 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe He is trying to get your attention...If God hated you and thought you were a lost cause, you’d be dead already...
God has every hair on your head counted....Who else would do that for you?


57 posted on 04/13/2012 10:26:20 AM PDT by hope
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To: Lazamataz

“That will help you direct your efforts to people who might actually need it.”

One of the most dramatic prompts I ever got from God came at a time when I was absolutely sure I neither needed nor wanted it. Nevertheless, I get your message. I will leave you alone. Peace.


58 posted on 04/13/2012 10:29:53 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Lazamataz; NYer

WHEW.

Welllllllll ya sure had me going there for a while.

I just think such a lot of you.

And have been down some similar paths as you describe.

[BTW, NYer, the Hippo video has a lot of Biblical richness in it. Thanks.]

For those who may truly be in such hard spaces . . . here’s some good Biblical food for thought:

RE RUMINATIONS OF DOUBTs e.g. about God’s Love, Salvation etc.

SUCH THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS ARE SATAN’S SPECIAL STRATEGIES.

HE DELIGHTS IN USING THEM.

With me, he’s plagued me off and on with such stuff for most of my 65 years.

The best help FOR ANYONE seduced into a doubt-filled rummination cycle . . . that I know is to quote SCRIPTURE back at him.

Doubt was what satan used to trip Eve up in the first place—causing her to DOUBT WHAT GOD HAD SAID.

GO BACK TO HIS WORD. CONFESS IT. FEED ON IT. KEEP IT A FOCUS IN YOUR MIND AND RESIST THINKING ANY OF THE SATAN FOSTERED DOUBT-FILLED THOUGHTS.

TAKE EACH THOUGHT CAPTIVE TO CHRIST’S TRUTH. HIS WORD IS TRUTH AND LIFE. HEAVEN AND EARTH WILL PASS AWAY & BE REPLACED. HIS WORD WILL STAND FOREVER.

These are Scriptures from Neil Anderson’s books via a fellow FREEPER . . . I think they are good to post on one’s fridge and near where one sits to review as needed and confess as needed.

LUB,

Note: the Scriptural truths below are also good to bolster one’s self with when facing any struggle, trial, challenge.

THIS IS WHO WE ARE

Who I Am In Christ

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I am accepted...

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John 1:12 I am God’s child.

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John 15:15 As a disciple, I am a friend of Jesus Christ.

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Romans 5:1 I have been justified.

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1 Corinthians 6:17 I am united with the Lord, and I am one with Him in spirit.

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1 Corinthians 6:19-20 I have been bought with a price and I belong to God.

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1 Corinthians 12:27 I am a member of Christ’s body.

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Ephesians 1:3-8 I have been chosen by God and adopted as His child.

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Colossians 1:13-14 I have been redeemed and forgiven of all my sins.

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Colossians 2:9-10 I am complete in Christ.

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Hebrews 4:14-16 I have direct access to the throne of grace through Jesus Christ.

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I am secure...

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Romans 8:1-2 I am free from condemnation.

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Romans 8:28 I am assured that God works for my good in all circumstances.

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Romans 8:31-39 I am free from any condemnation brought against me and I cannot be separated from the love of God.

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2 Corinthians 1:21-22 I have been established, anointed and sealed by God.

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Colossians 3:1-4 I am hidden with Christ in God.

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Philippians 1:6 I am confident that God will complete the good work He started in me.

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Philippians 3:20 I am a citizen of heaven.
2 Timothy 1:7 I have not been given a spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind.

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1 John 5:18 I am born of God and the evil one cannot touch me.

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I am significant...

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John 15:5 I am a branch of Jesus Christ, the true vine, and a channel of His life.

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John 15:16 I have been chosen and appointed to bear fruit.

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1 Corinthians 3:16 I am God’s temple.

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2 Corinthians 5:17-21 I am a minister of reconciliation for God.

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Ephesians 2:6 I am seated with Jesus Christ in the heavenly realm.

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Ephesians 2:10 I am God’s workmanship.

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Ephesians 3:12 I may approach God with freedom and confidence.

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Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

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“The more you reaffirm who you are in Christ, the more your behavior will begin to reflect your true identity!”
(From Victory Over the Darkness , by Dr. Neil Anderson)

http://www.ficm.org/whoami.htm

WHO AM I?

I am the salt of the earth. Mat5:13

I am the light of the world in & through Christ Jesus. Mat:14

I am a child of God. John 1:12

I am a part of the True Vine and Christ’s life flows through me John 15:1,5

I am Christ’s friend. John 15:15

I have been chosen by Jesus to bear much fruit. John 15:16

I am Jesus’ personal witness sent out to tell everybody about Him. Acts 1:8

I am a slave to God, making me holy and giving me eternal life. Rom 6:18

I am a child of God. I can call Him my Father, Daddy. Rom 8:14, 15

I am an heir with Christ, inheriting His glory. Rom 8:17

I am a dwelling place for God. His Spirit and Life live in me. I Cor 3:16

I am forever joined in God and am one spirit with Him. I Cor 6:17

I am a new person in Christ Jesus. My past is forgiven and everything is new. 2 Cor 5:17

I am at peace with God and he has given me the work of helping others find peace with Him. 2 Cor 5:18, 19

I am a child of God and one with others who are members of His Family. Gal 3:26, 27

I am a child of God and will receive the inheritance which he promised. Gal 4:6, 7

I am a saint, a holy person. Col 1:2

I am a citizen of Heaven; seated in Heaven right now with Jesus. Eph 2:6

I am God’s building project, His handiwork, created in Christ to do His work. Eph 2:10

I am a prisoner of Christ so that I can help others. Eph 3:1, 4:1

I am righteous and holy Eph 4:24

I am hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3

I am the expression of the life of Christ because He is my life Col 3:4

I am chosen of God to be holy and dearly loved. Col 3:12

I am a child of The Light and not of the darkness. 1 Thes 5:5

I am chosen to share in God’s Heavenly calling. Heb 3:1

I am part of Christ; I share in His Life. Heb 3:14

I am one of God’s Living Stones, being built-up in Christ as a house for God. 1 Pet 2:5

I am a member of the chosen people, a royal priesthood, a people belonging to God. 1 Pet 2:9, 10

I am only a visitor to this world in which I temporarily live 1 Pet 2:11

I am an enemy of the devil. 1 Pet 5:8

I am a child of God, and I will be Christ’s when He returns. 1 John 3:1, 2

I am born again in Christ and the devil will never defeat me. 1 John 5:18

I am not the great “I AM” (Ex 3:14) but by the Grace of God, I am what I am. 1 Cor 15:10

SINCE I AM IN CHRIST, by the GRACE OF GOD:

I am now acceptable to God and completely forgiven. I live at peace with Him Rom 5:1

The sinful person I used to be died with Christ, and sin no longer rules my life. Rom 6:1-6

I am free from the punishment my sin deserves. Rom 8:1

I have been placed into Christ by God. 1 Cor 1:30

I have received God’s Spirit into my life. I can recognize the blessings He has given me. 1 Cor 2:12

I have been given the mind of Christ. He gives me wisdom to make the right choices. 1 Cor 2:16

I have been bought with a Price, I am not my own; I belong to God. 1 Cor 6:19, 20

I no longer live for myself; I live for God. 2 Cor 5:14, 15

I am God’s possession, chosen and secure in Him. I have been given the Holy Spirit as a promise of my inheritance. Eph 1:13, 14

I have been blessed with every spiritual blessing. Eph 1:3

I was chosen in Christ to be holy before the world was created. I am without blame before Him. Eph 1:4

I was chosen by God to be adopted as His child. Eph 1:5

I have been brought out of slavery to sin and forgiven. I have received His generous grace. Eph 1:7, 8

I have been made spiritually alive just as Christ is alive. Eph 2:5

I have been raised up and seated with Christ in Heaven. Eph 2:6

I have direct access to God through The Holy Spirit. Eph 2:18

I may approach God with confidence, boldness, and freedom. Eph 3:12

I have been rescued from the dark power of satan’s rule and have been brought into the Kingdom of Christ. Col 1:13

I have been forgiven all my sins and set free. The debt against me has been cancelled. Col 1:14

Christ Himself lives in me. Col 1:27

I am firmly rooted in Christ and am now being built-up in Him. Col 2:7

I am complete in Christ. Col 2:10

I am spiritually clean. My old sinful self has lost its power to rule my life. Col 2:11

I have been buried, raised and made alive with Christ Col 2:12, 13

I died with Christ and I have been raised up with Christ. My new life is hidden with Christ in God. Christ is now my life. Col 3:1-4

I have been given a spirit of power, love and self-control. 2 Tim 1:7

Because I am set apart and one with Christ. He is not ashamed to call me His brother or sister. Heb 2:11

I have been given great and valuable promises. God’s nature has become a part of me. 2 Pet 1:4

[EMAIL SIGNATURE LINE]:

MAY WE ALL BE READY TO MEET THE LORD AT ALL TIMES.

BELEIVE IN YOUR HEART AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THAT JESUS IS LORD; THAT HE CAME IN THE FLESH AND THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD!!

AN EXCELLENT SOBERING SERMON BY UGANDAN PASTOR JOHN MULINDE about being sold out to Jesus and forsaking sin etc:

The meaty !WHAM! to him personally begins about 25 min into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4WSe5tK_2Y


59 posted on 04/13/2012 10:41:32 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: thesearethetimes...
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!

60 posted on 04/13/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Springfield Reformer; hope; GingisK; married21; Quix; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; caww

61 posted on 04/13/2012 10:43:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Springfield Reformer; hope; GingisK; married21; Quix; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; caww

62 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Springfield Reformer; hope; GingisK; married21; Quix; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; caww

63 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Springfield Reformer; hope; GingisK; married21; Quix; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; caww

64 posted on 04/13/2012 10:45:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Springfield Reformer; hope; GingisK; married21; Quix; Freedom_Is_Not_Free; caww

65 posted on 04/13/2012 10:46:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Quix

Yes! He is always in the miracle business!!! AMEN !!! AMEN!!


66 posted on 04/13/2012 10:46:24 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Quix

Often, it is hard to see a Miracle,

Not because Miracles are rare,

But because they are So Numerous.


67 posted on 04/13/2012 11:18:54 AM PDT by Museum Twenty (To see myself as others see me? Sounds like a terrible fate! I take great comfort in self-delusion.)
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To: All; NYer
Also! Let us not forget that there is more to the story. Which I find hard to believe it Is not shown on this Paper's website.

I have been reading this story from different websites for years. I truly believe this true. But some times some aspects are left out. Just like when you or I tell a story we might forget some things.

Number one is the power and anointing of prayers.

Why would I bring this up ?

As Paul Harvey would say Now the Rest of The Story.

When you read it completely you will realize that before he died he mocked a woman of faith. She wanted to learn about Art. She was in his class. She was verbally abused by Mr. Storm. He told her if mention anything about faith outside of Art, he would fail her. They made a agreement. But he still abused words toward her.

Well she left that class and prayed for this man with her friends for years. She was so concerned for this man's soul. She Never let up on the prayers. Seeing the results before it happened.

He went back to her to apologize as a Christian. She pointed out why what took you so long. Lol! What faith this woman!

It does not matter who as a Christian who prayers for others but this woman was a Catholic nun. A sister devoted to prayer.

Pray! Pray! Pray for All!!!

Do No Let Up on Pray!!!

What a Glorious example of Prayers offered for others.

A Humble or Contrite Heart He will Not Ignore!!

What a humble woman of faith has done.

Philippians 4:6-7

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Psalm 46

"God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.

Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea,

though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging."

Praise Jesus!!!

68 posted on 04/13/2012 11:20:44 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Lazamataz

You aren’t alone. The Lord is a mind renewer. Just gotta say yes to Him because He wont come uninvited.


69 posted on 04/13/2012 11:21:09 AM PDT by hope
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To: GingisK

You have perfected procrastination?

Wow, that’s great.

I keep meaning to get around to doing that myself....


70 posted on 04/13/2012 11:21:43 AM PDT by Museum Twenty (To see myself as others see me? Sounds like a terrible fate! I take great comfort in self-delusion.)
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To: hope

Sluggo and Nine Inch Nails ALWAYS always gets them.


71 posted on 04/13/2012 11:30:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: sauropod

read


72 posted on 04/13/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: Lazamataz

Temporarily


73 posted on 04/13/2012 11:47:25 AM PDT by hope
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To: Museum Twenty

TRUE. TRUE.

Along with some folks’ compulsions to rationalize away anything supernatural.


74 posted on 04/13/2012 11:50:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Finatic

I would also be interested in reading the rest of your story.


75 posted on 04/13/2012 12:04:55 PM PDT by Starrling
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To: Lazamataz

“Jesus!” God says.

“Yes”

” What is THAT?”

” That—oh, that is just Laz.”

” And how did that, that thing, come into My universe?”

” You know.”

” Humor me. Believe me, if I made that, I would certainly remember.”

” Yes, you would. Well, I had some spare parts and was just fooling around in the shop, and well, made the Laz prototype.”

“Jesus, you know that I love you, but whatever that thing is, it cannot stay here.”

” OK, Father.I know where I will send him.”

” Choose wisely. Where is that?”

” FREEREPUBLIC”

” All I can say is, may I have mercy on the Freepers!”

Let’s hope the lightning rods on both our homes is in working order.


76 posted on 04/13/2012 12:11:44 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: All; NYer

http://books.google.com/books?id=kd4gxtQAeq8C&pg=PA67&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false


77 posted on 04/13/2012 12:54:17 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace
Pray! Pray! Pray for All!!! Do No Let Up on Pray!!!

This is an excellent point and one often overlooked by so many christians. Jesus taught us to pray for our enemies and "those who hate us".

78 posted on 04/13/2012 2:34:21 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Bump


79 posted on 04/13/2012 3:55:27 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: AnAmericanMother

“As long as we’re being snarky, “pretty vestments” and all . . “

That’s worth another look at nasty chasibles.

http://badvestments.blogspot.com/


80 posted on 04/13/2012 3:56:25 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: NYer
"He argues that “God sees the Church as one Church” and that “all the divisions are manmade”. "This one Church, he says, “should be out there risking their pretty vestments”, pursuing those lost souls, gripped by the nihilism and atheism, now running rampant across the western world."

The call to each and every person who come to know Christ is to become a living epistle full of light and salt. God did not save us so we could hide in monasteries or sit in the back row of a fellowship, He saved us to send us into a dying world we are all called to share our faith with the lost of this world. Many want to just write a check and send others out but we are the ones who are to share our faith with others.

81 posted on 04/13/2012 4:02:07 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: OpusatFR
But the all time winner of the Nasty Chasuble Contest is:

Thank goodness it's Episcopalian (note the second bubble from the left) and not Catholic!

82 posted on 04/13/2012 4:15:43 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Lazamataz
I suck. God truly hates me. He wants to squash me like a grape.

Can you blame him?

83 posted on 04/13/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to become old,)
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To: AnAmericanMother

” COME UNTO ME “

Just makes me think Bela Lugosi.


84 posted on 04/13/2012 4:36:14 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR
Must have been Lugosi in this early role --

(no, seriously, it's him!)

85 posted on 04/13/2012 4:41:38 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

From that to Drac.

Makes you wonder!


86 posted on 04/13/2012 5:20:42 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: riri

bkmk


87 posted on 04/13/2012 5:21:45 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Finatic

Thank you for posting your experience, I would be very interested in hearing more also. Please ping me if you post more about it, thank you for sharing!


88 posted on 04/13/2012 6:39:52 PM PDT by ragmop
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To: Lazamataz

Are you saying the Lord wants to turn you into wine ?


89 posted on 04/13/2012 6:59:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

>>What if my worship of God includes instructing others?<<
Instruction of what YOU do is a whole lot different than telling someone they are wrong. So if you are spreading the good news of your faith, I commend you.

>>Aren’t you instructing me?<<
Nope. Perhaps you missed the words, “I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m not going to let....”
I was speaking of what I do. It’s called an opinion and everyone has one.


90 posted on 04/13/2012 7:29:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: guitarplayer1953
"God did not save us so we could hide in monasteries"

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Did you read about the nun who prayed thirteen years for him? She lives in a convent. Just Amazing.

91 posted on 04/13/2012 7:33:34 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace
None of the original 12 and 72 hid out in a monastery they went in to all the world and preached the gospel.
92 posted on 04/13/2012 7:59:50 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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To: tsowellfan
I had something similar happen to me on the day my oldest brother died. He had been taken ill the night before, while on a business trip in N. MS, and was in the hospital for observation. His wife had gotten a call from him, after ne was admitted, asking her to drive up to get him, so that next morning, she, and their d-i-l were on the way to pick him up. I live 1500 miles away, so I didn't know he was in the hospital.

I was woken up by the phone, and heard my brother George's happy voice saying "Hey, baby, I just wanted to let you know that Mama is all right". Then he hung up. I thought it was strange that my brother would be calling to tell me this, because Mama had died almost two years to the day before I had this dream.

I woke up then, for real, and realized it had been a dream. We didn't even have a phone in our bedroom. I went downstairs, and half an hour later, got a call from my older sister telling me that George had died a half an hour earlier, of a massive heart attack. He had 'called' me to let me know Mama was OK, and he knew that, because he was WITH her, at that point.

Even in our sadness at his sudden death, the knowledge that Mama was all right was a blessing to all of us, because we knew that Mama had been in respiratory distress at the time of her death, and we'd always worried about that. In our hearts we knew that she was in Jesus's loving arms, and in no more pain, but it gave us peace to hear that she was all right.

93 posted on 04/13/2012 9:04:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
That's interesting! It was almost as if my cousin hung up too after he said "Guess what, Michael just died". There was nothing more. Silence.

The strange part is Michael is my brother. That part I did not understand. I mean, I never dream about anybody dying. Nothing about death and suddenly this dream about my cousin (who just died only minutes ago and without me knowing)called me in a dream to tell me my brother just died.

I told my brother about it and he told me maybe I misunderstood and he was really saying "Tell Micheal I just died".

Either way it was really freaky.

94 posted on 04/13/2012 9:21:37 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: NYer
“Being cynical gives you a false and inflated sense of superiority,” he says. “You can look down on all the ignorant fools who go to church and believe in religion.

“The sad part of it is we conveyed those attitudes to our students. Many students came from homes where faith was valued. After a few short years in university they had nothing but contempt for faith. I think it was a horrible thing that we did.”

Isn't that as equally the fault of the students? Long held beliefs discarded in "a few short years"?

95 posted on 04/13/2012 9:26:13 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless.)
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To: tsowellfan

Back in the 60s I had a 30 year old friend who was hospitalized for something minor.

One morning my phone rang about 8:30 in the morning. As I was walking to the phone I said,”Barb is dead”.

She was.

Weird.


96 posted on 04/13/2012 9:27:54 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: guitarplayer1953
There is so much stereotypes in your statement.They(Monks) are part of the community and lead retreats and pray for others.

Did you not see the other complete story on this thread about the nun who prayed for thirteen years for Howard Storm. It is on page 65 of his own book. Descent into Death. Do not underestimate any Christian who prays for others.

You are trying to prove some nonsense about monasteries from this story? Amazing.

97 posted on 04/13/2012 9:36:47 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey Laz - you DO suck. Just like me. But God loves us, and hence he hasn’t squashed us. Yet?


98 posted on 04/13/2012 9:37:41 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Lazamataz

Oh my, Laz, do you need some homemade oatmeal cookies again? I promise to send just the right ones. You prefer the chewy ones, right? Not the crisp ones?


99 posted on 04/13/2012 10:00:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: johngrace
So a nun prays for 12 years great but no where in the bible are we told to shut ourselves off from society we are call to take the Gospel into all the world.
100 posted on 04/13/2012 10:29:03 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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