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Thousands Witness 'Holy Fire' Miracle in Jerusalem
The Christian Post ^ | 4/15/12 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 04/15/2012 7:50:59 PM PDT by marshmallow

Thousands of Christians from around the world gathered in Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulcher Saturday to witness a flame that is believed to emerge miraculously from the tomb of Jesus a day before Easter, according the older Julian calendar, each year.

The special ceremony at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built at a site where Jesus was crucified and buried, was attended by Christian pilgrims and clerics wearing their robes amid the presence of Israeli police, riot-prevention forces and border security guards.

"I am here because I would like to see the Easter Week from the Holy Land, because I think it is a very unique experience," The Associated Press quoted Nerea Craditotto, a Spanish pilgrim, as saying. Eastern Orthodox churches and others will celebrate Easter on Sunday.

The Christians and clergy standing close to the tomb area lit their candles first and then passed on the flames to others queuing in alleys outside the ancient church. The Holy Fire is revered by many as the power of Resurrection of Jesus and the fire of the Burning Bush of Mount Sinai as mentioned in the Old Testament.

Orthodox Christians say the Holy Fire miracle occurs every year on the day before their Easter. The miracle has been documented each year for over 1,000 years. Christians in many countries, including Georgia, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Belarus, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Lebanon and Egypt, watch the ceremony live on television each year. After the ceremony, the Holy Fire is brought to some of these countries.

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1 posted on 04/15/2012 7:51:06 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Signs? Wonders? I wonder what our Lord thinks about people who need signs and wonders? What is the need for FAITH if you go by signs and wonders?

Ever read these verses?

Matthew 16:4

A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away

2 Thessalonians 2:9

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,


2 posted on 04/15/2012 8:15:31 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

I’ll see your Matthew and raise you John. Have a Blessed week!

Jn 20:19-31
On the evening of that first day of the week,when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger into the nailmarks and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe.” Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of his disciples that are not written in this book. But these are written that you may come to believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name.


3 posted on 04/15/2012 8:36:58 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: BereanBrain
Agreed. Especially signs and wonders that could be created with a can of starter fluid and a match.
4 posted on 04/15/2012 8:42:22 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan
Wahtever. Given the hostile surroundings of moslem raghead pagans, it is a miracle that there was a gathering at all.
5 posted on 04/15/2012 8:53:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

You’ve got a point. Sometimes it’s best to just be thankful for small blessings.


6 posted on 04/15/2012 9:03:50 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: BereanBrain

So... we will know the end is near when there are a bunch of fakirs holding up “THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR” signs?


7 posted on 04/15/2012 9:07:04 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: CrazyIvan

The place is searched for anything that Can ignite a fire before
e they entered the Holy Sepulcer


8 posted on 04/15/2012 9:47:24 PM PDT by peter the great
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To: Jaded

Your quote of signs was Jesus performing miracles, and was in the past.

Now let’s look what is coming in the future.

Matthew 24:24

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.


So you are warned NOT to put stock in seeming miracles and signs.


9 posted on 04/15/2012 9:50:06 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
Draws a good tourist crowd...ongoing for centuries (they say)...just so happens in a noted "holy" site regarded by millions...a little bit too much hype to really be from God. Sorry, our God doesn't need hype or gimmicks to show Himself strong and ever-present. My guess is there's someone hiding with a Zippo or a Bic and the monks are all in on it. As if God needs the show!
10 posted on 04/15/2012 10:58:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: BereanBrain

Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”


11 posted on 04/15/2012 11:05:03 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: BereanBrain
After she had freed him from the Spirit of the Age, John was frustrated that Reason would not tell him whether or not his island was a real place:

'Well, you would not assure me that it was anything real'

'Nor that it was not.'

'But I must think that it is one or the other.'

'By my father's soul you must not--until you have some evidence. Can you not remain in doubt?'

'I don't know that I have ever tried.'

'You must learn to, if you are to come far with me. It is not hard to do it. In Eschrpolis, indeed, it is impossible, for the people who live there have to give an opinion once a week or once a day, or else Mr. Mammon would soon cut off their food. But out here in the country you can walk all day and all the next day with an unanswered question in your head: you need never speak until you have made up your mind.'

--bold parts from Pilgrims Regress by CS Lewis

12 posted on 04/16/2012 12:40:13 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: marshmallow

So, was there a fire? This “article” doesn’t say.


13 posted on 04/16/2012 6:35:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: BereanBrain
Signs? Wonders? I wonder what our Lord thinks about people who need signs and wonders? What is the need for FAITH if you go by signs and wonders? Ever read these verses?

If your understanding of Matt 13:4 and 2 Thes 2:9 is catagorically legitimate, why did Christ come performing signs and wonders?

14 posted on 04/16/2012 7:15:23 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: marshmallow

This has been happening for 1000 years? Have we heard of this before now?


15 posted on 04/16/2012 7:21:43 AM PDT by Ditter
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16 posted on 04/16/2012 8:33:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: BereanBrain

Hey, why don’t you go there next year and disprove it in front of the whole world?


17 posted on 04/18/2012 2:23:11 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

it’s not for me to prove/disapprove.

The point is, signs are NOT RELIABLE in the end days.

In fact, they never were.

Did not Pharoah’s magicians replicate the turning of rods into snakes?

The only way to judge (biblically) is by the fruit of person(s). Not signs.


18 posted on 04/18/2012 2:51:05 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: papertyger

You ask why Jesus came, performing signs and wonders?

Two reasons.

1) To glorify God. This is the reason most miracles take place today. When someone is healed, it’s to glorify God, not to benefit the particular person. It advances God’s kingdom, where he wants it advanced (like mission fields)

2) During Jesus time, so that scripture would be fulfilled, and unbelievers would be forced to decide just WHO is the Messiah? In particular, in Galilee, because Jesus was from Galilee, people would not believe someone from Galilee COULD be the Messiah, so Jesus preformed a sign to help them in their unbelief (see John 4:43-54). Note, we don’t have that excuse. (we are not next door neighbors of Jesus)

The enemy HAS USED, and WILL USE (there is scripture for both) signs to deceive.

Let me ask you then, why do you NEED a sign? Does a believer need a sign?
What is faith for then?


19 posted on 04/18/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain; papertyger
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." 1 Cor. 1:22-24.

The nation Israel has been blinded and set aside, since Acts 28. They required signs to believe. If they are blinded now by God until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, who are the signs actually for? During the tribulation, there will once again be signs, wonders, and miracles. There will also be a Nation called Israel, whose blindness has been lifted by God. When Israel is operational, signs will be also. Until then, we, the Church the Body of Christ, walk by FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT. (2 Cor. 5:7).

20 posted on 04/18/2012 4:20:53 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

I agree. Signs can deceive.

The Jews will not come to faith (in the last days) however, by a sign, rather they will “look on the one they pierced and mourn” (Zecahariah 12:10).

In the last days the anti-christ will pout out counterfeit signs and wonders (Mat 24:24).

Signs are not for believers. They are for unbelievers. And signs can be counterfeit. (Exodus 7:10-12). Pharoh’s magicians counterfeited a sign of turning a rod into a snake. So it will be in the last days.

We already have all the signs we need, according to God.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

If you continue reading Romans 1, you will see that God says the entire creation testifies to his existence, and to good, and light. We are without excuse. If we just accept the truth, God will give us more.

The problem is NOT we don’t have a sign. It’s that our ways are wicked and we would prefer to continue on in our sins, rather than turn toward the light.
The “desire” for a sign is just an excuse to continue in our own ways.


21 posted on 04/19/2012 12:24:32 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: smvoice

I agree. Signs can deceive.

The Jews will not come to faith (in the last days) however, by a sign, rather they will “look on the one they pierced and mourn” (Zecahariah 12:10).

In the last days the anti-christ will pout out counterfeit signs and wonders (Mat 24:24).

Signs are not for believers. They are for unbelievers. And signs can be counterfeit. (Exodus 7:10-12). Pharoh’s magicians counterfeited a sign of turning a rod into a snake. So it will be in the last days.

We already have all the signs we need, according to God.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

If you continue reading Romans 1, you will see that God says the entire creation testifies to his existence, and to good, and light. We are without excuse. If we just accept the truth, God will give us more.

The problem is NOT we don’t have a sign. It’s that our ways are wicked and we would prefer to continue on in our sins, rather than turn toward the light.
The “desire” for a sign is just an excuse to continue in our own ways.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 12:25:00 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

Since you’ve raised the question, what are the fruits of the Holy Land Christians then?


23 posted on 04/19/2012 4:13:44 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

I must sound like a broken record.

The answer is in scripture.

Galatians 5:22

but the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.


24 posted on 04/19/2012 7:33:56 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
I asked: "Since you’ve raised the question, what are the fruits of the Holy Land Christians then?"

You answered: "but the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control."

Are you asserting that these ARE the fruits of the Holy Land Christians or are you asserting that these ARE NOT the fruits of the Holy Land Christians?

If it is the latter, you've made a mighty accusation against these Christian brothers. Can you support it?

25 posted on 04/22/2012 10:43:50 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

You can (or anybody else) call themselves a Christian. That does not mean you are one. The scripture is right. Christians are known by their fruit, their love for one another, and gradual progression toward Christ’s character.

If you doubt what I say, check out Matthew 7:21-23, then backup and read 7:1-21.

You strike me as someone trying to cause an issue, rather than find the truth.

It’s not ours to judge - it’s Jesus’s sole responsibility


26 posted on 04/22/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
Let me ask you then, why do you NEED a sign? Does a believer need a sign? What is faith for then?

Sometimes you are beaten down and struggling, and you begin to question "Why, Lord, Why?" Does it make one a "bad" Christian? Probably. I'm not the one to judge. But in my own experience, during a dark midnight of the soul, when I could not fathom the horror of living even one more minute, and begged my Savior for grace, the room was suddenly filled with the sweet and unmistakable fragrance of roses, occasioned by a palpable comforting of the soul and a lifting of the oppression - it was a sign, a miracle. And it made all the difference.

I am a crappy human being, and a poor excuse for one of God's children. But I believe I was blessed to be in the presence of the Holy Spirit.

It has never been easy to walk the straight and narrow. For me it is a daily struggle against my natural inclination to sin.

Sometimes I think God sees this, recognizes it, and throws us a crutch.

27 posted on 04/22/2012 3:30:12 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Sirius Lee

Don’t confuse Grace, and comfort with a miracle.

God does Comfort us. There is such a thing as spiritual warfare.

When we get caught in it, rely on God’s promises. There are PLENTY of them. Meditate over them. Remind you (by mentioning them to God), of his promises. God is good. We can’t understand the beginning from the end, but God know it. He knows what’s best for us.


28 posted on 04/22/2012 3:53:57 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

So you know nothing about the fruits of the Holy Land Christians but choose to judge them anyway?


29 posted on 04/24/2012 4:41:59 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: onedoug
So, was there a fire? This “article” doesn’t say.

I think they skipped over that little detail for a good reason.
30 posted on 04/24/2012 4:53:39 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: FormerLib

How is seeing a real miracle or being fooled by a fake one a “fruit”?

What bible do you read?

Benny Hinn’s?


31 posted on 04/24/2012 8:31:53 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

I see you are obsessed with finding the mote in the eyes of others.

Perhaps you should bother to read those initial chapters of Matthew 7.

If you believe it to be fake, go and prove it. Then you’ll be able to show the courage of your convictions.


32 posted on 04/24/2012 8:52:21 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

obsessed with finding a mote?

Nope. Just trying to remind folks that there ARE counterfeit signs and wonders and we have been warned about them time and time again in scriptures.

Christians should not be operating out of signs and wonders. Period.


33 posted on 04/24/2012 9:22:25 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

You claim it is counterfeit but you make this charge without anything to support you.

Bearing false witness is how Scripture describes that.


34 posted on 05/08/2012 5:11:24 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

If quoting scripture (from Christ’s teachings) about signs and miracles is considered to you as bearing false witness, then I am guilty.

What should we be doing? Looking for a sign and performing miracles, or helping the sick and poor? Let’s see what Jesus says about it.


Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


Matt 25:31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’



35 posted on 05/08/2012 10:09:04 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

What evidence do you have that they are not helping the sick and poor?

Again, you have nothing, nothing, nothing.

Just pure hatred for Christians who dare to challenge your own personal interpretations of Scripture.

You violate Scripture more than you quote it.


36 posted on 05/08/2012 5:28:23 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

A simple question:

If you KNOW where you are going, do you need a road sign?

Or is a sign required for those in doubt as to which is the right direction?

Has not God provided us with innumerable truths? The problem is not that we don’t have enough information for us to become and stay believers, the problem is that mankind (me included) love the dark. It is only by accepting God’s truth that we move toward the light. This is roughly a paraphrase of Romans 1:20 and forwards.

Further, as to the last days (which I believe we are in), we are FURTHER warned about lying signs and wonders

2 Thessolonians 9 say: The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.


So once again, it’s safe to be a believer, and dangerous to put one’s belief to the test through signs and wonders.

As to whether or not what happened(s) in Jerusalem is a true (or lying sign). is not the issue. What IS the issue — are we, or are we NOT told to trust in signs and wonders, especially in the last days?

Faith is the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN —— signs are seen.


37 posted on 05/08/2012 6:25:27 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

Who’s putting their faith through a test?

But thank you for showing that you have nothing to present but your own false witness against the Holy Land Christians.


38 posted on 05/13/2012 4:07:46 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

I think your should read a little on the background of the place where this is occurring, the various factions that control it, and their continued disagreements.

The early Christians were known for their love for one another, even to the point of dying for each other. They were not known for fistfights among various sects.


39 posted on 05/13/2012 10:17:43 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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