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To: vladimir998
My question was was no “dodge” and quite correct in its premise, that premise being no command or word of Christ authorized his disciples to suppress, persecute or murder anyone. And certainly not calls for “extermination” of and seizure of land of those deemed “heretical” by the Catholic church as well as punishment for those not acting on this order with sufficient alacrity. (Fourth Lateran Council 1215, Canon Three). Sounds like a Muslim “fatwa” or whatever it is they call it.

“The Church never murdered anyone, ever.”

And the Pharisees never did either, they simply had the secular authorities do their dirty work. Or as Saul did, stand by to hold the cloaks of those doing so.

Calling for the “extermination”, read murder, of those labeled “heretics” by the Catholic church is a violation of the integrity of the Scriptures and Gospel of Christ.

“So, where is your evidence of rewriting of history or “handwashing”? Got any?”

Going on to the hand washing....Simply read your own comments.

Overturning or upsetting the “social order”???

Remember who made a similar charge? I do.

Breaking up families? Isn't that Jesus said would happen as a result of his message being preached?

That basin must need some fresh water by now.

17 posted on 04/17/2012 9:11:51 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“My question was was no “dodge” and quite correct in its premise, that premise being no command or word of Christ authorized his disciples to suppress, persecute or murder anyone.”

I asked you for an error from the article. You provided none. Not one. Thus, you’re wrong in any case. Second, your premise is still wrong because you are conflating two different ideas as if your understanding of things was actual reality.

“And certainly not calls for “extermination” of and seizure of land of those deemed “heretical” by the Catholic church as well as punishment for those not acting on this order with sufficient alacrity.”

Those deemed as heretics BY THE STATE risked punishment BY THE STATE as well as the Church. That was the well known, long established, legally defined way of things and those who embraced heresy knew it.

“(Fourth Lateran Council 1215, Canon Three). Sounds like a Muslim “fatwa” or whatever it is they call it.”

No, it sounds like a society that believed in law and order dealing with people who were violent and subversive - and that’s exactly what was going on.

“And the Pharisees never did either, they simply had the secular authorities do their dirty work.”

No, the Pharisees actually tried to murder Jesus - but it was not His time yet. Matthew 12:14. You apparently are as unfamiliar with scripture as you seem to be with history.

“Or as Saul did, stand by to hold the cloaks of those doing so.”

Saul was participating in evil. Suppressing violent heretics was not evil.

“Calling for the “extermination”, read murder, of those labeled “heretics” by the Catholic church is a violation of the integrity of the Scriptures and Gospel of Christ.”

Extermination in Latin meant to throw the heretics out of the region (ex - term = out of bounds). Any Cassell’s Latin dictionary will define extermino as “to drive beyond the boundaries; hence lit[eral meaning], to drive out, expel, banish . . . transf[erred meaning] to put aside, remove.” It does not list “kill,” “exterminate,” as we would say today. But why let knowledge get in the way of an anti-Catholic bigot’s ignorance, right?

“Going on to the hand washing....Simply read your own comments.”

Truth, not handwashing. Those of us who actually post the truth rather than falsehoods - like what you posted - don’t need handwashing.

“Overturning or upsetting the “social order”??? Remember who made a similar charge? I do.”

Not a similar charge. Jesus is God. Heretics are not. Jewish denial of Christ was not holy. Christianity is.

“Breaking up families? Isn’t that Jesus said would happen as a result of his message being preached?”

Jesus is truth. Heresy isn’t.

“That basin must need some fresh water by now.”

You’re the only one handwashing. Remember, now, so far you have failed to note even ONE - not even ONE - error in the article, and you now have shown you don’t understand your own sources (i.e. the Fourth Lateran Council). Keep going. You represent anti-Catholicism so well.


18 posted on 04/17/2012 4:36:40 PM PDT by vladimir998
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