Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ukraine abortion ban proposal sparks topless feminist protest at cathedral
Life Site News ^ | April 17, 2012 | Hilary White

Posted on 04/18/2012 5:02:04 AM PDT by NYer

KIEV, April 17, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Feminists and pro-aborts in Ukraine have staged a topless protest against government plans to outlaw abortion in some circumstances. The protest comes as the country has been plunged into a debate over the abortion law, which allows abortion in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, while the country faces a looming demographic crisis with one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.

The feminist group ‘Femen’ angered Ukrainian Catholics by staging a protest in which a group of women exposed themselves after climbing to the top of the Cathedral of St. Sophia in the capital, stripping to the waist and hanging a sign saying, “Stop” from the bell tower while ringing the cathedral bells. Femen has protested several other issues in a similar manner, including Russian election fraud and human trafficking.

The Archbishop Evstratiy, head of the information department of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, told media that the protesters’ demand that the Church have nothing to do with politics is a throwback to Stalinist times.

“No doubt, this organization’s act repulses me,” he said. “At the same time, [I] understand that there are forces that want faith, religion, and church to be locked in temples, like they were under the Soviets, not to engage in any public activities, and not to offer any spiritual and moral values to society.”

The flap started in March when Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, gave a speech condemning the country’s abortion law, saying, “Over 20 years of independent Ukraine we have knowingly and willingly killed 40 million children.”

In the strongly worded speech, Archbishop Shevchuk said that children who survive are “the ones who accidentally avoided the lethal hand of their parents.”

Following the speech, and reportedly at the request of the Greek Catholic Church, Andriy Shkil, the leader of the nationalist party, Ukrainian National Assembly, brought forward draft legislation that proposes to outlaw abortion and to fine parents who do not produce children. The bill would allow abortions in cases where the child’s father is deceased, if the family has a history of genetic disability or in case of teenage pregnancies under 16.

Shkil said his bill, which is thought to be unlikely to pass, would boost the flagging Ukrainian birth rate; the population has fallen from 52 to 46 million in the last 12 years.

The speech and the bill have angered feminists and abortion industry lobbyists, who are now accusing Shkil of doing the bidding of the Church. They also accused Shevchuk of inflating the abortion rates, which the Health Ministry claims is falling since the high point of the 1990s. Officially the rate fell last year to 156,000 abortions versus 492,000 births.

But Church spokesmen have defended the archbishop’s claim, saying that official numbers are skewed by the failure to include abortions caused by drugs and artificial birth control pills. Around the world, abortion industry spokesmen have boasted that surgical methods of abortion are becoming obsolete with advent of drug regimens like RU-486 that are likely to nearly replace the former methods.

In an open letter, responding to Archbishop Shevchuk’s speech and to the bill, a consortium of feminist groups said the bishop was trying to blame Ukrainian women for the country’s current demographic crisis.

“This ban will not make women give birth to children they do not want to have,” the letter said. “It will give a strong impetus to illegal abortions, raising health risks … A ban on abortions will become a greater evil than abortion.”

“You appear to forget that women aren’t to be blamed for the current situation in Ukraine, which is best described as a demographic crisis. Our population is on a downward curve because of high death and emigration rates.”

The statistics, however, show that the overall fertility rate is a major contributor to the country’s demographic troubles, with 1.29 children born per woman, according to the most recent statistics. This puts Ukraine in the company of other “lowest-low” fertility rate nations like Taiwan and South Korea, where boosting the birth rate has become a high priority for governments.

Currently, abortion is legal in Ukraine on demand for any reason, including “social or economic reasons,” up to the 12th week of pregnancy, and to the 28th week with the endorsement of physicians.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: ukraine

1 posted on 04/18/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Cathedral of St. Sophia kiev
2 posted on 04/18/2012 5:03:40 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

This thread is worthless without, well, you know.


3 posted on 04/18/2012 5:06:53 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
I don't get it.
Botomless I could understand given specific anatomical focus at abortion mills, but topless?
What's topless got to do with abortion unless they're advertising their availability with the goal becoming pregnant so they can demand an abortion down the road?
4 posted on 04/18/2012 5:13:33 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite
This thread is worthless without, well, you know.

They are "feminists" for a reason. Be careful what you wish for...

5 posted on 04/18/2012 5:13:42 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NYer

who would have thought Ukrainians in Ukraine were this stupid. I would think they had more important issues to worry about.

Feminists should all be sent to an island.


6 posted on 04/18/2012 5:22:16 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
The problem in Ukraine is not abortion. Abortion is only a symptom.

The underlying problem is women not wanting children.

7 posted on 04/18/2012 5:25:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
These women are nothing but cowardly attention whores. When they decide to conduct their protests in the Muslim part of the world, where women are abused the most, then they will gain credibility.
8 posted on 04/18/2012 5:29:30 AM PDT by chopperman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Looks like it is getting restored in that picture.


9 posted on 04/18/2012 5:36:14 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Conservative Plans:
A. Get married
B. Have sex
C. Have children
D. Enjoy life

Leftist Plans:
A. Have sex
B. Kill fetus
C. Kill baby
D. Get government to doll out money for living babies


10 posted on 04/18/2012 5:36:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
The problem in Ukraine is not abortion. Abortion is only a symptom. The underlying problem is women not wanting children.

So true. They want the sex and are too stupid to take birth control measures and too selfish to have the baby once pregnant and give it up for adoption.
Russian population is declining horribly. You'd think the government would PAY married couples to have children, then FOLLOW THROUGH with Scandinavian-type perks like free public transportation for kids, breaks on housing, etc.

Russia is in a SAD, SAD state. It will take them several generations to get over the ravages of communism.

11 posted on 04/18/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

These women are human beings who have lost their common sense because they ignore God. They can be found in any place on the planet where there are human beings.

“It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense.” ...GK Chesterton


12 posted on 04/18/2012 5:40:53 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NYer

UNC-Asheville had a “topless feminist” protest soon after the school year began. My neighbors (whose daughter goes there) said the students were aghast and horrified. You just don’t want to see feminists topless, I deduce.

And what a lovely church. May God pour out grace on Ukraine, a nation at the point of no return, without a miraculous change of heart for millions.


13 posted on 04/18/2012 5:43:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 6 of the 17-Day Diet ... -6.8 lbs. from Day 0. (Please to excuse incoherent posts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Comment #14 Removed by Moderator

To: cloudmountain
I just don't understand the Ukrainians. Stalin tried to kill them all in the holodomor ("murder-famine") in which millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death; then Hitler tried to kill them all with his racial-terror-war polices; they survived all that, and now they're willingly killing their own kids??!

It is just too pathetic for words. The pro-abort feminists must be deathly sick in their minds. God bless the Churches (Catholic and Orthodox) for trying to save the little Uktainian children. They need prayers and help.

15 posted on 04/18/2012 6:03:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: John123
They are "feminists" for a reason. Be careful what you wish for...

Actually, the women of Femen are generally quite attractive. Except that their pics do not meet FR standards, there would be no objection to most of their images. Google/Bing "femen protest ukraine" and see if you disagree.

16 posted on 04/18/2012 6:05:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: NYer

The devil is busy everywhere. God bless those who oppose him, and God help his allies.


17 posted on 04/18/2012 6:09:20 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

18 posted on 04/18/2012 6:12:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. Don-o
I just don't understand the Ukrainians. Stalin tried to kill them all in the holodomor ("murder-famine") in which millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death; then Hitler tried to kill them all with his racial-terror-war polices; they survived all that, and now they're willingly killing their own kids??!
It is just too pathetic for words. The pro-abort feminists must be deathly sick in their minds. God bless the Churches (Catholic and Orthodox) for trying to save the little Uktainian children. They need prayers and help.

All too true.
My read is that we don't understand the Ukranians because we don't really know them. With all the blockage, so to speak, from all the media, here and there, who can figure anything out?
I know that the rest of the world can't POSSIBLY know much truth about US because of the layers of media interference. Traveling to places is the best thing so that THEY can see ME, as least, and know that some Americans aren't ALL like the media demonizing.

My read is that MOST Ukranians WANT their babies, keep them and are good Christians...and that most of this crap is media hype. I recognize the language of hype.

19 posted on 04/18/2012 6:16:54 AM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita
“It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense.” ...GK Chesterton

Great quote.

20 posted on 04/18/2012 6:18:50 AM PDT by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita

It’s worse than that.
Russians wanted to kill off Ukrainians. Now the Ukrainians are doing it to themselves. Instead of multiplying, building an army, they are self destructing.

How stupid can one be?

Women are supposed to be the nurturers yet they’re the killers. Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid. Oh, wait, these female impersonators do not want to marry.

Yup, you’re right. They left God behind.

Then these women come to America and poison the Ukrainians here. Oh and they vote for obama.

Ukrainian women are stupid.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

Are these Ukrainian women stupid?

http://stamforddio.org/images%202/Antonia-2.gif

Be careful of generalizing. ;-)


22 posted on 04/18/2012 6:31:56 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1
Actually, the women of Femen are generally quite attractive. Except that their pics do not meet FR standards, there would be no objection to most of their images. Google/Bing "femen protest ukraine" and see if you disagree.

It's as if some leftist front hired models to do these protests. It seems like the same three or four girls are in all the photos from various events. They're not at all like American feminist protestors. Not by a long shot.

23 posted on 04/18/2012 6:38:21 AM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita

What proof do you have that they are Ukrainians?
Just because they wear a uniform does not make them smart.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 6:42:23 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

> Ukrainian women are stupid.

Yes, they are, however.

“Ukraine women are ‘most beautiful women in the world,’” says Vice President Joe Biden, July 22, 2009.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 6:45:24 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: chopperman

If those Russian women are like the apocryphal ‘babushka’, they can supposedly bench press a T-72 turret.

PS Some, allegedly, can do it with the main tube still in.

;-)


26 posted on 04/18/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita

Good grief, that photo is in USA not Russia.
Don’t mix apples with oranges.
If they’re so smart, then what are those women doing to stop what is going on in Ukraine? What?

I still stand on my statement that Ukrainian women are stupid.


27 posted on 04/18/2012 6:52:57 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: BuffaloJack

LOL, a distant cousin of mine works as a translator. She has worked with Biden. She thinks he’s great.

I rest my case.

stupid stupid stupid.


28 posted on 04/18/2012 6:57:38 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop
Truly, women should submit to their husbands because they are too stupid.

I really hope this is sarcasm. No woman, lib or conservative should submit to their husband. They should be equals.

29 posted on 04/18/2012 7:07:09 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

I still stand on my statement that Ukrainian women are stupid.

_______________________________

Generalizing is not logical.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/sweeping-generalisation

PS Check the origin of the photo. Yes, they are in the USA...but they are Ukrainian. There are other good and intelligent nuns and other women in the Ukraine.

Would you assume the women in this photo are stupid? http://ucu.edu.ua/eng


30 posted on 04/18/2012 7:11:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

Out of curiosity, is English your native language?


31 posted on 04/18/2012 7:15:35 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Pollster1

Pretty bodies, yes. But angry is ugly no matter how nice the packaging.


32 posted on 04/18/2012 7:22:53 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita

first of all, it’s “Ukraine”, not “the Ukraine”.

I must have missed it in the article where it says that nuns will be baring their breasts at St Sophia.

The “old time” Ukrainians in the USA are bowing down to the “new” Ukrainians. Open your eyes. Ask them who they voted for. I know professors who voted for obama. They’re professors, they should be smart. Ukrainians have short term memory. They forgot what they have been through.


33 posted on 04/18/2012 7:27:12 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: SumProVita

is there something wrong with my grammar?


34 posted on 04/18/2012 7:29:46 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

35 posted on 04/18/2012 7:33:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop

You miss the point: Generalizing is NOT logical.

“first (sic) of all, it’s “Ukraine”, not “the Ukraine”.”

I accept this and thank you for sharing it. However, I wrote it with the definite article as an *exception to the rule* per http://www.infoukes.com/faq/the_ukraine .

With USA...we use the definite article (the USA).

Remember now that generalizing is NOT logical.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 7:46:50 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: cloudmountain
My read is that MOST Ukranians WANT their babies, keep them and are good Christians

Unfortunately, the statistics do not support that contention. Ukraine's birthrate is in the running for lowest-lowest on earth, in the 1.2 range.

This is a list of reports about Ukraine on Human Life International's website. Look at Item 9 in particular; the URL was too long to copy. (I don't know why it didn't hotlink, either.)

http://www.hli.org/index.php/component/search/?searchword=Ukraine&ordering=&searchphrase=all

37 posted on 04/18/2012 10:13:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 6 of the 17-Day Diet ... -6.8 lbs. from Day 0. (Please to excuse incoherent posts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Tax-chick
I think you are underestimating the Ukraine. It has been a country under pressure since the Mongol invasions destroyed Kievan Rus. From that point on it has been a battleground between Poland and Muscowy.

The country is still a battleground -- all of Eastern Ukraine east of the Dnieper is basically Russian speaking only and the west is more the Ukrainian dialects

There is still hope for the country as I have met a few who are converts to Christianity and fervent believers

38 posted on 04/20/2012 12:28:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: cloudmountain; Mrs. Don-o

CM — your hopes are mostly true. The drop in population in the Ukraine is due to immigration largely as Ukraine is very, very poor. These topless protesters get in the news as they are quite pretty and, well, topless...


39 posted on 04/20/2012 12:30:18 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: 1_Rain_Drop; SumProVita
"Russians" didn't want to kill off the Ukrainians. Remember that Ukraine is "Little Russia" as compared to Muscowy ("Big Russia") -- Ukraine is the cradle of eastern Slavdom. This was shattered by the Mongol invasion in the 13th century.

Muscowy, which was then just a minor tributary of one of the Kievan Rus cities (Vladimir-Suz.. was the name of the parent city), but it rose to power with its Grand-Duke who moved the capital of Vladimir there and also became the Great Khan's tax-collector.

Over the century they gathered more power and then challenged the Horde and threw them out. Then they assimilated the Khanates of Kazan etc. Arguably the Moscowites took in the culture and mores of the Mongols and their government was Mongol horde based.

At the same time to the West, Poland was rising to power -- and Poland resisted the Germanizing embrace and influence (very powerful considerign that the Germanics were civilization in the west since the 6th century) unlike the Czechs. Poland vigorously defined itself as Slavic and also Western (hence Polish adopted many Latin loan words) and it was (and IS) a raucous democracy (yes, even when they had kings, they were elected -- note: this vibrant democracy was one of the main reasons for Poland's weakness in the 1700s and it's partition in 1770-1795)

These two utterly contrasting forms competed in the middle-land of Ruthenia (what is now Belarus and Western Ukraine). Ruthenia, after the Mongols, was absorbed by the Lithuanian Grand-Duchy, a pagan state. It was Ruthenian (Old Byelorussian) speaking and had Lithuanian overlords. In the 1400s they had a dynastic union between the Duke Jagiellon (Jagiełło in Polish) of Lithuania and the Polish Queen (after Jagiellon was christened of course!) and this led to the creation of the powerful Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth which was the second largest state in Europe until the 1700s. This was the Land of the Four Nations (Poles, Lithuanians, Ruthenians, Jews)

in the 1500s the Grand Dukes of Muscowy positioned themselves as champions of Orthodoxy. At the same time the reformation happened. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was religiously tolerant until the Swedes invaded. The Swedish invasion is called the deluge. At this time the Calvinist Swedes swept across the country, conquering and destroying. At the same time, Muscowy invaded, and a Muscowy posing as champion of hte Orthodox.

The Poles fought back, but the distrust of non-Catholics was set in. The Polish Lords (who were also heavily ethnically mixed - Lithuanians and Belarussians but polonized in language) did not listen enough to their Ruthenian subjects and slowly discontent spread -- coupled with the Turkish invasions of southern Ukraine.

"U Kriana" means border lands and this is what they were -- borderlands and fought over. The internal fighting force was the Cossacks who defined themselves as strongly Orthodox, fighting against the Moslem Turks. But this was turned agains the Poles as well (too much to go into, suffice to say mistake made on BOTH sides)

Muscowy stepped in and drew the ukraine into its embrace.

The Khelminitsky Cossacks initially welcomed this, but in hindsight this was slapping your friend (The commonwealth) and befriending a dangerous bear (Muscowy). Ukraine never had a chance.

This was only exacerbated in the late 1800s with nationalism and forced Russification (NOTE: at the same time there was forced Anglicisation, Germanization, Francification etc., not an isolated phenomenom), Belarussian and Ukrainian nationalism was nipped in the bud.

Then they were the hardest hit by Stalinism.

40 posted on 04/20/2012 1:49:20 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
There is still hope for the country ...

Of course, and I certainly wish them the best. We have Ukrainian families in my neighborhood, including an evangelical Protestant clan with ten children.

I was just reading a magazine article which showed a picture of the Virgin Mary formed of pysanky eggs in the cathedral that's shown in this thread!

41 posted on 04/20/2012 4:14:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 7 of the 17-Day Diet ... -7.6 lbs. from Day 0. (Please to excuse incoherent posts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson