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Why do Catholics leave, and what can be done about it?
cna ^ | April 19, 2012 | Father Robert Barron

Posted on 04/19/2012 11:58:25 AM PDT by NYer

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To: RnMomof7
The Catholics that I know left because of the false doctrine of Rome.

Specifically?

41 posted on 04/19/2012 1:21:46 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: netmilsmom
Sometimes, they know why you left and are glad you’re gone.

: - )

You're right. While still a parishioner, I challenged him on liturgical abuse, and won. He probably did a liturgical dance the Sunday after I left.

42 posted on 04/19/2012 1:25:26 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: MomwithHope
No one has yet posted what I believe is at the root of anyone leaving - no longer believing in the Real Presence.

Jesus said it was so, what's not to believe?

43 posted on 04/19/2012 1:30:21 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: netmilsmom

We’ve got a not-insignificant number of ex-Catholics in our (rather large) Baptist Congregation. I’m sure there are some Catholic Churches filled with disgruntled ex-Baptists somewhere.

Find the truth. Find Salvation. Find Christ. Doesn’t matter much to me how you get to Him.

SnakeDoc


44 posted on 04/19/2012 1:31:49 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: netmilsmom; RnMomof7; USS Alaska
"Cause let me tell you, if your interpretation of Christianity is rudeness or inconsideration, you’re doing it very well."

Let me tell you what I told an equally smug anti-Catholic earlier today:

I sincerely hope that you continue to proclaim the Gospel with all of your fervor and zeal. I only ask that you consider the cautions given us in Scripture and Tradition to do so with love, gentleness and respect, not rancor, disdain and arrogance. When we evangelize it is not we who convert hearts, it is the Holy Spirit. But our actions can assist or impede the process. In doing this it is our actions and our perceived motives that first come into play. We can only open minds, open eyes, and open hearts by gently preparing the way.

From the Cross Jesus taught us that ignorance can affect the imputability and responsibility for sin and even absolve sin when He said; "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Whenever any of our words or actions causes anyone to recoil in anger, hatred or fear from the Word of God we take on a shared responsibility for their sin because, as Christians, we know better. I pray that you remember this when declaring your own Salvation.

May the Peace and Blessings of Jesus be upon you.

45 posted on 04/19/2012 1:37:45 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: miss marmelstein

“I’ll work myself back one day”

The work has already been done...just go back to HIM!...(no matter what religious persuasion, Catholic or Protestant, that holds the truth for you.)

You don’t have to look beyond the Bride to the “sellers of oil”; she’ll have what you need to prepare for the coming of the groom and the celebration of the wedding to come! For the Bride has the responsibility to see to it that her maidens, attendants, and guests have what they need in order to take part in the marriage supper of the Lamb! Don’t be caught outside and unable to get back in!


46 posted on 04/19/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: NYer
Jesus said it [the real Presence] was so, what's not to believe?

Some people know the Scriptures better than Jesus does.

Just ask them ... they'll tell you all about it.

47 posted on 04/19/2012 1:41:57 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

>>He probably did a liturgical dance the Sunday after I left. <<

LOL!!!!


48 posted on 04/19/2012 1:44:39 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: NYer
Here's an interesting link where former Catholics tell why they left. Being an ex-Catholic and having gone to parochial school through the 12th grade, I have to agree with them.

Catholics Come Home Commercial
49 posted on 04/19/2012 1:45:07 PM PDT by crosshairs (As long as there is evil, "Coexist" is impossible.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Amen!


50 posted on 04/19/2012 1:46:18 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Natural Law

Oh that makes me happy!


51 posted on 04/19/2012 1:47:24 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: mdmathis6
Thank you for your kind words, but when I go back, I go back as a total Papist, lol! It's the most beautiful, the most intellectual of the Christian faiths. It is very much an aesthetic with me, as well as a faith.
52 posted on 04/19/2012 1:56:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7; netmilsmom; USS Alaska

“Whenever any of our words or actions causes anyone to recoil in anger, hatred or fear from the Word of God we take on a shared responsibility for their sin because, as Christians, we know better. I pray that you remember this when declaring your own Salvation.”

Simply speaking the truth of Jesus causes many to react out of anger for their darkness does not like the light. So while your words are wise as far as they go; sometimes the person speaking the truth, no matter how softly and gently he speaks them or as boldly forthright as in the case of Paul, that person is going to be accused of being angry, out of touch, worthy to be a censured and killed enemy. So we must be cautious as Christians in the censuring of one another in the speaking of truth...the world itself will always be offended by us; but Christians must remain in control at least in the offending of one another! Remember scripture:John 13:34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Forget about Protestant and Catholic “ideas’ about what “church” is...the days are darkening and Christians in all churches everywhere...Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish Messianic are about to have imposed on them what Christ’s idea of what his church should be...persecution may make of all of us very strange bedfellows. Some of the posters on this thread are right...we are all of us going to be very surprised as to what Christ really considers his TRUE church to be! Our minds would be blown away if we could really understand what Christ intends for us; our imaginations could never conceive what is coming!


53 posted on 04/19/2012 2:20:47 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7; netmilsmom; USS Alaska

“Whenever any of our words or actions causes anyone to recoil in anger, hatred or fear from the Word of God we take on a shared responsibility for their sin because, as Christians, we know better. I pray that you remember this when declaring your own Salvation.”

Simply speaking the truth of Jesus causes many to react out of anger for their darkness does not like the light. So while your words are wise as far as they go; sometimes the person speaking the truth, no matter how softly and gently he speaks them or as boldly forthright as in the case of Paul, that person is going to be accused of being angry, out of touch, worthy to be a censured and killed enemy. So we must be cautious as Christians in the censuring of one another in the speaking of truth...the world itself will always be offended by us; but Christians must remain in control at least in the offending of one another! Remember scripture:John 13:34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Forget about Protestant and Catholic “ideas’ about what “church” is...the days are darkening and Christians in all churches everywhere...Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish Messianic are about to have imposed on them what Christ’s idea of what his church should be...persecution may make of all of us very strange bedfellows. Some of the posters on this thread are right...we are all of us going to be very surprised as to what Christ really considers his TRUE church to be! Our minds would be blown away if we could really understand what Christ intends for us; our imaginations could never conceive what is coming!


54 posted on 04/19/2012 2:20:55 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Christ says he’ll leave “90 and 9 to search for his one lost sheep”...you’ll be in his fold, no matter what temporary ‘pen’ you end up in!


55 posted on 04/19/2012 2:23:55 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: NYer

I hear you but I have read almost 70% of Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence.


56 posted on 04/19/2012 2:24:03 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Some people know the Scriptures better than Jesus does.”

That’s the best, funniest line I’ve read in a long time.

(Back to cleaning computer screen)


57 posted on 04/19/2012 2:25:13 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: NYer; Salvation; Tax-chick; Chode

“Many of the respondents commented that, after they left the church, no one from the parish contacted them or reached out to them in any way. “

That is understandable. Makes a person feel unwanted. Was one of 100 reasons I left the Baptist church. Not saying this to bash Baptist FReepers, just merely pointing out it can happen in any church.

“Do unto others......”


58 posted on 04/19/2012 2:25:49 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: RnMomof7

Obama is attacking the Catholic Church in America, no other church. You should stop to think about that. Satan knows the right address. He knows there is only one church he needs needs to worry about. He doesn’t need to worry about the people that left that church. He’s got them already.


59 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:42 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: MomwithHope
I hear you but I have read almost 70% of Catholics no longer believe in the Real Presence.

So their opinion affected your belief rather than the words of our Savior?

60 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:49 PM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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