Skip to comments.Vatican Crackdown on U.S. Nuns a Long Time Brewing
Posted on 04/20/2012 7:40:01 PM PDT by marshmallow
(Reuters) - When Pope John Paul II arrived in the United States in 1979, the president of the nation's most powerful organization of nuns met him with a challenge. In a bold welcoming address, Sister Theresa Kane called on the pope to include women "in all ministries of our church," including the priesthood. The pope sat silent, his expression stony.
That moment did not change Vatican policy.
But it unveiled growing tensions between the Vatican and American nuns. The conflict would continue to mount for the next three decades, until this week the Vatican finally moved to reassert control over the aging but still ferociously independent conference of Catholic sisters.
In a stinging "doctrinal assessment," the Vatican accused the Leadership Conference of Women Religious - an umbrella group representing most American nuns - of numerous grave breaches of doctrine and decorum.
The report, four years in the making, found that the nuns promoted political views at odds with those expressed by U.S. Roman Catholic bishops, "who are the church's authentic teachers of faith and morals." The Vatican chastised the nuns for airing discussions about the ordination of women, the church patriarchy and ministry to gay people.
The Vatican also rebuked the nuns for spending too much time "promoting issues of social justice" while failing to speak out often enough about "issues of crucial importance to the life of the church and society," such as abortion and gay marriage.
Determined to cleanse the sisterhood of "radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith," the Vatican appointed Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle to effectively take control of the Leadership Conference, rewriting its statutes, supervising its meetings, and investigating its relationships with politically active groups.
Officials of the nuns' leadership conference said they were "stunned" by the crackdown. But Catholics who have........
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As a Catholic woman, I can’t imagine much that would be worse than having a woman priest.
The Church should whack them harshly. And the author should be more careful about using 'brew' in titles.
I do love me some Trappist Ales. And have paid a premium for real ones. I hope that money went to good causes.
So, I was right being suspicious of “nuns” who don’t dress like it.
I’m assuming you feel the same way about a pedophile Priest?
So when does the Fluke girl decide she wants to be a nun?
As a protestant, I find it unbiblical to have a female preacher/pastor.
Conservative Catholic women who believe what the church teaches dont want to be priestesses. At least a few would be on FR. If there are conservative folks calling themselves real Catholics on FR who think the seat of Peter has been vacant for 40+ years, then we would have plenty of conservative Catholis women who want to be priestesses on FR if they were around.
Why do you think the Trappists make such good ale?
They have to pray and concentrate on something.
I agree. It's pretty clear.
Women cannot be priests, but they can be saints. And some women saints have changed the world.
One thing for sure: Sister Theresa Kane and her ilk have changed the world only in the sense that they have pulled the rug out from under the orders of nuns that they “lead,” and thus caused immeasurable harm to the souls that those nuns should have been helping to guide in the right ways.
It is good that the Church finally intends to do something about this sad situation, although it certainly isn’t going to be easy. The dissident nuns will resist, kicking and screaming, every inch of the way, if the past several decades are any indication. Maybe the threat of being expelled from their orders may do some good. One can always hope.
Just like the church should have cut off the pedophiles as they were found, they should have tossed the feminazis as they bloomed. Seems they wait until they have a major mess on their hands before they address the problem.
I’m OK with it but I am wondering when they are going to crack down on Father Pfleger and his social justice crapola. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Which also no doubt explains your...usually, for the most part...erudite, and witty posts and comments..
***The Vatican also rebuked the nuns for spending too much time “promoting issues of social justice” while failing to speak out often enough about “issues of crucial importance to the life of the church and society,” such as abortion and gay marriage.***
Look for them to go running crying and screaming to their allies in the media.
You could not be more wrong.
Socialism is a coercive system in which a small group forcibly control the possessions and personal freedom of the vast majority of their fellow countrymen. Under socialism an individual has little or no freedom and is controlled by the small group in power. The possessions of the individual are taken by the elites and the people live in fear of the government. An individual is considered worthless and without rights. His only value is what the elites can take from him.
Christianity is a community of voluntary sharing and assistance to all members. Everyone is free to stay or leave and contribute as much as they choose. Every individual is considered to be precious in the eyes of God and worthy of love and respect.
I'll read that as "When he's lucid, he's not bad" ;)
Next up, “Catholic” Universities.
And as I recall, the socialist organizations build walls to keep people in or killed them if they didn't toe the line.
Why do they even bother? It’s a free country, let them join another club. Or start their own. Why do they have to insist on being Catholics when they’re obviously not?
I think you are trying to compare apples and oranges.
I know of no one who condones pedophilia
I also catch a whiff of snarkiness in your post..
If you are going to align your organization with a religious institution, you should have to at least pretend to be in accordance with its values.
Only Leftist Feminists could be stunned by something that was coming at them for forty years.
What they mean by "stunned," however, is what a two-year old means when it screams itself purple with rage at the word: "No."
Well, not really. In Romans 16:7, Paul praises Junia as “outstanding among the apostles.” Junia was a Roman woman converted before Paul.
In Acts 18:25-26, we learn that Apollo was tutored in the Gospel by Aquila and Priscilla. It has been theorized, but not proven, that Priscilla was the actual author of the book of Hebrews. We know Paul wasn’t the writer.
We find in Philippians 4:2-3 that Paul talks about two women, Euodia and Syntyche, who evangelized alongside him.
In Romans 16:1-2 Paul mentions Phoebe, whom he calls a deacon of the church.
In Colossians 4:15, Paul says to greet Nympha and the church in her house (KJV translators changed this to “Nymphas and the church in his house”).
In Acts 16, we find Lydia, who had a church meeting in her home, and in Corinthians are converts “belonging to Chloe” as a group or church.
Nor is this limited to Pual. John writes to a woman leading a house church in 2 John 1:1, and alludes in the closing to another woman, the Elect Lady.
So, in the early church, women acted as teachers, leaders, and apostles.
Humility is not her strength
I was 11 at the time and I remember the press coverage of this event. In fact, I recall a photo of the late JPII resting his head in his hand with a "I'm so tired of this crap" expression on his face.
The sisters who taught me, jealous of their state in life, would've regarded this demand for female ordination as a knock against their sacred calling.
These women, these "mystical brides of Christ," need to be honest and declare whether they cannot or will not be faithful to their solemn vows.
Nuns are very strong. They can lift a 200 lb student right out of his chair and drag him the principal’s office by simply grabbing a few short hairs above the temple. Don’t ask me how I know being a child of the 60’s.
The reason is both biblical as well as practical. Men WILL NOT be involved in a church that is dominated by women. Without MEN there IS NO CHURCH. You can hold your breadth, stomp your feet, and cry all you want the Church doesn't acquiesce to extortion. They have ruled on this several times over the last 2,000 years.
The Vatican's doctrinal department, which the current pope then headed when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, ruled that the teaching on an exclusively male priesthood had been “set forth infallibly”, meaning it could not be changed. END OF STORY. Take it up with the Deity when you meet him! This is not a rant against you, I agree with your comment.
The sisters seem not to realize that the Pope doesn’t have the authority to change the doctrine of the Church on this point. Take it up with St Paul, ladies.
I’m just trying to figure out what level of pride and vanity makes them think they’re exceptions to 2000 years of doctrine.
Also, some verses you conveniently failed to include:
"Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
"Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence." 1 Timothy 2:11-12
no snark intended.
Exactly I believe he is among a group that every time a Catholic three comes up is compelled to do this even though we all know that there is much more pedophilia in the Protestant churches than there ever was in the Catholic church except that the media never went after them.....
Exactly I believe he is among a group that every time a Catholic thread comes up is compelled to do this even though we all know that there is much more pedophilia in the Protestant churches than there ever was in the Catholic church except that the media never went after them.....
“Convent” = “Lesbian Commune”
Didn’t conveniently fail to include them. They don’t signify.
Verse 35 can be translated two ways.
1. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home;
2. These wives do not understand, so their believing husbands should teach them at home.
In Verse 26, the word translated as brethren is really the Greek word adelfoi, meaning believers. The translator chose a masculine noun, but the verse applied to men and women. This is confirmed by verse 31, where Paul says all, again indicating that both men and women may prophesy “one by one.”
The “everyone” used earlier in vs. 26 shows converted women could continue to participate in an orderly manner. The unconverted wives were not permitted to speak. The passage is about order, as Paul says, in verse 40, Let all things be done decently and in order, not about suppressing womens participation.
In Timothy 2:11-12, the translators moved the Greek word “didaskein” (meaning “to teach”) completely out of verse 11, which originally read, “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection to teach. In plainer English, Let the women listen quietly and respectfully as they learn how to teach. The translators placed the period after “subjection” and moved “to teach” deep into the next verse. This completely changed the original meaning of these two verses.
Dont ask me how I know being a child of the 60s
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My particular ‘terrorist nuns’ had a penchant for ear pulling, and while no where near 200 lbs (more like 120) a twist and turn on an ear, accompanied by the familiar yardstick - and, of course, one of my favorites, getting to know Jesus on the Cross up close, by way of Sisters Cross around her neck.
By the time I got to PS in my Soph year (1954) I admittedly was way ahead of my peers scholastically but I had absolutely NO fear of the ‘state hired teachers’, and had the ‘boldness/attitude’ which really carried me through Boot Camp.
Just yank their mandate. It came form Rome in the first place in those heady days after Vatican II when nuns were allowed to have a more active role. Many of them got into the heads that they were updated version of Teresa of Avila, but they began to talk more like Emma Goldberg. They totally lost sight of the meaning of the Gospel, and turned to politics to achieve an earthly kingdom.
The nuns in the article obviously did not behave as you suggest.
My trapezius muscles can attest to the strength of a 75-year-old Sister of Providence.
I meant socialism in the sense that planning is centralized and everyones production is shared by the group as a whole. I was speaking in theory where everyone joins and participates voluntarily.
What you are describing is probably the reality where people are kept as virtual slaves or farm animals, working and producing for the benefit of the elites.
what would be worse than having a woman priest?
A wiminpriest type priest who supports abortion, euthanasia, same sex marriage, and teaches enneagrams and channeling spirits...
Translation: "QUIT BEIN' A ******* BUNCH OF LIBERAL LEFTIST *****!!!!!"
guess I’ve never come across one of them.........
guess I’ve never come across one of them.........
That's the first time I've ever heard a Protestant say that. I wonder if it's true for other Protestants. I'm a Catholic and go along with your Scriptural thinking.